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which on paper constitutes an upgrade.
Read my comment again. I am acknowledging the point (and therefore also agreeing with your earlier point).

So you are right. But it's not an upgrade from the 6s. Just the 6. But again, I don't think that was intentional as the upgrade was more aimed more directly at 5/5s/6c owners.
 
Read my comment again. I am acknowledging the point (and therefore also agreeing with your earlier point).

So you are right. But it's not an upgrade from the 6s. Just the 6. But again, I don't think that was intentional as the upgrade was more aimed more directly at 5/5s/6c owners.

Whether it is an upgrade or not based solely on form factor is subjective. Whether or not you like that is irrelevant.
 
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You are saying that my opinion is irrelevant to what you know or believe?

Got it.
Oh please stop with the superiority complex. By you're theory all 2 door vehicles are inferior the the 4 door version of the same car.. You sound foolish.
 
Oh please stop with the superiority complex. By you're theory all 2 door vehicles are inferior the the 4 door version of the same car.. You sound foolish.
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I never mentioned cars, although I do believe manual is superior to automatic. I have two cars that have four doors by the way. I have a family so it's necessary and I like both 2 door or 4 door cars equally.

In any case, I expressed an opinion and I was told it was irrelevant to what that person thinks. Or at least I perceived it that way.

I can't help what people think or believe about me but that won't stop me from expressing an opinion - foolish or not.

PS. You should hear the things my wife can tell you about my foolish thinking and actions. You'd be there a while. :D
 
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I never mentioned cars, although I do believe manual is superior to automatic. I have two cars that have four doors by the way. I have a family so it's necessary and I like both 2 door or 4 door cars equally.

In any case, I expressed an opinion and I was told it was irrelevant to what that person thinks. Or at least I perceived it that way.

I can't help what people think or believe about me but that won't stop me from expressing an opinion - foolish or not.

PS. You should hear the things my wife can tell you about my foolish thinking and actions. You'd be there a while. :D
Why are you dancing around the real point? Stop trying to impress people here with you're intelligence. I was using the cars as an analogy. You are saying a bigger phone is considered an upgrade, we are telling you that size is a preference just like a car. A 2 door car isn't worse than the 4 door version of the same care just cause of its size. Think before ranting you're intellectual BS in here.
 
I will buy the iPhone SE soon. I have a 4s so it will be an upgrade for me. Not really into the bigger screens of 6 6s and I like the feel of the smaller phones in the pocket. Some people think the SE is a step back for Apple, but thats okay, I think it looks great and it has powerful internals that will suit my everyday use.

Seriously though if Apple over haul their design of the phone in 2017 with the iPhone 8 or whatever it is then I may consider "upgrading" to a bigger phone. The SE price is attracting me and the fact it packs a punch processor and battery wise.
 
Why are you dancing around the real point? Stop trying to impress people here with you're intelligence. I was using the cars as an analogy. You are saying a bigger phone is considered an upgrade, we are telling you that size is a preference just like a car. A 2 door car isn't worse than the 4 door version of the same care just cause of its size. Think before ranting you're intellectual BS in here.
Maybe I am being misunderstood? Or not communicating my point correctly?

Because I am NOT saying that a bigger phone is an upgrade. I am basing an upgrade solely on specs. And based solely on specs the SE is an upgrade to the 5s/6. Size does not matter.

As an upgrade to the 5s though, the SE fills the void for those who wish to have the smaller form factor. I am not anti-SE if that is the perception out there. Far from it. I think it's great, as I have an iPhone 5.

Apple now provides a range of phones for those who like different form factors. But based on specs, the SE is not an upgrade to the iPhone 6s.
 
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Maybe I am being misunderstood? Or not communicating my point correctly?

Because I am NOT saying that a bigger phone is an upgrade. I am basing an upgrade solely on specs. And based solely on specs the SE is an upgrade to the 5s/6. Size does not matter.

As an upgrade to the 5s though, the SE fills the void for those who wish to have the smaller form factor. I am not anti-SE if that is the perception out there. Far from it. I think it's great, as I have an iPhone 5.

Apple now provides a range of phones for those who like different form factors. But based on specs, the SE is not an upgrade to the iPhone 6s.

I think people are overlooking the fact you said it was an upgrade from the 6. Originally you said it was an upgrade from the 5/5s/5c and people are not reading everything else you said.
 
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Get iPhone 6s instead buying this stupid thing
I already have a 6S Plus which I love. But I'm supplementing it with an SE which is perfect for my needs when my life is more active. I have no interest in the 6S at this time. Or ever if I stick with a two phone combo. It's just too small to be to me what the 6S Plus is and too big to be what the SE is. Perhaps I will consider an upgrade of that size if I ever decide to constrain myself to one smart phone again.
 
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Or it's for people who are sick of iPhone 6s/+'s dead pixels, dust under screens, yellow spots or inconsistent display backlight
 
So you decided to downgrade
No, it's a sidestep, really. And that's only when talking about 6S ---> SE. This person went from 6 ---> SE and the SE will have everything over the 6 other than screen size.

If they are on T-Mobile, first of all, they will GAIN LTE band 12. Which, depending on the area, will result in a night and day difference in terms of cell service. Also, double the RAM and a much faster chip would be another thing, it will be slightly zippier than the 6S and 6S Plus theoretically because of fewer pixels to push. I've used a 6S next to my 6 and they're *pretty* close but 6S definitely just feels quicker in about every way. Plus it doesn't refresh stuff much if at all where my 6 I have to be careful about how long I leave an app or it may be all gone when I return. Camera will be better than the 6 as well, with 4K video recording if that tickles their fancy. Nothing else to say, really. When talking about screen size, 6>SE. When talking about performance, features, and ease of use (handling the device) SE>6
 
I don’t care if my SE is a downgrade, upgrade, sidegrade or any other grades out there

It’s a powerful, little iPhone and I enjoy using it

There hasn’t been an iPhone that I haven’t liked, they are all great and get better each year.
 
Congrats on the new phone, OP. I did the same swap (sold my 6 separately and went with the SE) and have been nothing but happy with the change. There was a minor adjustment to get used to the smaller screen but I'm enjoying the more powerful processor and other goodies. I suspect that if I replace it down the road (maybe in a couple years?), it'll end up going to a family member that currently has a 5S. :)
 
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It's really pathetic that nobody can mention buying an iPhone SE without other people arguing that they "downgraded".

Grow up.

You'll see it all around this forum and the Internet. iPhone SE, men buying Rose Gold, etc. People use it to justify their own purchases. Don't know why they care so much how other people spend their money.
 
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But it's not the flagship iPhone...

When Apple sells you their SE they're not selling you their best iPhone

In an ideal world, Apple would sell everyone higher-capacity iPhone 6s Plus devices on a regular schedule. That's would certainly help out their profits, but people have different needs, budgets, and tastes. I think the answer for iPhones used to be easy—in the days of one-size, always get the newest when released so you'd have longer support, rather than buying a 1- or 2-year-old iPhone. With the 6/6 Plus, that changed a bit in that the 6 was still a go-to recommendation, but the 6 Plus was an added bonus for those who wanted an even larger phone or really really wanted optical image stabilization.

The 6s/6s Plus continued this method and was always the most powerful and utilizing Apple's latest technology (and manufacturing techniques). However, for someone to have gone from a 4, 4S, 5, 5S, 5c to a 6s/6s Plus (a "flagship" as what's thrown around) and then dislike the increase in size, the SE may be an upgrade for them. You still are on a current-generation device in most ways and saved some money and might have a more enjoyable experience. I have a coworker who really regrets the size of his iPhone 6s Plus and isn't very tech-savvy to the point of paying it off from the carrier, selling it online, or doing some other things like that. I think for him, something like the 6s or even the SE would still qualify as an "upgrade" regardless of the specifications being worse because it's a better experience for him.

The iPhone lineup is different now and the "best" iPhone has gone from a purely technological decision to a bit of tradeoffs, so finding the best iPhone is really finding the best iPhone for the person using it. At this point, I'd recommend anyone thinking of an iPhone with no context go play with the various sizes at the store and see what they get the best impression from. In fact, it's easier to suggest that people avoid the 6 and 6 Plus at this point since they're just the odd devices out (more expensive and less powerful than the SE and only a stone's throw in price from the 6s/6s Plus).

For me,
I didn't mind the form factor of the iPhone 6 (although there were a few awkward handling moments), but I also had some fond memories of my iPhone 5 and thought I'd give the SE a try. Additionally, I was motivated in that I could do it for not really any cost if I decided to keep it (sell my 6 for about what an SE costs or return the SE within the 14 days). I was not really in the market for a new phone and wanted to try to stretch my 6 a bit longer than prior two-year upgrade cycles, so Apple ended up with a sale that they probably wouldn't have gotten until maybe late next year. At its price-to-power ratio, the SE is a great choice for people who have all sorts of "good enough" prior-gen iPhones looking to get something with an A9 processor.

And that's where there seems to be so much controversy—in my case, the SE was an upgrade in that it has a better camera, CPU, GPU, more RAM, etc. The battery lasts longer than my 6 did and I have warranty coverage again. By those facts alone, that's an upgrade.
 
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