I have grown to HATE Lion...

[tkermit]

Am I the only one who has a habit of closing my apps, clearing browser cache & cookies, etc .. etc ... before shutting down or manually putting to sleep?

Sounds like a lot of wasted effort to me, to be honest. It would severely interrupt my workflow if I closed all my apps when I put my computer to sleep. And of course, the only time I shut down my computer at all is when the system forces me to do so. And then I rely on Resume to get me back to where I was before.

Lion has very poor stability.

That hasn't been my experience.

Snow Leopard works better for serious computing on larger monitors.

Can't say Lion is giving me any trouble on a 20" 1680x1050 Cinema display. Of course, maybe you don't consider that to be a "large monitor" or my computing isn't "serious" enough for you.

Lion is a mess. It's ok for people who do light computing for the rest is a total mess.

Speak for yourself please.

 

[Steve's Barber]

That hasn't been my experience.

Queue the obligatory "it works for me so the rest of you are all wrong" comment.

Speak for yourself please.

Isn't that implied in a forum?

 

[tkermit]

Queue the obligatory "it works for me so the rest of you are all wrong" comment.



Isn't that implied in a forum?

I think there's a difference between stating that "people will be unhappy with Lion" and "I am unhappy with Lion". I also don't see much justification for claiming that "Lion has very poor stability", but I am certainly wiling to believe that Lion is unstable on certain systems. Why would I doubt anyone's experience in that regard?

 

[caen1]

I also kind of dislike everything (especially the Exposé in Mission Control) except for the full screen apps. If it weren't for them, I would switch back to Snow Leopard right away.

 

[TPadden]

I think there's a difference between stating that "people will be unhappy with Lion" and "I am unhappy with Lion". I also don't see much justification for claiming that "Lion has very poor stability", but I am certainly wiling to believe that Lion is unstable on certain systems. Why would I doubt anyone's experience in that regard?

Ok; I am unhappy with Lion; for me (2010 MBA 1.6GHz 4Gb) it HAD vastly poorer stability then SL.

Thanks for believing in my experience ......

 

[tkermit]

I am unhappy with Lion

that's more like it.

 

[TPadden]

that's more like it.

.... I do love my Kermit chair though ....

 

[Taz Mangus]

Lion has very poor stability.

I have not had one kernel panic nor freeze up since upgrading all three of the Mac computers to Lion. I find Lion to be very stable. Yes, Lion has bugs which will be worked out. Every Mac OS X release has had its share of bugs so Lion having a few bugs is nothing new. I have encountered a few bugs which are annoying but not annoying enough that I want to revert back to using Snow Leopard.

People need to let Apple know directly (via the feedback link or a phone call) of the problems that they are having with Lion. I have no issue calling Apple and creating a case for a bug that I have found in Lion. I did this very same thing with Snow Leopard, Leopard, Tiger and Jaguar before that.

 

[Statelymwhite]

I upgraded my 2011 i7 3.4GHz iMac yesterday.

The only performance hit I've noted so far is it takes longer to go into and out of sleep mode. Not horrendously long, but it was lightning quick before.

Launchpad is fine, but it's really a glorified applications folder.

Mission Control seems just like Expose, it just looks different.

The gestures are fine, I guess, but don't seem that much different. I wish there was a gesture to make apps go full-screen.

Mail looks like iPad mail, which'll work, I guess.

I only have one Mac, so can't comment on AirDrop.

Other than the above, it seems remarkably the same as SL. In my opinion, this really could have just been a standard update. I'm not sure I'm getting even $30 of value, though I have no plans to downgrade. All-in-all, it's kind of "meh".

 

[Queen6]

My primary Mac is running 10.6.8 and the new Air is on 10.7.1 so far Lion has not presented a problem, come 10.7.2 the Air will replace the ageing MacBook Pro. Lion on the latest hardware will get it on, as long as you can adapt, on older architecture Lion may be problematic.

The new 2011 Air is good enough, once the next generation of Macbook Pro is released and designed for SSD from the ground up, I will rotate although I must say the MacBook Air 4.2 is no slouch by any means

Overall I like Lion, it`s working for me...

 

[Taz Mangus]

I'm not sure I'm getting even $30 of value, though I have no plans to downgrade. All-in-all, it's kind of "meh".

One of the things that aren't talked about a lot in regard to Lion, is how Apple greatly improved the security of Lion. Take a look at this article. I thnk the added security makes Lion worth the $30.

 

[ScottishCaptain]

YES. DO THIS. There are other things you can do to make Lion as light as SL is while still benefiting from the awesome new fullscreen apps, update to Quick Look, and the better features in Spotlight. Stick with Lion. Move forward!

OMFG.

So you guys are just "OK" with having to run retarded shell scripts just to fix the stupidities in what is otherwise a horrible OS release?

Please.

I, for one, am sick to death of having to deal with all these little Terminal.app hacks (despite being very proficient with the CLI) because Apple thought they knew better then me.

I should not need to spend 10 minutes installing SIMBL to get colour back in my Finder. I should not need to touch `defaults` for anything. And I should not need to install custom startup scripts just to clear out the left over cruft from last session.

-SC

 

[blackomega31]

Things that are wrong with lion

1) Login screen is ugly
2) Linin everywhere is ugly
3) new finder look is horrifing
4) Mission control is useless (bring back the old expose)
5) Launchpad - i wish i could delete it
6) fullscreen apps - they disable my second monitor (apple chose to do that, this is not a bug)
7) Screwing up gestures was a big mistake
8) Versions - should be a choice not decided for you and bring back save as
9) makes my macbook hot enough to fry an egg when im just using finder
10) why have they not killed dashboard (seriously who uses it)
11) they deleted front row
12) Resume it defaults to on all the time ( when i reboot i do not want to wait for all the apps to start again)

in conclusion. im glad apple gave me my money back for lion. its more like kitten

 

[tkermit]

bring back the old expose

Which one?

 

[OldCorpse]

10) why have they not killed dashboard (seriously who uses it)

I'm not on Lion (still on 10.6.8 and staying there until at least 10.7.5), but I use dashboard. I've used it ever since Tiger. I use it every single blessed day. It's crucial.

What I like about it: instant! I need to write a note - I hit dashboard and it's there INSTANTLY. No bouncing apps, no delay, no other clicking, nothing. Same with calendar - I need to check a date, or check some piece of info on a note, or use the calculator, or use the conversion app or check on the status of my UPS/FedEx/USPS mail package or ... thousands and thousands of actions. Seriously, I use it like 50 times a day, at least. AT LEAST.

Dashboard was a genius invention. And if you're on a powerful computer, you don't feel any penalty by it always running. The key is the instant nature of it. One button and immediately BOOM - there it is!

How can anyone not like dashboard, I don't know. Of course, you have to download some good widgets, because the stock Apple ones are pretty poor feature-wise.

I LOVE DASHBOARD!!!

OK, now you can go back to hating on Lion. I'll watch from the sidelines, I'm in no hurry to upgrade from SL - I don't see what it is that's a MUST upgrade to Lion that I can't live without.

 

[blackomega31]

Which one?

the one one right. 10.6 expose. it was expose, perfected

 

[exactoGorilla]

At first I thought it was just different, and that I'll get used to it eventually.

Now, though, I have grown to HATE Lion.

It starts from the moment I boot up the computer and realize it doesn't boot up as fast as Snow Leopard.

Then I log in and I cringe when it opens up all my last used apps because I forgot to check a box that automatically checks itself every time I try to turn off the machine.

Seriously, nobody cares. "Oh my god I hate Lion because of trivial ********" Take your bitching somewhere else. I heard 4chan is a great place to bitch, why don't you go over there?

 

[maflynn]

I'm the opposite - almost

I have not grown to love it, but I've been quite vocal about its short comings. Still with Lion we some glimmers of where apple is going and attempting. I think the execution of those ideas was flawed. Couple that with bugs and we have an OS that for many is lacking.

I had to downgrade from Lion to SL because it just couldn't do what SL can. I'm hoping that apple fixes those short comings in 10.7.xx releases.

 

[tkermit]

10.6 expose. it was expose, perfected

To me, 10.6's Exposé always seemed to waste a lot of space. But worse than that, you couldn't identify a window by its size in relation to the other ones. Lion has finally brought that back. Lion's Exposé also seems much more helpful in picking out applications that have only few windows open among other applications with a lot of windows open. Now, for applications with a lot of windows open, I feel it is appropriate to go into Application Exposé anyway. I only wish switching between Mission Control and Application Exposé was a bit faster in Lion. Unfortunately when you click on an app's icon in Mission Control and instantly afterwards activate Application Exposé, you will see the app windows of the previously active application. So what you have to do instead is, you have to wait for the animation to finish and only then activate Application Exposé. That can quickly get annoying in a fast workflow.

 

[(marc)]

Booting Lion is way slower than Snow Leopard. I also do not like the "reopen windows" feature and versions. Maybe I'm going to downgrade to Snow Leopard soon. I'm glad I didn't buy Lion but pirated it so I could try it out.

 

[fisherking]

these threads are funny...
if you don't like the new OS, don't use it.
at some point, you'll move to it...when it becomes more stable, and when apps start to require it.

meanwhile, i am pretty happy (late 2008 macbook). i decided mission control was useless. full-screen is nice, but i don't need that tiny bit of screen i gain without the menubar.

so it's not perfect. but i haven't had a crash since installing lion; everything runs well. have adapted to new mail (which is great); fixed a few things (with bettertouchtool, etc)...but hey i customized my experience on every apple OS since 10.2.

move ahead, or don't. eventually, you'll have to... until then, whatever works.

 

[klaxamazoo]

Things that are wrong with lion

1) Login screen is ugly
2) Linin everywhere is ugly
3) new finder look is horrifing
4) Mission control is useless (bring back the old expose)
5) Launchpad - i wish i could delete it
6) fullscreen apps - they disable my second monitor (apple chose to do that, this is not a bug)
7) Screwing up gestures was a big mistake
8) Versions - should be a choice not decided for you and bring back save as
9) makes my macbook hot enough to fry an egg when im just using finder
10) why have they not killed dashboard (seriously who uses it)
11) they deleted front row
12) Resume it defaults to on all the time ( when i reboot i do not want to wait for all the apps to start again)

in conclusion. im glad apple gave me my money back for lion. its more like kitten

I concur. I'm hoping someone smarter than me will be able to fix the video card drive issues with running Snow Leopard on the new Macbook Air. They've gotten really close.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

1) Login screen is ugly

Agreed...

3) new finder look is horrifing

Why, cause of the greyed out icons? Finder is actually more stable in Lion for me than it was in SL. The different settings for each folder actually stick for good, unlike SL.

4) Mission control is useless (bring back the old expose)

Mission control is better IMO, especially for managing multiple desktops.

5) Launchpad - i wish i could delete it

Why? Just don't use it. Turn off the hot corner and remove the icon from dock. Does it bother you just knowing it's there?

6) fullscreen apps - they disable my second monitor (apple chose to do that, this is not a bug)

I read somewhere that a couple apps work on the second monitor while on full screen. It also mentioned that apps will have to be updated/written for this. Not sure if it's true or not.

8) Versions - should be a choice not decided for you and bring back save as

This doesn't bother me as I learn to make good use of Versions. But I agree it should be a choice since many don't like it.

10) why have they not killed dashboard (seriously who uses it)

Are you kidding me? I love Dashboard.

I can check the five day weather forecast at the swipe of my touchpad or F4 key. The GV connect widget is has become invaluable to me, I text more from GV that on my carrier and I never miss a text with Growl notifications. Add of course everyone uses iStat.

11) they deleted front row

Now that's something many don't use.

12) Resume it defaults to on all the time ( when i reboot i do not want to wait for all the apps to start again)

How hard is it to uncheck something before you shutdown or restart? Sure Apple should have included a setting to quit asking and permanently turn that feature off(maybe in an update), but some of you guys in MR forums are acting like this extremely small annoyance is the anti-christ.

 

[ljonesj]

From what i read some people have actually clicked the check mark and restarted and every app and window started like that check mark was not clicked.

 

[blackomega31]

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Ok perhaps my rant on dashboard was premature. I hardly use it

Yes you can disable launchpad. However any time you use app store it comes back. Also I am a heavy spotlight user and any program I have that starts with L apple always puts launchpad at the top

Yes you can uncheck resume but it defaults back every time

As for full screen. Yes some apps do, they are the ones that have not adopted apples full screen API

as for finder, mostly because of the changes to the sidebar layout. Moving devices to the bottom and yes the greyed out icons are disgusting. Apple has been phasing out color in iTunes then iPhoto now osx perhaps they are phasing out color monitors as well

And believe it or not. People use front row. I have a Mac mini as a media center and i prefer that to XBMC because it's a cleaner look. They did not have to trim that out. Especially since computers come out with bigger hdd's every year