I just dropped my Macbook Air M1...

[SirAnthonyHopkins]

Why do you say it was an accident?. The OP admitted that the macbook was not secured properly in his backpack, the result being it fell out of the backpack, that's not accidental, that's carelessness. People have a very bad habit of passing things off as being an 'accident' when in fact it is not. This was totatly avoidable.

Not sure what meaningful distinction you think you're making between "carelessness" and "accident" here. The accidental part was him not zipping up his bag. If you're insisting that the only things we're allowed to call "accidents" are those in which no human error occurred at any level, that's a pretty high bar.

 

[fromsixtozero]

I can feel your pain, but it is not that bad, at least you dont have to worry about further scratches

 

[laptech]

Not sure what meaningful distinction you think you're making between "carelessness" and "accident" here. The accidental part was him not zipping up his bag. If you're insisting that the only things we're allowed to call "accidents" are those in which no human error occurred at any level, that's a pretty high bar.

This part in your post

Not sure what meaningful distinction you think you're making between "carelessness" and "accident" here

This is just it, I am not the one who makes that distinction, others do by misappropriating careless actions as being accidents. Maybe it's about time people's attitudes were changed as to what constitutes an 'accidental behaviour'.

In your post you write is as 'The accidental part was him not zipping up his bag'. Immediatly you've dismissed what is clearly a careless action as being that of an 'accident'. It clearly is not because if the OP had zipped up the bag the macbook would not have fallen out. This is clearly carless behaviour, not accident behaviour.

 

[SirAnthonyHopkins]

I am not the one who makes that distinction

You're literally the one making that distinction.

 

[laptech]

You're literally the one making that distinction.

No I am not. I am calling it for what it factually is, a careless action. It is you who is the one that believes there is some distinction going on because in your mind you percieve his actions and being accidental, which is not factually correct.

 

[SirAnthonyHopkins]

No I am not. I am calling it for what it factually is, a careless action. It is you who is the one that believes there is some distinction going on because in your mind you percieve his actions and being accidental, which is not factually correct.

So what counts as an accident in your mind? I'm struggling to imagine an accident that occurs that doesn't, at some stage, have careless at its root, that couldn't have been averted if someone had taken a different course of action.

I don't really understand how you come into this thread and insist there's a difference between "accident" and "carelessness", and then insist that you're not even the one making that distinction.

 

[laptech]

So what counts as an accident in your mind? I'm struggling to imagine an accident that occurs that doesn't, at some stage, have careless at its root, that couldn't have been averted if someone had taken a different course of action.

I don't really understand how you come into this thread and insist there's a difference between "accident" and "carelessness", and then insist that you're not even the one making that distinction.

The first sentance is a pandora's box of what one count's as an 'accident' hence I will not entertain such a question.

The second sentance, please have the decency to read through the whole thread because if you had and saw my starting posts you will see i did not 'come into this thread and insist there's a difference between "accident" and "carelessness" so do not claim or accuse me of such.

I have always maintained the OP's actions was due to carelessness. Even the OP in one of his posts states how careless/mindful he was to not zip up the bag. You are the one that has turned it into a debate about the difference between carelessness and accident, not me.

 

[SirAnthonyHopkins]

The first sentance is a pandora's box of what one count's as an 'accident' hence I will not entertain such a question.

It's actually the crux of the case you're trying to make, and your avoidance of the simple question is pretty strong evidence that you know you're wrong here.

You are the one making that has turned it into a debate about the difference between carelessness and accident, not me.

Because I'm curious about how far this rabbit hole goes. The definition you've set out leaves such little room for what can be classed as an accident that I'd like to hear more about it.

 

[SirAnthonyHopkins]

You: "I'm not starting arguments about the difference between carelessness and an accident"

Also you, before anyone else mentioned this debate:

Why do you say it was an accident?. The OP admitted that the macbook was not secured properly in his backpack, the result being it fell out of the backpack, that's not accidental, that's carelessness. People have a very bad habit of passing things off as being an 'accident' when in fact it is not. This was totatly avoidable.

 

[laptech]

You: "I'm not starting arguments about the difference between carelessness and an accident"

Also you, before anyone else mentioned this debate:

I asked a very genuine question. Now you need to go back and read what you put:

I don't really understand how you 'come' into this thread and insist there's a difference between "accident" and "carelessness", and then insist that you're not even the one making that distinction.

You insinuated I came into this thread insisting that there is a difference between 'accident' and 'carelessness'. I did no such thing. I entered this thread with posts about Apple care and later on I replied to a post asking a genuine question about why the OP's actions were considered to be an accident. I said the OP's actions was not accidental but carelessness. I then said people have bad habit of passing things off as being an 'accident' when in fact it is not. That is making a judgement about accidents. No where in my post does it make any reference to me insisting there is a difference between 'accident' and 'carelessness'.

There will probably be a reply but I will not repsond because this discussion is titling on the verge of off topic.

 

[hagjohn]

This is why I always have a neoprene cover for my laptops. Wouldn't stop the dent but it would saved it from getting all scratched up.

 

[Reggaenald]

Yeah, Spotlight is such a nice tool, if one knew how to use it. Just type in the term you want to know the definition of and it will tell you. According to that guy there are no accidents anymore. Don’t waste your time on some argument like this, as if he’s gonna change his mind. I feel you, Hopkins.

You: "I'm not starting arguments about the difference between carelessness and an accident"

Also you, before anyone else mentioned this debate:

 

[StoneJack]

I think we need a lawyer here

 

[Reggaenald]

I asked a very genuine question. Now you need to go back and read what you put:



You insinuated I came into this thread insisting that there is a difference between 'accident' and 'carelessness'. I did no such thing. I entered this thread with posts about Apple care and later on I replied to a post asking a genuine question about why the OP's actions were considered to be an accident. I said the OP's actions was not accidental but carelessness. I then said people have bad habit of passing things off as being an 'accident' when in fact it is not. That is making a judgement about accidents. No where in my post does it make any reference to me insisting there is a difference between 'accident' and 'carelessness'.

There will probably be a reply but I will not repsond because this discussion is titling on the verge of off topic.

@SirAnthonyHopkins

Accident:
something that happens unexpectedly and is not planned in advance

~Carelessness:
lack of attention and thought about what you are doing

OP was careless not to check if his backpack was closed properly.
He started walking and his laptop accidentally slipped out of the backpack.
Does this settle it?

 

[Hawker 800]

 

[johnkree]

Why do you say it was an accident?. The OP admitted that the macbook was not secured properly in his backpack, the result being it fell out of the backpack, that's not accidental, that's carelessness. People have a very bad habit of passing things off as being an 'accident' when in fact it is not. This was totatly avoidable.

We shouldn't be behaving like that because it allows people to become complacent in their daily lives when their careless behaviour is persistantly passed of as being an 'accident'.

The OP knew hs error, admitted his error and now has to move on. The question is will he learn from this error or do exactly the same thing again a few months from now or even a year from now.

There are several very well known dictionaries that state otherwise:
Accident:
Cambridge Dictionary:
something bad that happens that is not expected or intended and that often damages something or injures someone:
Josh had an accident and spilled water all over his work.

Law dictionary:
An accident is commonly defined as “an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury.”

Webster’s Dictionary defines an “accident” as follows: an “unfortunate happening” that occurs “unintentionally” and results in “harm, injury, damage or loss.”

No I am not. I am calling it for what it factually is, a careless action. It is you who is the one that believes there is some distinction going on because in your mind you percieve his actions and being accidental, which is not factually correct.

It isn't. Carelessness is by definition the fact of not taking or showing enough care and attention.
What happens after a careless act is an accident. Carelessness or careless acts are causes for accidents.

So what counts as an accident in your mind? ...

I don't really understand how you come into this thread and insist there's a difference between "accident" and "carelessness", and then insist that you're not even the one making that distinction.

I'm wondering the same.
I was careless because of sleep deprivation and stress. But the drop of the macbook is not a careless action as he is trying to make us believe, it is caused by my careless act of not closing the zip.

@SirAnthonyHopkins

Accident:
something that happens unexpectedly and is not planned in advance

~Carelessness:
lack of attention and thought about what you are doing

OP was careless not to check if his backpack was closed properly.
He started walking and his laptop accidentally slipped out of the backpack.
Does this settle it?

Exactly.

 

[Wildkraut]

it’s not worth anything if it‘s half destroyed…

Sure it is, one month ago i sold an older iPhone X on eBay with broken Screen.
The outer case looked like it was used by HULK, but it went away for nearly 300EUR.
Crazy but yeah, good for me

 

[TheGenerous]

Unfortunately my M1Pro MBP14 fell off my bed.
It was 20 cm from the border of the bed and I sat next to it to tide my shoes, my body sunk in the mattress and then the computer slide and fell. My bed mattress is about 35 cm from the floor, the bed's height is below my knee. It got a surface scratch on both corners on the SD card side. Apparently nothing else happened. I think I got lucky this time. I know no one cares but I still feel bad though

 

[JPack]

Why don't people install cases? Such a simple solution to avoid scratches.

 

[johnkree]

Unfortunately my M1Pro MBP14 fell off my bed.
It was 20 cm from the border of the bed and I sat next to it to tide my shoes, my body sunk in the mattress and then the computer slide and fell. My bed mattress is about 35 cm from the floor, the bed's height is below my knee. It got a surface scratch on both corners on the SD card side. Apparently nothing else happened. I think I got lucky this time. I know no one cares but I still feel bad though

I care. It hurts. But lets be grateful that they still work and that Apple is still building very sturdy machines.

Why don't people install cases? Such a simple solution to avoid scratches.

I don't like cases on my phone. The Apple leather case is the first iPhone case I really like and all my phones since the 3gs have been iPhones. It's such a beautiful device and you have to decide between protection and having a beautiful device.
I can live with phone cases but on a laptop? naaaah...