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Wow, where's the chill?

Anyway, I think jailbreak developers should offer free trials.

I remember when I read here about the fiasco it was the first version of Eclipse and how everyone felt stolen. That wouldn't have happened if he offered a free trial, but now he's got your money and you had a bad experience (don't know if it got better, don't care).
 
I just can't take someone seriously who uses pirated apps that cost next to nothing, yet pays $50 or more monthly to Verizon, ATT, etc. for service. Forget about whether or not it's theft. We're talking 99 cents to a few bucks for most tweaks. Buy it and don't like it? Give the developer feedback. You might help improve the app.

Did you even bother to read the whole thread? I explicitly said that, speaking for myself, living in a country where the US dollar is extremely expensive, I have to really be sure where to spend my money.

If my currency was the US dollar I wouldn't mind spending money on tweaks. But unfortunately 1 US dollar are around 13 of my currency.

Did you even bother to consider that I was speaking about testing pirated apps in general and my comments were not directed at you personally?
 
Did you even bother to consider that I was speaking about testing pirated apps in general and my comments were not directed at you personally?

I didn't mean to sound rude, but speaking in general terms also includes me.
 
Note:

Making the argument "I pirate, then buy if I like it"

and also saying "It's not a loss of sale if I never intended to buy it"

Don't really go well together.
 
I really do agree with the ones saying we should be able to try them for free. I think I've spent a large chunk of change on apps that don't work for me. Unlike in Android, the refund policy/system is a bit hard to navigate.

They need to let us try it first. Perhaps they'll get more revenue from it. More people will get to try it legitimately, it won't be such a gamble for us. We'll understand why it costs what it does when we experience the value it brings.

I think that in this way, the devs and users both win.
 
Note:

Making the argument "I pirate, then buy if I like it"

and also saying "It's not a loss of sale if I never intended to buy it"

Don't really go well together.

In what way do you think these two propositions are incompatible?

If I'm not sure I want an app - I won't purchase it. Me trying a pirated app, deleting it and not purchasing it is not a lost sale for the developer, because I wouldn't have bought it just to try it.

Back in the day, I could spend hours in a record shop, listening to vinyls and only purchase a few out of all the ones I had listened to. Today, I download pirated copies (Spotify has taken over a bit though), and purchase the albums I like.

You, and a lot of other people, are making the argument that there's a fundamental difference between trying out a trial version/demo and a pirated app. But placing people that download a cracked app to try it, delete it and purchase it if they like it in the same category as people who download cracked apps to save money - that's just ignorant.
 
In regards to tweaks, I do try before I buy because I don't want to get jipped for something that doesn't work. I don't feel the dev should be compensated for a product they have for sale that doesn't work. I do understand that it may be considered stealing, however, the dev would be stealing my money for producing something that didn't work, which he is claiming it's functional enough to be for sale in the Cydia store.
 
In what way do you think these two propositions are incompatible?

If I'm not sure I want an app - I won't purchase it. Me trying a pirated app, deleting it and not purchasing it is not a lost sale for the developer, because I wouldn't have bought it just to try it.

Back in the day, I could spend hours in a record shop, listening to vinyls and only purchase a few out of all the ones I had listened to. Today, I download pirated copies (Spotify has taken over a bit though), and purchase the albums I like.

You, and a lot of other people, are making the argument that there's a fundamental difference between trying out a trial version/demo and a pirated app. But placing people that download a cracked app to try it, delete it and purchase it if they like it in the same category as people who download cracked apps to save money - that's just ignorant.

If you go to try something, and you have the open mind that you might buy it if you like it, then clearly it doesn't match up with the statement of "never intending to buy it".

If one is never intending to buy, they don't say "I'll buy it, if I like it" with any honesty.
 
If you go to try something, and you have the open mind that you might buy it if you like it, then clearly it doesn't match up with the statement of "never intending to buy it".

If one is never intending to buy, they don't say "I'll buy it, if I like it" with any honesty.

You're twisting around the words of the original phrase to fit your agenda. I never said 'i never intend on buying it'. I said 'it is not a lost sale if a pirate does not intend on buying it' with the phrase in no way shape or form being reflexive.
 
Someone mentioned this already, but you can still ethically "try and buy" if you just buy the tweak outright from the main repo, try it out, and if you don't like it or it doesn't work, get a refund.
 
I don't believe it to be theft. First off, I don't keep any of the tweaks I download. Secondly, I think you should think of it as getting a free sample of something in the sense that it serves as advertising, you try it and if you like it you purchase it.

You may not share my views but I don't think it's stealing when I'm not keeping anything.

Denial seems to be deeply ingrained in your thinking. An affliction that is shared by those who can justify anything to their advantage.
 
If you go to try something, and you have the open mind that you might buy it if you like it, then clearly it doesn't match up with the statement of "never intending to buy it".

If one is never intending to buy, they don't say "I'll buy it, if I like it" with any honesty.

I never try an app with the intent to purchase it - I try them with intent to decide whether I want to purchase them or not.

If you've got the intent to purchase a specific app, there really isn't any reason to pirate is - is there?
 
You're twisting around the words of the original phrase to fit your agenda. I never said 'i never intend on buying it'. I said 'it is not a lost sale if a pirate does not intend on buying it' with the phrase in no way shape or form being reflexive.

I have no agenda.

My "agenda" is to be honest with your intentions. I have tried and buyed. I have pirated. But I don't say "oh well, I might buy it if I like it", while also arguing that "it's not theft because I never intended to purchase it!"

My preference is to let the content creator decide on if something has a demo. Most of the time reviews will let me know if I should buy something. Rarely I'll seek out a "demo" myself. So it's not like I'm sitting here trying to hold some moral high ground. I just think people need to be honest with what they are doing vs trying to excuse what they are doing.
 
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