I agree with you completely. I have tried the Playbook also and it is the same for the fluidity of the screen. When you don't know anything better you might think it's ok, but when you have used the iPad 2 it just doesn't compare. When are these guys going to understand that it is all these small things that make or break the experience. Sometimes I wish that Apple would open up their system to allow more customization but if user experience is to be compromised I understand why they don't, but would still like the option to activate or not. Guess that's what jailbreaking is for.
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I really like the size of the Kindle Fire
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I agree with you completely. I have tried the Playbook also and it is the same for the fluidity of the screen. When you don't know anything better you might think it's ok, but when you have used the iPad 2 it just doesn't compare. When are these guys going to understand that it is all these small things that make or break the experience. Sometimes I wish that Apple would open up their system to allow more customization but if user experience is to be compromised I understand why they don't, but would still like the option to activate or not. Guess that's what jailbreaking is for.
I'm with you. As much as I enjoy my iPad, I'd buy a 7" iPad in a flash... ha... ha... ha. (pun intended).
I'd use the current iPad at home, and the 7" on the road. It's too bad Apple is so narrow minded and stodgy. They would sell huge quantities of both sizes if offered. Sadly the old man in Steve Jobs was too closed to new ideas to permit Apple to take advantage of this size which is so portable & light.
Apples lack of vision really stunts their ability to generate even greater revenue. Backed up by the closed minded worshipers that are not allowed to think for themselves. If you search you'll find lengthy threads authored by fanboys trashing a 7" iPad. Sadly they're blind as well.
If Apple can sell three sizes of MBP's and two sizes of MBA's, that's proof that limiting the customers choices to just one iPad is pure lunacy.
To be fair, Apple did what it needed to in order to "create" the market they intended to dominate. Consider the MP3 Player, the All-in-one computer and the ultralight notebook markets which all started with a single model. They were laser focused on one form factor (iPod, Air, iMac) and absolutely nailed it. And it wasnt until they got peoples attention that they offered more choice.
Well, based on history then their gameplan will most likely bring more choice to the iPad so the only thing different here is that some people still dont understand that Jobs is a brilliant businessman who says whats necessary to sell the product he wants you to buy right now.
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I'd love to have an iPad that size too, but it seems everyone e feels threatened by the idea somehow and like to attack the idea.
Yeah, I dont get the "threatened" reactions either and you get the same reactions with people daring to say the iPhone should get a bigger screen.
In every other Apple product (Macbook, iMac, iPod) there is choice in sizes. But for some reason with iPhones and iPads then these must not ever be changed and choice will be a bad thing.
Apple has proven itself to be a brilliant company so why do so many assume that they can't figure out how to make a usable 7" iPad or a pocketable 4" iPhone?
Yes, but what does set Apple aside from other company's is that they would probably come out with a way for developers to port their existing apps using their SDK.
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This is pretty much stated in all the reviews I have read. The Fire has some issues that need to be worked out.
I personally had some hands on time with the Barns & Nobel Nook Tablet and I really liked it.
I'm actually going to buy one for myself and my wife as a reader and it will be nice to have the other options like, video, Netflix, Hulu and games too.
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Well stated!
I like the size of the Fire as well. I love my ipad but I've been keeping the Fire next to me often. The screen size of the ipad does make it much more useful in some cases. Magazines namely. I guess it just depends on your specific use case. I'd rather Sapporo focus on a stronger cloud brand. I think amazon may have them on that right now.
I like how these folks get so tired holding an iPad, but zooming in and out constantly on a 7" tablet? No problem. 
You ain't fooling anybody. It is about price. And of course - new and shiny.
There are a lot of sick individuals out there that proclaim each successive gadget to be so much better than the old one in the corner they purchased 5 minutes ago.
You ain't fooling anybody. It is about price. And of course - new and shiny.
There are a lot of sick individuals out there that proclaim each successive gadget to be so much better than the old one in the corner they purchased 5 minutes ago.
you need to stop thinking about how you would use it and consider how other people use it.
i agree with you that reading magazines, etc would involve a lot of zooming in, but for reading novels, paperbacks, etc...7" is fine and might be one of big reasons why someone might consider the KF. they'd primarily use it as an ereader and the other stuff that it can do on eg. web browser, streaming movies/music for only part of the time.
if people browse the net on their iphones (i know one guy who reads PDFs on his iphone), 7" would be more than big enough when 10" would be too big.
i agree with you that reading magazines, etc would involve a lot of zooming in, but for reading novels, paperbacks, etc...7" is fine and might be one of big reasons why someone might consider the KF. they'd primarily use it as an ereader and the other stuff that it can do on eg. web browser, streaming movies/music for only part of the time.
if people browse the net on their iphones (i know one guy who reads PDFs on his iphone), 7" would be more than big enough when 10" would be too big.
I like how these folks get so tired holding an iPad, but zooming in and out constantly on a 7" tablet? No problem.
You ain't fooling anybody. It is about price. And of course - new and shiny.
There are a lot of sick individuals out there that proclaim each successive gadget to be so much better than the old one in the corner they purchased 5 minutes ago.
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The Kindle Fire is "fine" but its size requires a compromise. Anyone who thinks it's "almost as good" as a 10" device for movies is kidding themselves. Ditto for web surfing. I think it's a fine value for $200 but if you want a "full" tablet experience, this won't give you one.
7inch screen is perfect compromise between portability and viewing area. 10inch iPad is way too big to take it everywhere (unless you are a woman and you carry a purse).
i agree with you that a 7" tablet is a compromise if you're used to a 10" tablet. but someone who never bought an ipad either because of cost or because it was too big/heavy, it may not be much of a compromise to them or at least acceptable.
the funny part is that I wouldn't have any complaints with watching a movie on a 7" screen. i'd have a *huge* problem reading comics or magazines on a 7" screen though.
i would pick up a nook if it was <$100. i don't think i'd be happy with the KF even though it has better sideloading because of the responsiveness, or lack thereof, of the touchscreen.
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Im not trying to be argumentative but in a market so incredibly young then does it make sense to say that Apple has defined the "full tablet experience" and anyone doing other product sizes and styles aren't providing a "full tablet experience"? What makes 10" the better choice over 11.3" or 6.5"? Because Apple did it and therefore it's the "correct" size while every other size is somehow "wrong"?
It just seems hypocritical to say competition should try doing something different than Apple, then the moment they do then people say Apple's style and design is the ONLY way to do it right.
I'm not saying 10" is the ideal format just that 7" is suboptimal given what the 10" affords. Anyone who says 7" is perfect is kidding themselves.
You bring up a very valid point. One that unfortunately is a rather limiting shortcoming of iOS. Not easily overcome, it limits Apples ability to capitalize on what promises to be a very popular size.
Despite the naysayers in the Apple camp, since the beginning of tablet development, 7" has been a popular size. While it hasn't sold huge quantities yet, with Amazons entry, that's about to change.
Apple lovers tend to criticize and demean anything sans the Apple logo. They like to label it the bottom of the market. Some are about to be in for quite an eye opener.
There won't be any eye opening, because Amazon doesn't post sell through numbers or return percentages.
That said, we already know the 7" Fire is a failure, because Amazon is already dumping it in favor of the 8.9" version coming out next year. I feel sorry for those that bought the beta version of the Fire. It's unlikely they will ever see the OS updated past Froyo.
Per CNN Money
JP Morgan analyst Doug Anmuth is also bullish on the Fire. In a note to clients early Monday, he said he expects Amazon will sell 5 million Kindle Fires this quarter (in 6 weeks) and 20 million in 2012.
"We believe the Fire's low $199 price point and broad distribution ... will help expand the market to consumers who previously may have been reluctant to purchase a higher-priced tablet," Anmuth wrote.
Amazon has never revealed sales figures for its Kindle line, but Anmuth forecasts that device sales and related goods will total $5 billion in 2012 and $8 billion in 2013. He upped his price target on Amazon stock to $250 from $230 based on his Kindle Fire predictions.
Oh... well, if an analyst says it will happen, then it must be true. Seriously dude, if analysts were always right, Apple stocks would be at $500 right now. Only people that will ever know how much sell through the Fire gets, work at Amazon... And they ain't talking.
Well I guess you are entitled to you personal idea. While I do agree that holding a 7" tablet with one hand is definitely easier and preferable to a 10", it's not easier for ME to carry since I don't carry a man purse or wear a suit/sports coat. Also using a 7" tablet is a different experience than a larger device. Most of the apps that I use on a 7" android device is a blown up version of the phone app and even those that take advantage of the 7" screen size feels cramped. So pretty much my 7" device collects dust while I constantly use the 9.7" idevice at home and at work.
Isn't that the Spinal Tap way of looking at a product? Because using that narrow perspective then the only requirement to create an "iPad Killer" is to release an 11" because "Who cares about screen quality, usage scenarios, portability, convenience or aspect ratios. This one goes to eleven inches".
Again, this market is far too young to claim any size is an "ideal format". And the tablet is far too diverse a device to claim that 7" ISN'T perfect for some individuals.
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Ideal is in the eye of the beholder. There is no "ideal" size. Different strokes for different folks. Some have larger hands. Some have longer fingers. Some prefer lighter. Some don't have good eyesight. Its all about CHOICE. Having the opportunity to CHOOSE the size that's IDEAL for YOU.
Samsung has it right. They go from 4" (phones) to 5 to 7 to 7.7 to 8.9 to 10.1. Take your pick, whatever floats your boat. Whatever YOU feel more comfortable handling, holding, carrying, whatever. I understand the argument against "fragmentation", but I prefer the argument for "choice".
I'd like to point something out. No matter your preference on size the kindle fire is a great device. I think that if anyone can finally have a decent version of android & hardware its amazon. I'm typing this on the kindle fire now. Now I'm a huge fan of ios, I love my ipad & iphone, but this is a great device. I've been reading on it just fine using it for surfing, reading news etc.
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"Choice" is a silly argument. You have choice; if Apple isn't selling what you want and some other company is then you can choose to buy it. A corporation has no obligation to produce every iteration of every device. It's silly to say that Apple is denying anyone a choice.