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I see that you edited his post.
I refuse to buy an iPhone until......
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I see that you edited his post.
wjlafrance
macrumors 6502
Only to point out that he said AT&T has great service and we need to quit whining, and then saying that he doesn't know how my service is.
Applejuiced
macrumors Westmere
Geckotek
macrumors G3
This is a very recent change. Up until recently Verizon was much faster.
It's the nature of technology and the differing cycles the carriers are on. They will continue to leapfrog each other. Today, Sprint has WiMax. Tomorrow Verizon will have LTE. After that AT&T will probably jump straight to the latest iteration of LTE to leapfrog them both. It's just how things work.
Loves2spoon
macrumors 65816
So I have always wanted to make the leap from blackberry to iPhone...
BUT I refuse to switch until it goes to verizon...AT&T is terrible!!!
Until that magical day I have my iPad
Anyone in here waiting for some changes/fixes before they buy??
I have 5 bars of Edge/3G in my area. Never had a dropped call from AT&T in 3 years on the iPhone. Guess I live in a good coverage area.
I've had Verizon and browsing the web is slow, not nearly as fast as AT&T.
Geckotek
macrumors G3
I have 5 bars of Edge/3G in my area. Never had a dropped call from AT&T in 3 years on the iPhone. Guess I live in a good coverage area.
I've had Verizon and browsing the web is slow, not nearly as fast as AT&T.
Lucky you. When I switched from Verizon to AT&T on a Samsung A747 I had more dropped calls in a month than I had in years on Sprint and Verizon combined! When I got the iPhone it just added insult to injury.
Admittedly things have improved quite a bit. But the damage has been done and my opinion of AT&T is permanently tarnished. They just did not put enough of their profits back into investing in their network as quickly as they should have. They just did the bare minimum to get along. Took WAY too long to get the half-way decent service I am finally experiencing.
And when I first switched, AT&T's 3G network was pretty piss poor as well. It's onl recently that browsing on AT&T has become faster than Verizon. But that'll change again soon.
OH! And @OP....great job on starting another Verizon thread. Really....great job! #FAIL!
scaredpoet
macrumors 604
The company lets Steve Jobs answer emails, and you have the audacity to still ask that question???
No, it doesn't. There are costs associated with starting up a CDMA-only iPhone manufacturing chain. Licenses to buy from Qualcomm to use their technology. R&D costs to get a different chipset shoehorned into the design.
when you factor those costs in, it's not worth it to start an entirely new production line and go through the design process again to manufacturer - by YOUR figures - 2 million phones... fewer than were sold in a single weekend of iPhone 4 preorders. And imagine how irate those users would be when their "unlocked" CDMA phones don't work on nearly the same number of networks globally.
It's been stated and overstated. Apple once over complicated their product lines and nearly went under, and since then they've gravitated to the opposite extreme: keep product lines simple and unvaried. If they wanted to complicate the product channels by adding a CDMA iPhone, they wouldn't done it by now. But any supposed revenue they could make off it is clearly not worth it to them.
Besides, when you get down to it, you don't see CDMA users in other countries clamoring for a CDMA iPhone. That's mainly because most of those CDMA-served areas are also well-served by a GSM carrier, and the rest are developing countries where, frankly, not enough of the population could afford or care about affording an iPhone to make it worth Apple's while anyway.
The only CDMA carrier anyone seems to care about is Verizon, and that venture has its own corporate culture that clashes head-on with Apple's. They've invested heavily in Droid marketing and have made their point that they think Droid is better than anything iPhone-related. And if anything is gonna chap Steve's hide, it's having his products play second-fiddle to anything Motorola-made or Google-powered.
You make it sound so easy. If it was just "switching out a chip," then why hasn't somebody come up with a CDMA swap kit for the iPhone? If it was merely a chip swap, someone could make TONS of cash - by your reckoning anyway - offering a service where they solder in a CDMA modem.
Prediction: I'll still be happily using my iPhone 4 on AT&T, and you'll be clinging on to the next Wall Street Journal article that claims "inside information" about how the CDMA iPhone is - no really this time! - being launched in Q2 2011.
scaredpoet
macrumors 604
Let's see it!
When John Gruber starts working as an Apple employee, I'll start taking more of his word as gospel.
I wouldn't mind being wrong about this. But the evidence is just as as strong as it was when people were saying we'd have a CDMA iPhone today. Read: not very. Oh and by the way: At the time John Gruber guffawed at the idea.
So I lump it in with the same amount of credibility as those who INSIST that September 30, Apple will come out with a redesigned antenna for iPhone 4.
Geckotek
macrumors G3
Not true at all. AT&T was already a much weaker network before the iPhone. Verizon's network already handled far more data than AT&T. Their network is tested tried and true.
wjlafrance
macrumors 6502
You seem to ignore my point that if AT&T does not have a physical antenna anywhere near my house, Verizon is going to outperform them if they do. You think that if Verizon's network gets pounded by iPhone's, AT&T will suddenly look good to me.
The CDMA solder kit is a good point, but there would need to be massive reverse engineering of iOS, not to mention Apple Legal (and AT&T's lawyers) would have them in mothballs the day it's announced.
The CDMA solder kit is a good point, but there would need to be massive reverse engineering of iOS, not to mention Apple Legal (and AT&T's lawyers) would have them in mothballs the day it's announced.
So I have always wanted to make the leap from blackberry to iPhone...
BUT I refuse to switch until it goes to verizon...AT&T is terrible!!!
Until that magical day I have my iPad
Anyone in here waiting for some changes/fixes before they buy??
I switched from verizon to att, and travelled around with both of them...
and I hate to tell ya, verizon isnt that much better, and att isnt that much worse.
ovrlrd
macrumors 65816
Are you serious? I always thought it was weird how people were self-concious of how many people like/have something. The hipster mentality is so weird. Don't get me wrong, I love things (like music) that are obscure, but not because nobody else does. I like them because they are actually good and that is the only reason.
I bought the iPhone because it's a great product, no other reason. Not even the Apple logo was factored into my reasoning.
MICHAELSD
macrumors 603
I just don't want to see everyone I know using an iPhone. Over half of them can't even properly handle a phone. You've gotta admit that if you got on a train and saw everybody using an iPhone, all for different uses, than it would seem odd. I wouldn't doubt that I'll be buying a new iPhone every year for the rest of my life no matter how popular it gets, but I don't want the iPhone to lose it's sense of being a special phone since it's praised as the best smartphone and everybody has at lease considered buying it.
StuddedLeather
macrumors 6502a
Welcome to New York City.
And I use the iPhone still becuase it works for me. I don't care what people say/think/ what OS they use (Andriod
). . . the iPhone is what I choose. That should be all that matters. And sooner then later (hopefully) you'll have a car or something and you won't have to wory about us train-people
ovrlrd
macrumors 65816
Unless the price gets down to below $50 for one you simply won't see this happening. Even then there are lots of people who won't buy a smartphone because they seem too complicated, some people want physical buttons to dial, and some people want physical keyboards to type (ever wonder why Blackberrys are popular?).
Still, lets say hypothetically it did happen that I saw tons of iPhones being used (which I do now anyway), it wouldn't make me feel any different. I would conclude that some people won't be using it to the fullest, but I am not arrogant enough to care what they do with their iPhone.
F You AT&T I had my iphone 3gs for about a year and I am going pay my early termination fee cuz you guys cant get it together I constantly get drop calls more than any phone I ever had. I dont care how great the iphone is it wont compensate your ***** service.
So goodbye iphone hello Driod
I constantly get drop calls more than any phone I ever had. I dont care how great the iphone is it wont compensate your ***** service. So goodbye iphone hello Driod
Mr Bigs
macrumors 6502a
I too have traveled all over and without question Verizon has way more coverage in the U.S.
Interstella5555
macrumors 603
Yeah, because you can't talk and use data at the same time. It's stupid, and it's a dealbreaker. What is this, 2003?
wjlafrance
macrumors 6502
GSM can't do simultaneous talk/surf, only HSPA/W-CDMA. The original iPhone didn't support 3G and couldn't do them simultaneously. What is this, 2007?
EVDV can do simultaneous talk and surf, but all the major carriers use EVDO. If Apple really wanted simultaneous talk/surf over EVDO, they'd use VoIP. That's where it's all going anyhow.
EDIT -
I said talk/text, but meant talk/surf.