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I want flash on my iPhone. The n900 has it!
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Steve Jobs isn't the one crying. I don't see him throwing a hissy fit about something on a message board.
If you want flash, just use a flashlight. The pictures will turn out great.
Oh... You meant That Flash...
I'd rather have the flash on the camera.
Oh... You meant That Flash...
I'd rather have the flash on the camera.
Steve Jobs isn't the one crying. I don't see him throwing a hissy fit about something on a message board.
I agree.
As a long time Apple customer, I remember all the good things that Adobe did together with Apple in the early days. Adobe helped Apple become the leader in graphics design. As a Mac enthusiast I'm dissapointed to watch Steve Jobs ever growing arrogance and greed cause him to bash Adobe and Google, then launch law suits. Too much negative energy, when Apple is already raking in the cash.
No.
Adding Flash to the iPhone would take iPhone advancement out of Apple's hands and put it squarely in Adobe's. Instead of awesome yearly updates to the OS the iPhone would get updated 'whenever Adobe feels like it' which, by the way, would be the same time that Android phones get those same updates.
There would be little point in asking "should I get an iPhone or an Android?" because the answer would be "just buy whichever phone looks better on the outside to you."
I'd rather see Apple make iPhones and Google make Android phones and let the consumer choose which one they prefer. The idea of mashing them altogether and creating a world where all cell phones work the same and are updated by a single company is frightening to me.
And make no mistake, if Flash apps ran on every phone, that's what people would make. Mostly flash apps. So you'd live in a world where most of your apps are run on Adobe software, not Apple software. So the new phone comes out, let's say... Front-facing iPhone camera? Great, it won't work with your apps until Adobe adds support for it. When will that be? Well, it doesn't help Adobe to add that, so just wait...they'll get around to it eventually! That's the kind of thing you're asking for...Apple updates the hardware and then you wait for Adobe to update the software.
Remember the OS X switch? Remember the Intel switch? Remember how long people waitied for Photoshop to update before they took the plunge on those new Macs both times? It'd be the same thing with the iPhone..."Gonna upgrade to the new iPhone?" "Nah, I'm gonna wait until Flash gets updated in 8 months since my apps won't work right on it until then anyway." Yeah, that'd be great for Apple!
EDIT: (And, btw, can you see how "Just put it on and let the user turn it on or off" really doesn't help that in any way whatsoever? So what if 15% of iPhone users turn off Flash? That's 85% of your users who aren't interested in buying Apple's new hardware until Adobe gets around to coming out with a new version of Flash. And as of right now the next version of cell-phone Flash has been "almost ready" for over two years now, so good luck on seeing quick Flash updates, if that's your plan for making this all work.)
And I'm happy that you can do that!
I like that you have that choice. I don't want Apple to have a monopoly, I think they'll always have less than half the market and I think that's a good thing.
Being an Apple lover doesn't mean I think everyone should buy Apple products. It just means I think Apple should do what's best for their own products.
The iPhone is like the Wii. It's cool, but it'll never repace the Playstaion (or Android, in the iPhone's case).
But just like it make no sense to say that the Wii should try to be like a Playstion, it also makes no sense to make the iPhone be like Android. Adding Flash would do that, and it's just unneccessary.
But I wish you well; if the Evo fits your needs then you SHOULD buy it.
On the subject of Adobe Flash: The main reason why websites are switching over from Flash to HTML5 is because of the success of the iPhone, iPod Touch, and iPad. Clearly Steve Jobs is pushing HTML5 over Flash, and he has the power to do so.
Now, it would great if they could give you option to enable Flash in the settings. But, if you give users the choice to use Flash, what website is going to take the time to convert their website to HTML5? You'd email the New York Times saying you can't view their website on your iPhone. They'd probably respond back with "You need to enable Flash on your iPhone".
Apple has a lot of power right now to steer the world to HTML5, and they aren't going to take any chances to slow it down.
Now, it would great if they could give you option to enable Flash in the settings. But, if you give users the choice to use Flash, what website is going to take the time to convert their website to HTML5? You'd email the New York Times saying you can't view their website on your iPhone. They'd probably respond back with "You need to enable Flash on your iPhone".
Apple has a lot of power right now to steer the world to HTML5, and they aren't going to take any chances to slow it down.
Thanks for that!
I'm in the UK and I've got Cloud Browse the way you suggested, and it works great. I can now see all that nasty stuff that SJ did not want to let me see. Like videos on the BBC news website. And the times for the Torbay Express.
I wonder how long it will be before they pull the app from the store
I don't want Flash on my phone. Yesterday my wife was playing Farmville on my MacBook and I noticed that the fan was exceptionally loud. Checked system resources and, sure enough, the Flash plugin was using 93% of the CPU. Not something I want on my iPhone.
I used the Skyfire browser on my Android phone last night when I was super bored at work to watch full episodes from Southparkstudios.com. It wasn't perfect, but it was pretty damn good. I enjoyed being able to watch some episodes and it made the night go by that much better.
Skyfire basically uses their servers to convert any flash content into HTML5 and send that to your phone. They have expressed they would develop for the iPhone but are put off by Apple's terrible App Store policies.
You could be watching flash based videos on your iPhone today without requiring Apple to do a thing to support it. Apple insists on simply not supporting it, but going out of their way to block the ability to watch it.
Skyfire basically uses their servers to convert any flash content into HTML5 and send that to your phone. They have expressed they would develop for the iPhone but are put off by Apple's terrible App Store policies.
You could be watching flash based videos on your iPhone today without requiring Apple to do a thing to support it. Apple insists on simply not supporting it, but going out of their way to block the ability to watch it.
So what would be wrong with giving you the option to touch the little blue box on the iPhone screen if you wanted the flash object to play?
As an aside, if you get a nice Windows notebook instead, you will notice that it's capable of running Flash without whirring the fans or killing the processor. It's an Apple problem.
I have an N900, not because I wanted flash on it, but because I wanted to use real Linux without Java, and to be perfectly honest with you, Flash suck on it. Flash wasn't designed for mobile devices (I knew this before SJ said it) it doesn't work well with the touchscreen concept, it gives out jerky video (even when I'd overclocked my handset to 930MHz processor and 500MHz DSP).
I believe I made my preference that my iPhone not have Flash on it pretty clear. Is there something unclear in what I said? To be clear, I didn't say there was anything wrong with others wanting it on their phones, just that I want it not to be on mine.
Sure, but following my suggestion, for you it's just like having a song in the iPod section that you don't like so you don't play. Does no harm at all for it to be there.
And your wife might like it for when you're not there.
I am not sure why you are going on about this. My wife has her own iPhone, and if she wants Flash on it she is welcome to have that preference. People are allowed to have different preferences, and mine is not to have flash on my phone. Is there any way I could be clearer about this?
Do you know Microsoft and Firefox also promotes HTML5?
In other news, I want floopy drives on my MacBook Pro
For people who are complaining about flash and how much it "hogs" their system....... what hardware are you running?
I'm on a win 7 machine and while it does use some CPU power, it don't take a hit, at all, period. Jumping even 10% is not that big of a deal, right? Thats why you should have a fast processor, to deal with cpu heavy applications. Or maybe OSX isn't as optimized for flash? I haven't had an issue with it ever.
For those who complain about SJ not supporting flash, then don't buy an iPhone or do what others do an jailbreak it.
Flash itself is not the enemy, and never was. Considering that most hardware is overkill for most PC users, there should be a desktop problem. As for phones, buy one that supports it if you want it (I know i want support for it) or hack your iPhone like I said.
SJ won't support an industry standard, that's his business, but that's also why I don't support his products for the most part.
I'm on a win 7 machine and while it does use some CPU power, it don't take a hit, at all, period. Jumping even 10% is not that big of a deal, right? Thats why you should have a fast processor, to deal with cpu heavy applications. Or maybe OSX isn't as optimized for flash? I haven't had an issue with it ever.
For those who complain about SJ not supporting flash, then don't buy an iPhone or do what others do an jailbreak it.
Flash itself is not the enemy, and never was. Considering that most hardware is overkill for most PC users, there should be a desktop problem. As for phones, buy one that supports it if you want it (I know i want support for it) or hack your iPhone like I said.
SJ won't support an industry standard, that's his business, but that's also why I don't support his products for the most part.
Only the total lack of logic or reason. However, that is common in religious movements.
Hence my suggestion that it's an option to activate it
No, Adobe writes Flash, not Apple.
They spent years ignoring OS X, only providing software that barely worked, hogs the processor and crashes the browser. (Notice above where the Mac user complains about Farmville but the Windows 7 guy doesn't get it? That's not a coincidence. That's reality.)
Jobs noticed this and decided he didn't want to deal with Flash again on his new platform. Now Adobe is spending a LOT more time working on making Mac Flash work better. But it's too late. They already PROVED that they'll spend years letting Apple products lag behind their competitor's products if they want to.
What's to stop them from doing the same thing on phones and giving Androids good software and iPhones crappy flash? They've been doing it to Apple for years now. What makes you think they'll suddenly change?
It's too late. Treat Steve Jobs like crap and he'll stop doing business with you.
You gotta be kidding me! Did you just wake up after a few weeks of coma or something? 'cuz clearly you've got a lot of catching up to do.