I wanted to like the X, but...

[dexterie]

Seriously now: let's step back and look at the whole picture.

I'm a "all Apple" kind of guy but this is getting way silly. I mean, I understand the X is a "Special Edition" phone, setting the standard for that the next iPhones will be or look like, but its price is ridiculous.
I could afford it but I can't justify the price. I like it, but it's way too expensive (at least here, in Europe). For that price you can buy a Macbook Pro!

And then let's talk the 8. It's the same phone again. Yes, since the 6.

It's hard for me to recommend any of the new iPhones to people who ask me what I think. Specially considering what the competition offers now. We're no longer in 2007 and they are closer (if not above) than ever.

After the Keynote I was like "yes, I'm buying the X" (I see no point in upgrading my 7 Plus to anything else on their lineup), but now... I can't justify it...
The display is nice and we finally get OLED (something that I've been asking for ages), but...

I don't want to turn this thread into a flame war or anything... I'm just "letting it out".

In my opinion there should be no iPhone 8 and we should have only the X as a new model, priced as the 7 was last year. That would be a bit more acceptable, no?

 

[maflynn]

In my opinion there should be no iPhone 8 and we should have only the X as a new model

Agreed, but I think there would have been a fairly large push back on a 1,000 phone. Apple is providing an upgrade path for the majority of people with the 8, and allows those that want to spend more to get the 1,000

Not for nothing but the Samsung S8 has nearly the same specs as the iPhone X (in fact many of the specs of the iPhone x have been in other android phones for years) and costs 840 dollars, closer to the iPhone 8 then the iPhone x but with iPhone x specs.

 

[dexterie]

Agreed, but I think there would have been a fairly large push back on a 1,000 phone. Apple is providing an upgrade path for the majority of people with the 8, and allows those that want to spend more to get the 1,000

Not for nothing but the Samsung S8 has nearly the same specs as the iPhone X (in fact many of the specs of the iPhone x have been in other android phones for years) and costs 840 dollars, closer to the iPhone 8 then the iPhone x but with iPhone x specs.

That's the thing. I see Apple following and not leading.

The X is too expensive for a phone that has competition doing about the same for less. And then, the 8 is just a 6 with a new "facelift", keeping its aged design and sold as premium.

Unfortunately, Apple doesn't currently have a phone that is undeniably better than the competition. Years ago, buying Android was (to me, at least) an act of going for the lower end. Right now...I can picture myself changing sides (god forbid!). But it's the truth.

 

[sammy2066]

Also, with the engineering resources at Apple's disposal, I'd have expected the bezels to be thinner. The Galaxy S8 and Note8 are aesthetically more appealing, and in my view, better looking than the iPhone X. The poor choices and compromises that inevitably led to Apple 'settling' on the iPhone X design is appalling, and simply do not justify the $999 price tag. Just my $0.02.

 

[dexterie]

Also, with the engineering resources at Apple's disposal, I'd have expected the bezels to be thinner. The Galaxy S8 and Note8 are aesthetically more appealing, and in my view, better looking than the iPhone X. The poor choices and compromises that inevitably led to Apple 'settling' on the iPhone X design is appalling, and simply do not justify the $999 price tag. Just my $0.02.

I agree. Any of those look like what Apple would do if they had put their resources into making a great phone...in 2014 or so. And now, with all their cash and so they come along with a phone that is good, not great.

 

[Absrnd]

with all their cash and so they come along with a phone that is good, not great.

You seem to know exactly what is costs to develop a new iPhone, I didn't know you worked for Apple R&D, can you give us a rundown of the exact cost and time involved ?

 

[Zune55]

Also, with the engineering resources at Apple's disposal, I'd have expected the bezels to be thinner. The Galaxy S8 and Note8 are aesthetically more appealing, and in my view, better looking than the iPhone X. The poor choices and compromises that inevitably led to Apple 'settling' on the iPhone X design is appalling, and simply do not justify the $999 price tag. Just my $0.02.

I am disappointed on iphone x design considering how samsung made s8+. iPhone x is apple 10 anniversary iphone and they had 10 years to bring out this? Samsung released S8+ in April was not an anniversary phone but they really worked extremely well on design. I am hoping apple will fix the design flaw in iphone x.

 

[sammy2066]

You seem to know exactly what is costs to develop a new iPhone, I didn't know you worked for Apple R&D, can you give us a rundown of the exact cost and time involved ?

That wasn't his point, and to be honest, doesn't matter what it cost to develop - doesn't negate the fact that it isn't great.

 

[Nik]

Vote with your wallet and dont buy it. That is the only way

 

[Jervasio]

What was a big disappointment was the lack of pro-motion in a device that costs a freaking 1000$ dollars!!!

 

[dexterie]

What was a big disappointment was the lack of pro-motion in a device that costs a freaking 1000$ dollars!!!

That will come in 2018, for 200$ extra. Lol
/s off

You seem to know exactly what is costs to develop a new iPhone, I didn't know you worked for Apple R&D, can you give us a rundown of the exact cost and time involved ?

It's not about the development cost. It's just that you see other companies (including start-ups like the Essential Phone) come up with way better design choices...for a lower price tag.

It feels that Apple is just ridding on the "past profits", very much like Nokia did 10 years ago.

They need to come up with something that is truly, undeniably amazing. Something that makes their "cheaper" competition look dated, cheap and not a first option.
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Vote with your wallet and dont buy it. That is the only way

I guess this year will be the case. I won't be upgrading my iPhone. At least not for a new iPhone.

 

[Brian Y]

I think I'm going to wait for the next revision of the X. Whenever Apple introduces something drastically new, it's always expensive, and tends to be buggy.

And hopefully they find a way to get rid of that notch over the next year!

 

[dexterie]

As a colleague of mine just put:

"In a different world, where all manufacturers have the same OS (be it iOS or Android), would you pay the extra for the an iPhone X?"

 

[maflynn]

and tends to be buggy.

That's my concern, I'd rather not be on the bleeding edge with my phone.
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And hopefully they find a way to get rid of that notch over the next year!

they need space for the front camera, so its either a notch, or a bezel - pick your poison.

 

[kasakka]

I agree. If you have a top end smartphone (Apple or not) made in the last 2 years or so I see absolutely no reason to upgrade to the X at this point. It seems more like a concept phone that will become a better, more mature product next year. It doesn't do anything to make it a noticeably better smartphone experience than what I already get with my much cheaper phone.

 

[M. Gustave]

That's the thing. I see Apple following and not leading.

The X is too expensive for a phone that has competition doing about the same for less.

People can say Samsung's been "doing the same for less" all they want, but an S8 is running Touchwaz/Android, not iOS. I'm not switching to an inferior OS just to get wireless charging for less money.

I'm not getting the X, due to price, colors, and the notch, but let's not act like buying a Galaxy is a seemless experience.

 

[Brian Y]

That's my concern, I'd rather not be on the bleeding edge with my phone.
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they need space for the front camera, so its either a notch, or a bezel - pick your poison.

Tbh, I think I'd rather have a very thin top bezel. But they need to miniaturise the components before I guess it'd be possible.

 

[willmtaylor]

Seriously now: let's step back and look at the whole picture.

I'm a "all Apple" kind of guy but this is getting way silly. I mean, I understand the X is a "Special Edition" phone, setting the standard for that the next iPhones will be or look like, but its price is ridiculous.
I could afford it but I can't justify the price. I like it, but it's way too expensive (at least here, in Europe). For that price you can buy a Macbook Pro!

And then let's talk the 8. It's the same phone again. Yes, since the 6.

It's hard for me to recommend any of the new iPhones to people who ask me what I think. Specially considering what the competition offers now. We're no longer in 2007 and they are closer (if not above) than ever.

After the Keynote I was like "yes, I'm buying the X" (I see no point in upgrading my 7 Plus to anything else on their lineup), but now... I can't justify it...
The display is nice and we finally get OLED (something that I've been asking for ages), but...

I don't want to turn this thread into a flame war or anything... I'm just "letting it out".

In my opinion there should be no iPhone 8 and we should have only the X as a new model, priced as the 7 was last year. That would be a bit more acceptable, no?

I’m sorry, but you obviously don’t want to be taken seriously if you’re going to say that the iPhone 8 and the iPhone 6 are the same phone.

 

[Brian Y]

As a colleague of mine just put:

"In a different world, where all manufacturers have the same OS (be it iOS or Android), would you pay the extra for the an iPhone X?"

That's the thing that makes the iPhone so good IMO - it's the integration between software and hardware.

That's the one thing Apple has always been very good at.
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I’m sorry, but you obviously don’t want to be taken seriously if you’re going to say that the iPhone 8 and the iPhone 6 are the same phone.

The 6 and 8 are worlds apart, but I see the 8 as more of a "7S". If you have a 6/6S it's probably worth the upgrade, but if you have a 7 I'd say it wasn't.

As for the price issue, I would imagine that's down to the display. It's an odd display - I'd guess that yields are low and they're pretty damned hard to make.

I would not be surprised if there's a 2 month wait for an X.

 

[cableguy84]

Apple has low confidence in the iPhone X. Hence why the iphone 8 exists , as a "backup".

The X is a prototype at best

 

[dexterie]

I’m sorry, but you obviously don’t want to be taken seriously if you’re going to say that the iPhone 8 and the iPhone 6 are the same phone.

Ok, you're right. They aren't the same phone. But they are very similar, aren't they? The evolution in those generations (6, 6S, 7, 8) is less evident than, say, between 4 and 5S.
It feels they are just improving, fine-tunning and not creating something new.

 

[rotlex]

I think I'm going to wait for the next revision of the X. Whenever Apple introduces something drastically new, it's always expensive, and tends to be buggy.

And hopefully they find a way to get rid of that notch over the next year!

My thoughts exactly on this. My 7 does everything I need right now. Before, during and even a little after yesterdays event I was set on buying the X. After sleeping on it, I don't really see the point right now. I'll ride it out, let the bugs get worked out, and probably upgrade at the next release.

Also, although I'm being redundant as I have said it a few times in other threads, why does the base model only have 64GB? Seriously. For 1K, 128 should be the bare minimum. Believe it or not, this is one of the things that drove me over the edge in saying I'm sitting this one out.

 

[dexterie]

For a phone that is supposed to be a celebration and an achievement, it's quite underwhelming. Specially because we're talking about Apple. They could have done something better.

 

[Absrnd]

That will come in 2018, for 200$ extra. Lol
/s off

It's not about the development cost. It's just that you see other companies (including start-ups like the Essential Phone) come up with way better design choices...for a lower price tag.

It feels that Apple is just ridding on the "past profits", very much like Nokia did 10 years ago.
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You forget that most new companies don't make any profit for years, and they are "riding" the cashflow they got from investors.
And after they made and sell their truly amazing invention, that also go for the small updates every year, or even every 2 or 3 years.

 

[maflynn]

Apple has low confidence in the iPhone X. Hence why the iphone 8 exists , as a "backup".

I don't think that holds water, if they had low confidence the project should have been killed long before they unveiled it yesterday. The inclusion of the 8 is a simple fact that they need to have one model at a given price point.

The X is a luxury item in a sense, and so Apple is probably not expecting huge over the top sales figures, the 8 will be the bread and butter model, but the X is higher tier, lower sales volume, higher priced model.