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I wont buy if the RAM is the same.

pdqgp said:
Ok. I see them too. However, as a fellow photog I'm on a few related forums but don't get why anyone would embed that many images in a thread. :confused:

That doesn't defend the memory issue, but honestly I've never encountered it in my use on any number of forums. Even with plenty of memory I'd have to tell that guy to post a link.
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What's the alternative? I actually like that all the pictures are in the thread like that. I hate when they are small thumbnails and then you have to individually open each one because I never do, I like to skim through real quick and see if there is something that interests me.
 
I've been watching there iPad ram threads now, and to be honest. I'm not really seeing the issue. My iPad works, and until these threads cropped up, I had no idea how much ram was in there. Perhaps iOS 4.3 will deal with the ram problems that people have complain about safari - I don't know.

Would I be happy if apple increased the ram to 512meg, sure. Would I notice probably not since I don't notice it now in my iPad 1.
 
The iPad should have 1GB RAM. 256MB is not enough. We see it all the time when multitasking, or when using many tabs in Safari. This is one of the most frustrating things about the iPad.
512MB is the absolute minimum for the iPad and I hope has at least done the right thing here.
 
The 256MB RAM in the iPad 1 proved to be frustrating to me. Sluggishly switching between apps, apps like Pulse crashing after viewing a few pages; it's definitely necessary to upgrade to AT LEAST 512MB.
 
I would suppose that the bump in processor capability and graphics processing should mean that it comes with no less than 512. I think it's almost a guarantee, folks. If it comes with a gig, I'd be surprised, but I think it's likely 512.

Wait until the iFixit teardown and it'll be confirmed- which should happen any day now.
 
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought it was already confirmed the iPad 2 has 512 in it, not 256.

And if it was confirmed, I still feel that 512 is pathetic and will NOT alleviate any of the RAM issues the iPad 1 experienced with 256. Reason being, as the iOS moves up from 4.3 and on, it'll require more RAM (along with people using that fake multi-task and more powerful apps that will come out).
 
WhySoSerious said:
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought it was already confirmed the iPad 2 has 512 in it, not 256.

And if it was confirmed, I still feel that 512 is pathetic and will NOT alleviate any of the RAM issues the iPad 1 experienced with 256. Reason being, as the iOS moves up from 4.3 and on, it'll require more RAM (along with people using that fake multi-task and more powerful apps that will come out).
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You have evidence for that? Have you measured RAM usage in the 4.3 GM to older versions of iOS? Apple may have made RAM allocation better in 4.3 for all we know.
 
fishmoose said:
You have evidence for that? Have you measured RAM usage in the 4.3 GM to older versions of iOS? Apple may have made RAM allocation better in 4.3 for all we know.
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yes, my evidence is that the previsous versions of iOS don't work on older devices.

current example: iPhone 3G will not run 4.3

so, it's safe to say that going forward, memory usage will go up as iOS goes up.
 
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WhySoSerious said:
yes, my evidence is that the previsous versions of iOS don't work on older devices.

current example: iPhone 3G will not run 4.3

so, it's save to bet that going forward, memory usage will go up as iOS goes up.
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That's speculation based on conjuncture not hard facts, we don't know for sure that's the reason Apple has dropped support for 4.3 in older hardware. For all we know, Apple may be able to optimize 4.3 for the iPhone 3G but they just don't want to.
 
fishmoose said:
That's speculation based on conjuncture not hard facts, we don't know for sure that's the reason Apple has dropped support for 4.3 in older hardware. For all we know, Apple may be able to optimize 4.3 for the iPhone 3G but they just don't want to.
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do you just like to debate for the sake of debating? i mean, really.... common sense bro....
 
WhySoSerious said:
do you just like to debate for the sake of debating? i mean, really.... common sense bro....
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I don't think it's accurate at all to say it's sure memory usage will go up with every iOS release. I'm pretty sure, sooner or later, Apple will optimize iOS Snow Leopard style. You just have to.
 
fishmoose said:
You have evidence for that? Have you measured RAM usage in the 4.3 GM to older versions of iOS? Apple may have made RAM allocation better in 4.3 for all we know.
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256Mb RAM is really nothing. Think about it for a moment. What do you expect from the OS? How optimized is it? How many MBs are free?
512MB makes everything much better, but 1GB makes the iPad future proof..
 
petvas said:
256Mb RAM is really nothing. Think about it for a moment. What do you expect from the OS? How optimized is it? How many MBs are free?
512MB makes everything much better, but 1GB makes the iPad future proof..
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I agree that 256MB is too little but I don't agree it has to be 1GB. It's really impossible to say how much RAM it needs before we have tested it on 4.3. It's just speculation.
 
IcyStorm said:
The 256MB RAM in the iPad 1 proved to be frustrating to me. Sluggishly switching between apps, apps like Pulse crashing after viewing a few pages; it's definitely necessary to upgrade to AT LEAST 512MB.
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Pulse doesn't crash for me.

LOL, calling iPad sluggish shows how much experience you have with an iPad.

For a huge number of tasks, iPad with 256MB ram is more responsive than many windows laptop with 4gb of ram.
 
fishmoose said:
I agree that 256MB is too little but I don't agree it has to be 1GB. It's really impossible to say how much RAM it needs before we have tested it on 4.3. It's just speculation.
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I don't care about iOS 4.3. I care about iOS 5. Having more RAM is certainly going to be a plus.
 
petvas said:
I don't care about iOS 4.3. I care about iOS 5. Having more RAM is certainly going to be a plus.
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Well, if we don't know how 4.3 handles RAM it's even more pointless to know how iOS 5 handles RAM. Apple hasn't even announced iOS 5 we have no idea how it will run or on what devices it will run on.
 
fishmoose said:
Well, if we don't know how 4.3 handles RAM it's even more pointless to know how iOS 5 handles RAM. Apple hasn't even announced iOS 5 we have no idea how it will run or on what devices it will run on.
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The point is, why be limited in such a way? When Apple designs new features, they have to consider current hardware. Having such a silly limitation in RAM is a problem.
1GB is the right amount of RAM for such a system.
Try now having 8 tabs in Safari open. Open Mail, go to Calendar, open a couple of other apps and then try going back to Safari. The iPad reloads the page because it cannot handle the task due to Memory being very low.
Having more RAM is beneficial for third party apps, which can offer much more features and overall functionality.
I don't understand how someone wouldn't want to have more RAM.
 
What I love is how people put a number on how much RAM needs to be in the device without even understanding how iOS uses it, and what technological direction Apple is taking its different platforms.

The same goes for people asking for x-cores or z-GHz, sure more is always better but trying to judge the performance of the device without acknowledging the fact that Apple has been pushing Grand Central Dispatch, even for iOS apps, for at least a year so most apps would be ready for multi core systems (while other platforms hope that the devs will do the work the good old fashion way) and working on the next version of OpenGL ES (instead of finally bringing the mac platform to the latest standard) so it could, again, use more efficiently multiple GPUs.
 
petvas said:
The point is, why be limited in such a way? When Apple designs new features, they have to consider current hardware. Having such a silly limitation in RAM is a problem.
1GB is the right amount of RAM for such a system.
Try now having 8 tabs in Safari open. Open Mail, go to Calendar, open a couple of other apps and then try going back to Safari. The iPad reloads the page because it cannot handle the task due to Memory being very low.
Having more RAM is beneficial for third party apps, which can offer much more features and overall functionality.
I don't understand how someone wouldn't want to have more RAM.
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Easy. They think everything Apple puts out is gold.
 
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I understand very well how RAM is being utilized. I am an IT Consultant you know...

Just compare the iPhone 4 to the iPad in terms of multitasking. 512MB makes a big difference, so imagine having even more.
 
petvas said:
The point is, why be limited in such a way? When Apple designs new features, they have to consider current hardware. Having such a silly limitation in RAM is a problem.
1GB is the right amount of RAM for such a system.
Try now having 8 tabs in Safari open. Open Mail, go to Calendar, open a couple of other apps and then try going back to Safari. The iPad reloads the page because it cannot handle the task due to Memory being very low.
Having more RAM is beneficial for third party apps, which can offer much more features and overall functionality.
I don't understand how someone wouldn't want to have more RAM.
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The reason is because RAM costs money. Most people demanding 1GB of RAM seem to be talking about it as if it's a free resource. The iPad is in a price sensitive market and pricing will affect sales volume (assuming sufficient production capacity). I suspect that your usage example is not typical of most iPad users, some users don't even realise that Safari has tabs at all. My views are just my suspicions based on what I read on internet comments and some data from the relatively few iPad users that I've met but you can be sure that Apple has a far more informed view on how people use the iPad. Why would they increase their costs by adding extra memory that my guess is fewer than 5% of purchasers care about?

From the user's point of view, taking me as an example, I find the current 256MB of memory almost good enough for my usage pattern which includes browsing with up to 8 tabs in icab although I try to keep the tabs down to between 4 and 6, as much as anything because the on-screen tab bar gets too cluttered with more than that. Given how close 256MB is to being good enough, my confidence is pretty high that the 512MB that I expect is in the iPad 2 will be completely sufficient for my needs. Why would I want the price to go up, even by $30, for a RAM upgrade that I don't need? If you then want to make the argument that Apple should be putting in 1GB for the existing price then I would rather they reduced the price and took out the 512MB that I almost certainly don't need.

That's how I see it right now, I don't want to pay the premium for 1GB if I don't need it. If it turns out that iOS 4.3 or iOS 5 do become bloated enough to not run well in 512MB then I would change my mind but right now I think it will run very well with 512MB.

- Julian
 
clivewarren said:
If everyone was like you guys, products would never be improved.
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No its just that everyone is sick of the crybaby trolls coming to mac rumors to whine about some of the best and fastest selling products in the electronic industry. This happens EVERY time apple releases something.

If you don't like it, don't buy it, but please don't come online and cry about it.
 
petvas said:
I don't understand how someone wouldn't want to have more RAM.
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Who said they wouldn't want more RAM? 'More RAM' is fine, but I don't understand how people can specify an arbitrary amount of RAM as necessary or sufficient without seeing how the iPad and OS use it.
 
Carouser said:
Who said they wouldn't want more RAM? 'More RAM' is fine, but I don't understand how people can specify an arbitrary amount of RAM as necessary or sufficient without seeing how the iPad and OS use it.
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Well, I didn't say I wanted 16GB of RAM. Just 1GB...

I also believe that the new iPad will have 512MB. It just makes more sense, considering that the iPhone 4 has that amount of RAM.
 
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