I'm with you on this. I never heard Steve say that "low end would be updated first". I could be wrong, but I don't remember him saying that.thequicksilver said:
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MacTruck said:I heard this on the Keynote. Maybe your video feed dropped that frame.
Would you do me the honour of copying and pasting? Here's a transcript.
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....this is very intresting but IMHO tis a bit too late from Big Blue, and yet this is probably a show of strength from them, for the company tis not so good but for me its nice coz i'm in the market for a new G5 and i think i'll wait till jan06 ( not in a hurry ) and see what they got in the Hat
....this is very intresting but IMHO tis a bit too late from Big Blue, and yet this is probably a show of strength from them, for the company tis not so good but for me its nice coz i'm in the market for a new G5 and i think i'll wait till jan06 ( not in a hurry ) and see what they got in the Hat
Come on guys!!
Come on guys!!!
You all know that new powerbooks will be out late next month THE LATEST!!!!
Apple knows that they need new G5 powerbooks now if they want to keep selling. Also you should notice that apple said long time ago they have everything was ready for the new G5 powerbooks but the processors because of the power consumtion.
Take a look to all...... in tiger one of the features is the 64bit processors (look at apple.com/tiger), powerbooks by intel wont be out till at least june '07, for the first time PC notebooks are getting ahead apple, etc.....
just think about it.
Come on guys!!!
You all know that new powerbooks will be out late next month THE LATEST!!!!
Apple knows that they need new G5 powerbooks now if they want to keep selling. Also you should notice that apple said long time ago they have everything was ready for the new G5 powerbooks but the processors because of the power consumtion.
Take a look to all...... in tiger one of the features is the 64bit processors (look at apple.com/tiger), powerbooks by intel wont be out till at least june '07, for the first time PC notebooks are getting ahead apple, etc.....
just think about it.
thequicksilver said:
oops, my bad. He never said anything about the low end mac in the keynote. I thought you meant him saying about the macs getting updated to intel in 2006. Sorry, had another post on my mind.
Object-X said:
The trick is getting the developers to.
They will also have to have Rosetta run backwards. Right now I think it only does PPC on x86
miketcool said:
Which brings up an interesting point. I do not want stickers on my PowerBook. I see PC notebooks with all sorts of stickers on them like "Intel Inside" etc. Ugly! Apple, please, give me a sexy smooth black 970MP PowerBook like my Pismo.
MacTruck said:
Thanks. I wasn't trying to catch you out, but a lot of people have been stating this as fact, so I wanted to find out once and for all if it was just a typical messageboard situation of a piece of speculation being taken as fact.
Yes. It was just a point that needed some clarification.thequicksilver said:
Just to further emphasize this point, how about some bold formatting?
During the WWDC 2005 Keynote, Steve Jobs did not mention that low-end machines would be updated to Intel processors first.
This is great news - it shows that the PowerPC will indeed have a very good life up until the switch to Intel is fully made, so there shouldn't be any risk of stagnation in the product lines while we wait for the Intels.
As for the laptop debate, I could see one of these new chips being put in a revamped iBook/PowerBook. Some say that Apple wouldn't do two major revisions of a product line in a short period of time (i.e. new 970, then 6 months later, Intel), but I think that if anything, the new Intel chips will first appear in the PowerMacs, with Intel chips in the portable line following a few months afterwards. Therefore, if we could see new IBM chips in the portable line within the next several months, that may be appropriate timing if the Intel portables won't hit us until next summer, for example.
Regardless, this is great news - I'm eager to see these new chips in upcoming Macs!
As for the laptop debate, I could see one of these new chips being put in a revamped iBook/PowerBook. Some say that Apple wouldn't do two major revisions of a product line in a short period of time (i.e. new 970, then 6 months later, Intel), but I think that if anything, the new Intel chips will first appear in the PowerMacs, with Intel chips in the portable line following a few months afterwards. Therefore, if we could see new IBM chips in the portable line within the next several months, that may be appropriate timing if the Intel portables won't hit us until next summer, for example.
Regardless, this is great news - I'm eager to see these new chips in upcoming Macs!
MongoTheGeek said:
I thought that with a universal binary, it didn't matter. You just code it up, independent of development platform, enable it to work on either chip architecture, and you're good to go. I could be mistaken though.
MongoTheGeek said:
Actually no. Rosetta is only for running PPC code on Intel. You don't need Rosetta to run intel code on PPC because all intel compatible binaries will be univeral binaries, which run on PPC.
Josh396 said:
That's my question too. Obviously with the PPC G5 architecture, Apple could release PowerMacs with 2 dual core G5s. But can the same be said for Intel based Macs? I thought that was a weakness of the current P4 architecture.
Granted, if it could be done, Apple could really jazz up the PowerMac line by offering 2 (or more) dual core Intel processors and SLI enabled video, especially if OS X could be modified to tap into the raw processing power of the GPUs for non graphics related processing. Not that OS X's use of GPU/OpenGL acceleration of the GUI isn't appreciated already...
Too little too late. Nobody wants 1.6GHz G5s in a powerbook. Maybe a mp 1.6GHz, but the current G4s will out preform the single core version.
Nice chart but where is the product? reminds me of Motorola or NASA. Lots of paper but wheres the product? thought so.
It was the same anonymous "sources close to the companies" who leaked the Intel switch just before WWDC who supplied the remarks about low end first. It would have to be a pretty good source to know in advance what the contents of a Stevenote would be, but who knows exactly how good?thequicksilver said:
Is there any mention of actual availability? This may be just something from IBM to tick Apple off. Also, Apple might be "just finding out" about this announcement as well (like they did to IBM about the Intel switch). I bet products based on these new chips will be at least three months away. Don't get your hopes up.
If Apple knew about these chips - and they were ready to go in shipping products VERY SOON, why would they have made the big Intel announcement? Either Intel has something really really big up their roadmap, or Steve Jobs fell under Paul Otellini's reality distortion field.
It just isn't making sense. LOL. I've already decided I'll get one last PPC machine and not worry about being on the bleeding edge of Mactel. It's not the hardware I'm worried about. It's the native Intel software I'm worried about - and the cost to upgrade all my Mac PPC software.
If Apple knew about these chips - and they were ready to go in shipping products VERY SOON, why would they have made the big Intel announcement? Either Intel has something really really big up their roadmap, or Steve Jobs fell under Paul Otellini's reality distortion field.
It just isn't making sense. LOL. I've already decided I'll get one last PPC machine and not worry about being on the bleeding edge of Mactel. It's not the hardware I'm worried about. It's the native Intel software I'm worried about - and the cost to upgrade all my Mac PPC software.
here is why Apple won't put the FX in PowerBooks.
it's VERY simple. it's all about the performance and the power. Freescale beats these "low power" G5s in BOTH areas simultaneously.
at 1.5Ghz, the 7448 uses 15 watts. it also has 1MB of L2 cache and a 200Mhz FSB. Apple would not only use more power, but they'd get weaker performance with a "low power" G5. 16 watts at 1.6Ghz. the 7448 goes up to 1.8Ghz, btw.
G4s aren't going anywhere yet.
PLUS, they won't go BACK DOWN to a 32-bit CPU from a G5. once a line goes 64-bit, they are not going to be stupid enough to go back to 32-bit. marketing and PR would slaughter them.
This is just too little too late.
the PowerMacs ought to enjoy being quad-processor though
it's VERY simple. it's all about the performance and the power. Freescale beats these "low power" G5s in BOTH areas simultaneously.
at 1.5Ghz, the 7448 uses 15 watts. it also has 1MB of L2 cache and a 200Mhz FSB. Apple would not only use more power, but they'd get weaker performance with a "low power" G5. 16 watts at 1.6Ghz. the 7448 goes up to 1.8Ghz, btw.
G4s aren't going anywhere yet.
PLUS, they won't go BACK DOWN to a 32-bit CPU from a G5. once a line goes 64-bit, they are not going to be stupid enough to go back to 32-bit. marketing and PR would slaughter them.
This is just too little too late.
the PowerMacs ought to enjoy being quad-processor though
digitalbiker said:
True, but Apple could certainly use the discount on their portables that going with Intel sooner-than-later would bring to the table. Apple could seriously cut its costs on the iBook and the PowerBook line if they switched to Intel now and used the Centrino chipsets. Even more so if the Mac Mini also switched to using the same chipset as well. Volume is everything in the biz.
Power mac redesign?
Although it isn't a big deal, when do you think apple will redesign there cases and do another drastic transition (example... g4 powermac to g5 powermac)? I was guessing that they would do it with the first intel release. I know most people like the aluminum look and it is hard to find anything cooler, but would a carbon-fiber case be too out there? I really like apples current line up design on every product (although the ibook design seems a bit dated). I guess the powerbook and powermac go hand and hand as well as the ibook and imac (I like the foot on the imac, it shows it is related to the powermac and cinema displays). The ipod still has the chrome back which might stay that way, but I was expecting a mini like aluminum case. I have a hard time believing apple will deliver the intel powermac looking the same as the current with just a different inside. Just don't go plastic on us apple , I am just waiting to see the first sign of a change. Don't deny it, you know you think about the case too.
Although it isn't a big deal, when do you think apple will redesign there cases and do another drastic transition (example... g4 powermac to g5 powermac)? I was guessing that they would do it with the first intel release. I know most people like the aluminum look and it is hard to find anything cooler, but would a carbon-fiber case be too out there? I really like apples current line up design on every product (although the ibook design seems a bit dated). I guess the powerbook and powermac go hand and hand as well as the ibook and imac (I like the foot on the imac, it shows it is related to the powermac and cinema displays). The ipod still has the chrome back which might stay that way, but I was expecting a mini like aluminum case. I have a hard time believing apple will deliver the intel powermac looking the same as the current with just a different inside. Just don't go plastic on us apple
, I am just waiting to see the first sign of a change. Don't deny it, you know you think about the case too.