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The main problem I have with the Mac Mini is the lack of a proper GPU. I want a consumer level mac that has a good GPU without having to buy an expensive iMac. Make it taller and put the iMac's RX 580 in there.

A 6-core i5 is great, but it's only really useful for someone who needs alot of CPU power and CPU alone. If you don't need the CPU power, you're better off just buying a MacBook and docking it especially if you're considering the $1099 Mac Mini.

and the issue there is the problem you have with the Mac mini is it isn’t something else.


I think the chart just shows that, at the time it didn’t have a place. It was created for a specific purpose, to lower the “switcher” barrier to entry. However, since now people know about macOS, it’s just part of a decision you make when buying a new computer. And, since most folks are buying mobile systems, that takes the mini out of the running right out of the gate.

i’d say The mini is even more important now because people are buying mobile.

the rise of mobile systems has lead others to rebalance their spending and be more likely to get budget computers alongside a tablet/phone.

A mini that returns to its roots would be an effective tool at getting people into the full Apple ecosystem.
 
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Why is it needed with the amount of free wifi that's out there
It usually requires going into somewhere like a Starbucks to make use of their wi-fi. Apple obviously look at it as you should be using Hotspot, but that means using your phone's battery and data package, whereas a data only package for WWAN is usually a lot better value for money and does not affect the use of your phone for the rest of the month if you go over your allowance.
 
And today we still don’t have LTE built into a laptop. Why is that?
Because today's iBook are called "iPad" and there are LTE models on that product line
The more "pro" segments using Mac are expected to have a mobile phone, ideally an iPhone.
 
The first laptop with wireless networking? Tim Cook take a hint, that's what innovation is.

Animojis are not innovation.

I had the next generation of iBook at university in 2002, it was so cool having wireless networking internally, everyone else had to use external cards or dongles for their Windows laptops. I think I converted maybe 5 people into buying Macs that year. It's baffling that Apple went back to thinking dongles were the way forward.
 
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And today we still don’t have LTE built into a laptop. Why is that?

just need to get a dongle.
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Why is it needed with the amount of free wifi that's out there
You must not travel for work. Why do phones have LTE lol? Have you ever tried doing work in an Uber, hotel, airport? Half of them charge for ******, unsecured wifi.

With your logic, why do personal hotspots exist?
 
I could use some advice.

I'm worried about "the state" of Apple these days and I don't mean this in a financial context, the company still makes billions of profits, but with Apple's direction towards professionals that do work professionally but not by making tons of money each year.
If I look at Apple's line-up concerning hardware I start noticing that 10 years ago, even for that period, a new MacPro computer for professionals was affordable. And with professionals, I mean those people with tons of talent and who require an affordable PC.
These people, the majority, can buy a very decent computer for less money. Why whould they pay thousands of extra dollars just to be able to work on a Mac system?

I think Apple is making a mistake here. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. You can upscale the prizes for hardware but at some point you'll end up loosing a fast majority of users, especially a lot of creatives out there that 'used to be' Apple's main base of loyal fans.

I'm not an Apple "hater", in love Apple products. I own the newest iPhone, got myself a MacbookPro in 2016, got a iPadPro, you name it. And I worked with Apple hardware for decades, from the time Apple came out with the Macintosh 8100. I need to find myself a replacement for my already sold MacPro from 2010. An iMacPro isn't the right machine for me since I already own a very good monitor (two 4K 32 inch HDR monitors instead of 5K, but those will do the work for me) and I love the idea to have a computer that I can upgrade...

The thing is, I love to have a new MacPro since I'll soon need a computer that can work fast with a huge amount of high-resolution uncompressed tiff files and 4K video files. I'm curious if the, let's say between $7000
and $8000 is worth spending on a new MacPro.

looking forward to getting some advice.
 
maybe a modern laptop, but certainly not an apple laptop last more than 2years before keyboard fails, display fails, logic board fails.. i really cant say that i could trust my mbp would last years... meanwhile my zenbook still going well from 2012.

im sure many will use 4g while 5g is around and happy to use it for years. using the same logic you will end up buying a new phone just for 5g and send the same twitter/board message ”hey im using 5g now, awesome - my insta photos are loading.. the same speed ... but still awesome!” unless you are downloading alot, many will be happy to do their daily task even with 3g and for sure, satisfied of 4g for years from now. i would stick a simcard into my work laptop if it would be possible rather than hotspotting which im force to do now.

if we always go ”dont you have a phone...?”-route, you dont need an apple watch with a cellular plan, you dont need ipad with a cellular either. you can always use your phone.

people who are afraid using public wifi, when possible and need one, get a vpn (e.g. nordvpn, fsecure freedome etc. and select the best vpn service depending on which part of the world you are living). a vpn service costs a fraction of the benefits you get.



im quite sure when you live from your house, you have a problem to find a wifi to connect but surely your phone picks up a 4G(/lte) or 3G signal. im interested in knowing which country provides wifi network rather than a mobile network.
My 2013 rMBP has had no issues. Still a very capable machine, so that’s six years and counting. If they fix the keyboard mess I’ll have no problem replacing it with another apple laptop when the time comes (not anytime soon).

Certainly apple made some very questionable decisions in the computer department in the last few years, but they seem to be changing course.
 
The thing is, I love to have a new MacPro since I'll soon need a computer that can work fast with a huge amount of high-resolution uncompressed tiff files and 4K video files. I'm curious if the, let's say between $7000
and $8000 is worth spending on a new MacPro.

I think you need to wait until the upgrade pricing is announced so you know what your getting for your $7-$8k. I think a lot of the frustration at the moment is with the spec of the $6000 entry-level machine (unless there's a niche application out there that needs ludicrous PCIe capacity but only a base 8-core Xeon). Even deep-pocketed power users who are prepared to pay the price just to get a full-fat desktop Mac are probably going to want a Vega GPU and at least 512GB SSD.

Currently, though I don't think the MacPro is going to make the slightest economic sense to anybody who's workflow could also be done on Windows or Linux. Sure, if you go shopping for a workstation-class PC you can easily spend $6k+ but, from what I've seen, that will get you significantly higher specs in terms of cores, RAM and SSD, plus a workstation-class GPU or two. Where the Mac Pro beats those (other than running Mac OS) is by having a ludicrous number of PCIe slots - but that's partly a feature of the the new Xeon 3000 series processors and their extra PCIe lanes which haven't really started showing up on system-builders websites yet (they may start to include Thunderbolt/USB-C too, although that's still a bit of a solution looking for a problem outside of the Mac world, and Thunderbolt PCIe cards exist).

E.g: https://www.novatech.co.uk/newmod.html?s=PC-2433 - (note - UK prices include 20% tax meaning that - with current exchange rates - if you just read '£' as '$' you'll be in the right ball park) - that's 10 cores, 128GB RAM, 1TB SSD and 4TB of rust and a GPU that costs £2200 by itself. Oh, yes, and a Fractal Design (they're good) case.
 
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When Steve said something, you felt it was coming from the heart. Of course he was a master salesman, but his conviction sounded so genuine.
With Tim, everything that comes out of his mouth, sounds scripted and rehearsed.

Steve was a marketer/sales man. Tim is an operations guy. big difference in personality and disposition.
 
Apple really had a strong product lineup language back then. Here's our professional laptop and desktop, and here's our consumer level laptop and desktop. Now its all convoluted.
I was shocked that Apple brought out a new MacBook Air, and then even MORE surprised that the killed the 12" Macbook.

Im certainly in the camp of a 12" and 14" MacBook and a 13" and 15" MBP. Just makes sense to me.

Desktop wise, iMac for consumers, Mac Pro for Professionals. They should dump the iMac Pro name and just have that be a high end choice for prosumers. Of course, that gorgeous space grey should be the standard for iMacs.
 
I think it would be easier to split their current into three product categories rather than two.

All in one:

- iMac
- iMac Pro

Desktop:

- Mac Mini
- Mac Pro

Portable:

- MacBook Air
- MacBook Pro

When you look at it that way I don’t think it’s that confusing.



What about

Consumer: iMac, macbook air

Pro: 13" MBP. Mac mini, imac

Business: imac pro mac pro 15" mbp
 
We don’t do the same things, and software is exponentially more complex than it was 20 years ago. A website that might have been 100 lines of code to display simple text and images is well over 100,000 lines now and displays animations and video. Games are so complex it takes hundreds of people multiple years to develop them.

But if by “same things” you mean check email, play video games, and surf the web, then yeah we do the “same things”

Games yes, but websites no. Most of the stuff on website is loaded junk that makes the website more difficult to use and filled with trackers and spyware.
The difference now is that we watch HD video, otherwise JPEGS, GIFS, Flash were all there. Photoshop, Office, iMovie, iTunes, they were there and they worked snappy and good.
 
And yet, I enjoy Apple products under Cook more - iPad Pro & Pencil, iPhone X, AirPods - maybe the best Apple products I’ve used and owned.

A CEO doesn’t have to be a passionate designer to run a company that makes great products.

I guess some can love banality.
 
Do you know how HTTPS works? Because this post implies that you don't.

If data is being sent or received over HTTPS, it doesn’t matter whether an attacker is intercepting data between a client and server, or what—if anything—an access point does between receipt and transmission of data, because the data is already encrypted such that only the client and server can understand what's being said.

There’s still some room for error in man-in-the-middle attacks, especially if a server isn’t properly configured, but to imply that you’re no/little better off using HTTPS rather than HTTP is, well, paranoia. Paranoia that sells for the VPN companies out there, of course.


Please note that I did not claim HTTPS was no/little better than HTTP. Yes, I am somewhat familiar with HTTPS, which is why I pointed out that even with HTTPS it is possible for someone to insert themselves into the stream and intercept communications. In addition, you can still track sites visited and duration of visits.

My point was there are valid reasons to be concerned about the security of using free wifi access points. For most people it may not be an issue, but for others there are very valid reasons to use a VPN and be concerned about security. The notion that HTTPS somehow means your are 100% secure and it is safe to use any available wifi is wrong.

As for my paranoia comment, it is a reference to Forrestal.
 
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E.g: https://www.novatech.co.uk/newmod.html?s=PC-2433 - (note - UK prices include 20% tax meaning that - with current exchange rates - if you just read '£' as '$' you'll be in the right ball park) - that's 10 cores, 128GB RAM, 1TB SSD and 4TB of rust and a GPU that costs £2200 by itself. Oh, yes, and a Fractal Design (they're good) case.

Thank you sir for your time giving me such good advice and answer, very much appreciated!

I think you make a good point about the amount of PCI slots, which I don’t need..
The thing is, I’m really into the mac “ecosystem” and I just love how MacOSX works, but I don’t think is worth paying thousands of extra euro’s just to enable me working on a Mac while I could work with enough power for my workload for a much lower prize...

It’s definitely something I need to think over.
 
And today we still don’t have LTE built into a laptop. Why is that?

Tether and hot spots.
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Yes, but your phone is out of battery in an hour if you do that. At least, that's the experience I have (had) with both my 5s and 7. Besides that a direct connection will be faster and more stable.

Wall outlet, charge via USB on computer or Power Battery pack. Hmm lack of cell connection relating to speed and stability comes across as an excuse.

I rather keep my data private and never want to connect to unprotected networks. 4G is also way faster and more stable in many areas.

VPN.
 
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While I agree your point, the comment you quoted is not that shortsighted either. Sure, internet changes the way world communicates, and these authoritarian egotistical people shapes the world we are living today. But, poverty in Africa is still a glowing problem, despite having so many advanced technologies. I am not arguing Steve Jobs should also contribute to biology and agriculture. I think people should know which field they have changed. And what they have changed, is the way customers enjoy and create digital contents. What nexusrule is arguing is from a different perspective.
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Wonder what software or website you are using in the screenshot?


Mactracker.
 
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I remember streaming this announcement from a public library in Trondheim, Norway where I was on a family trip.

It was pretty exciting. The laptop not so much, but the wireless yes.

Those were the days of exciting product announcements. I was at a summer camp when the Cube came out and we weren't allowed to get outside news for the duration of the camp (it was foreign language immersion). So knowing the MacWorld Expo would be coming up I had a friend ready to print out all the web pages from whatever Mac news sites I followed at the time along with the official apple.com product pages. So I first learned about the Cube via contraband mail at summer camp. That was quite an announcement.

Exciting yes as tech and the internet were merging into this critical direction. Having being accustomed to smart mobile devices, IoT, high speed mobile and wifi connectivity, etc the masses have gotten used to it and take it for granted. It’s like being introduced to the first black and white film, then talkies, technicolour, TV tubes, etc. Exciting at first then years later we get accustomed to it.
 
I don't despise Tim Cook like many people do, but you're right – there is a stark contrast between Steve's Apple and Tim's Apple. The new Apple is far more conservative and doesn't have "fun" in the same way. I miss that. I miss Steve.

Apple needs to loosen up and start having fun again, I say. Get creative. Remember how iPods went through many different form factors? Seems that Apple has stuck with the same form factor for Macs and iPhones for a very long time without testing new ideas on the marketplace (Mac Pro aside). Yes, their current designs are industry-leading. But there's no fun in them. Nothing new and exciting in terms of appearance.

Part of that may be due to changing times, generationally in terms of purchasing power, and otherwise in accordance with local and global economic conditions.

There was a time when it was easier for Apple's entire potential market to "go for" the latest release of new hardware and crave the look and feel of it, as much or maybe even more than whatever was under the hood. And of course that attitude has always had its severe critics. But we are what we are, and we're not all alike. The market has always been diverse.

Flash forward and we have different economic times, the large but aging boomer generation is trying to pull back on consumer purchases in retirement; they are often still trying to support a next generation finishing school, then living home while seeking jobs and their own path to financial independence. This is a mixed bag of signals to the marketplace since it's not always easy to tell which boomer-financed purchases are for themselves and which for kids or grandkids.

On the other hand and on the bright side, we on the outside are not privy to what's up with Apple on its drawing board. The company seems to signal now more of a move towards service and content provision, with focus there rather than on hardware and its own OS-integrated app bundles. That doesn't mean plenty isn't going on in terms of research and development of "the next one more thing..." that may emerge to meet a market unaware we could use and enjoy whatever it is. Looking at the surprises of the likes of the iPhone 5C and the iPhone XR, it's certainly not a given that Apple has got stuck in some kind of design rut as it continues to update a product line.

As consumers, we are more jaded than we were 20 years ago, and we are also more diverse in our needs regarding the underpinnings of our computing devices. One can tell that by the mixed reception to Apple's alternate offerings to its main product line changes.

But there's still strong evidence that the marketplace is diverse and open to "new stuff" of entirely different cosmetic and even functional attributes. Some of us totally loved the silky finish and colors of the sturdy little iPhone 5C. Others were much more drawn to the metallic elegance of the iPhone 5S. Similarly, many of us have been quite vocal about our preferences regarding size of smartphones. That's before we get to the great divide between needs of casual and professional users, with respect to overall technical specs and expansion options.

All this provides mixed signals to a publicly traded corporation that must thread the needle somehow and produce what consumers in all their diversity are demanding, and what shareholders expect in the way of return on their investment and a sense of a reliable path forward.

Probably as outsiders (consumers and shareholders alike), we'd all do better to take a somewhat longer view of things -- as Apple itself does and must do-- but that's never been the way of Americans anyway and certainly not in the age of being able to ship opinions around the planet in a matter of seconds.

So I would expect us on the 20th anniversary of the iBook to be what we've always been to Apple, which is a bunch of consumers and shareholders wondering what the heck is coming down the road next and when will it get here already. It's what we do best. :D
 
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Only good for people living in big cities. And as others point out, free wifi is not safe. Also, I don't really think free wifi is “everywhere”, at least in Sydney.

Based on your logic, we should not need to have iPad with cellular in the first place. But, we have cellular iPads for a decade now. Why? Plus, using iPhone drains the battery faster, believe it or not.

Always use a VPN on any untrusted wifi.

iPads are the only device that some people own as it has a balance to be portable, laptops not do much. Try using a laptop while standing up holding it open in one hand and typing with the other. iPads are manageable at this task.
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Wow, $1600 price twenty years ago? That’s $2500 adjusted today - more than a 15” Macbook Pro!
Mr. Tim does really good job at keeping manufacturing costs down...

Manufacturing scale, reliability and cost have dropped 20 years later and enhancements made throughout the entire process and industry. Apple benefits from these as well. I believe the coloured iMac and iBooks had more personality compared to the cold AL ones of present. Sure one can put decals on the lid but that can be done on the previous coloured ones too. The product line is just kinda bland so industrial does not say fun and exciting. All we get now is coloured iPhone/iPad cases and watch bands.
 
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