ICEBlock App Developer Sues Trump Officials, Claims Apple Was Pressured to Remove App

[seek3r]

If you are telling the truth, and I have no reason to believe you, then you are the exception.

The good thing about America is that people can have anti-American beliefs and as long as they are not criminals or committing a crime nothing will happen to them.

However, if you associate yourself with criminals, protect criminals, or attempt to inhibit law enforcement, then you should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

The last decade has proven that illegals in America have significantly increased crime including rape and child sex trafficking. I am personally sick and tired of people protecting criminals over women and child victims. Doing that is simply un-American.

Back in reality illegal immigrants commit violent crimes at significantly lower rates than citizens

Also worth noting that simply being an illegal immigrant isnt a crime, it’s a civil offense, someone who’s not here legally is literally, definitionally, not a criminal just for that

 

[WarmWinterHat]

If you are telling the truth, and I have no reason to believe you, then you are the exception.

The good thing about America is that people can have anti-American beliefs and as long as they are not criminals or committing a crime nothing will happen to them.

However, if you associate yourself with criminals, protect criminals, or attempt to inhibit law enforcement, then you should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

The last decade has proven that illegals in America have significantly increased crime including rape and child sex trafficking. I am personally sick and tired of people protecting criminals over women and child victims. Doing that is simply un-American.

No reason to believe that I protested?

We’re done here. Have a good day.

 

[CocktailHour]

Endangering illegals? LMAO. Right. Other way around.

All yt people are here illegally.

 

[turbineseaplane]

If you are telling the truth, and I have no reason to believe you, then you are the exception.

You have no reason to assume the user is not telling the truth either.

Why not extend grace and the assumption of good faith?

 

[b17777]

Google Maps and Waze both feature the ability to report where law enforcement officers are engaging in speed enforcement and other traffic measures. Both are allowed under Apple's rules and both have been tested in court and declared legal based on First Amendment grounds. Other than the charged political climate around immigration enforcement there's no reason this app should be banned if Google Maps and Waze are not.

And before someone argues that immigration offenses differ in severity to traffic offenses, both categories can range from simple civil offenses to major felonies (aggravated DWI, for example).

Apple's own map app allows you to report where police are.

 

[ProbablyDylan]

Apple's own map app allows you to report where police are.

Clearly we need to investigate Tim Apple for sedition! /s

 

[VisceralRealist]

Apple's own map app allows you to report where police are.

Yep. Absurd that anyone is acting like this is the result of anything other than pressure from the White House. If the White House told Apple to remove the ability to report police locations on its Maps app, then it would comply with that too. But that is not being asked because police locations aren't a hot button issue right now, and ICE raids are. Apple isn't enforcing a general rule about law enforcement; they are complying with specific demands from the current administration.

Back in reality illegal immigrants commit violent crimes at significantly lower rates than citizens

Also worth noting that simply being an illegal immigrant isnt a crime, it’s a civil offense, someone who’s not here legally is literally, definitionally, not a criminal just for that

It's a fairly clear example of scapegoating. If we can just get rid of [insert people I already don't like/trust] then all of society's problems would be solved: groceries will get cheaper, I can afford rent, I can feel safe walking around my suburb, there will be no more opioid addiction, etc. Just get rid of the illegal immigrants and all this goes away. The government can offer people a simple message with a clear target, a target that, without legal status is especially vulnerable to the strong arm of the law. And some people delight in the videos of people being snatched off the street and children crying as their parents are taken away because illegal immigrants are a group of people they've given themselves permission to not feel empathy for.

(Though I should add that American citizens are also being detained, and people are being profiled and having ICE called on them for various illegitimate reasons, including simply speaking Spanish in public).

 

[turbineseaplane]

there will be no more opioid addiction

They better start deporting white Midwestern "salt of the Earth" Americans if they plan to get rid of this issue.

 

[surferfb]

The last decade has proven that illegals in America have significantly increased crime including rape and child sex trafficking. I am personally sick and tired of people protecting criminals over women and child victims. Doing that is simply un-American.

This is blatantly untrue. Immigrants commit crime at a much lower rate than native-born Americans.

 

[bmark]

I surmise that this could be a decent thread this to identify the supporters of and those who oppose the current ‘Dictatorship’ in the USA.

If the USA was a dictatorship then the protestors would all be in jail. USA isn't China or Russia.

 

[I7guy]

ICE doesn’t increase safety, in any way, shape or form. It increases fear and distrust among citizens. I’m not scared of immigrants, and I interact with daily at the hospital I work at.

Federal agents should only operate on federal property, and borders.

Yes I agree legal immigrants are not the issue. And not who ICE targets. Where federal agents operate is not your decision or my decision.

 

[bmark]

Well no bmark that’s not respectful either is it?
It happened in 2014 under Obama and in 2019 under Trump, both times were inhumane and wrong.

You see it’s really easy to know what is right and wrong. You just have to put yourself in the place of the victim.

Eg1 Mass murderer get thrown to the ground, handcuffed by 30 police officers screaming and shouting.
Victims thoughts: fair cop!

Eg2 Mexican, 6 days away from citizenship, gets dragged away by masked men in unmarked cars in front of their 4 year old boy(traumatised) and transported to Venezuela with no due process.
Victims thoughts: a little heavy handed!

See? See how easy it is?

You have to put yourself in the place of the 62,000 migrant minors that have been saved from trafficking as well under the Trump administration. The media never talks how Biden let in 300,000 unaccompanied minors into the US. Many which were victims of sex traffickers.

 

[It’s always something]

And not who ICE targets.

This is patently false, since ICE routinely scoops up people at immigration courts who are following the rules.

 

[bmark]

This is patently false, since ICE routinely scoops up people at immigration courts who are following the rules.

If the migrants came into the country illegally then they aren't following the rules.

 

[goonie4life9]

we're all dying for you to tell us what exact section of 1.1.1 this app "clearly violated" and how

Apple already stated this: it targeted a group and made it, "likely to... harm a targeted individual or group." If you don't like Apple's policies, you are welcome to share that feedback with them, stop using Apple products, or both.

 

[I7guy]

Exactly. If Apple didn't have the door locked and deadbolted, I could just go elsewhere and download this app, and Apple wouldn't be caught in the middle.

What is preventing you from finding a platform if your choice?

 

[goonie4life9]

You know what other apps can provide information about the location of law enforcement? iMessage. Camera. Phone. Facebook. Instagram. WhatsApp. Snapchat. Safari.

That's true and irrelevant to this app. This app was designed to target a group, which made it likely for harm to come to them.

 

[It’s always something]

If the migrants came into the country illegally then they aren't following the rules.

Did you read I7guy’s post? He claimed that legal immigrants aren’t being targeted. Legal immigrants are the ones who are in immigration courts following all the rules, and it is these that ICE is targeting far more than actually violent criminals.

 

[I7guy]

Apple's own map app allows you to report where police are.

So does Google Maps, but that’s not the main purpose.

 

[bmark]

Did you read I7guy’s post? He claimed that legal immigrants aren’t being targeted. Legal immigrants are the ones who are in immigration courts following all the rules, and it is these that ICE is targeting far more than actually violent criminals.

I think you are mistaken. Why would legal immigrants be in immigration courts?

 

[WarmWinterHat]

What is preventing you from finding a platform if your choice?

What’s preventing Apple from letting me use my device as I wish, with the apps I decide I want?

 

[goonie4life9]

Someone asking Apple to enforce their own guidelines is absolutely problematic if that "someone" is the US government. It's unconstitutional, in fact. And it isn't thin...speaking as a First Amendment attorney, this is easily the strongest case of government "jawboning" I've ever seen.

Also not sure if Apple reorganized the App Store guidelines, but here is 1.1.1:



If this is actually what Apple was citing, it's not remotely clear how it even applies here.

What led you to the conclusion that the government asking a company to enforce their own policies is unconstitutional? Does that claim of being "unconstitutional," extend to a company's policies on safety, theft, discrimination, etc.

 

[I7guy]

What’s preventing Apple from letting me use my device as I wish, with the apps I decide I want?

You knowingly bought a device that doesn’t meet your requirements. Apple is not obligated to meet your requirements.

 

[trip1ex]

It's all a political game. And way more sensationalized than the actual reality.

 

[It’s always something]

I think you are mistaken. Why would legal immigrants be in immigration courts?

You’re right. I mistakenly conflated USCIS with immigration courts. Nevertheless, ICE *is* detaining immigrants at USCIS offices as well, so my main point stands: they’re not targeting violent criminals primarily, and they are scooping up people who are trying to do the right thing.