The arrests ICE are making are warrantless round ups by racially profiling people. As a patriotic American, you have a moral obligation to make their job as difficult as legally possible until the current fascist regime winds up in prison.
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The arrests ICE are making are warrantless round ups by racially profiling people. As a patriotic American, you have a moral obligation to make their job as difficult as legally possible until the current fascist regime winds up in prison.
Trying to do the right thing? These immigrants are in the country illegally.
It's the well-worn "You can't yell MOVIE! in a crowded firehouse" argument.
You have the right to free speech but you don't have the right to be heard. In other words, the government can't pass a law preventing you from saying something (including so-called "hate" speech). But nowhere does the law say that people and mediums have to carry your message. This is fundamental to the nature of the US Constitution.
You have the right to free speech but you don't have the right to be heard. In other words, the government can't pass a law preventing you from saying something (including so-called "hate" speech). But nowhere does the law say that people and mediums have to carry your message. This is fundamental to the nature of the US Constitution.
ICE isn’t targeting solely undocumented people. They’re also targeting people like this woman, who was about to get her green card and was at no point in an unauthorized or “illegal” status. Or like Rumeysa Ozturk, who was detained because of an opinion she expressed and not because of any actual violations of any law.
ICE detains Ukrainian wife of US citizen following green card interview
Viktoriia Bulavina’s lawyers say her detention marks a new escalation in the Trump administration’s sweeping crackdown on immigration.
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For the obvious example, to claim asylum. Asylum seekers don't have to cross at legal points of entry. They arrive, claim asylum, and have to wait for an immigration court to hear their claim. That's around 3.5-4 million undocumented people in this country in the immigration court backlog. Most of them get a tax ID (ITIN), work, and pay taxes while being ineligible for most benefits. They contribute around 65 billion to our federal tax revenue. And around $100 billion when you include state and local taxes.
That's why it's disingenuous to refer to all undocumented immigrants as "illegal".
ICE is saying her status expired, paperwork can get messed up. These things happen unfortunately when the previous administration let in million of immigrants without proper documentation.ICE isn’t targeting solely undocumented people. They’re also targeting people like this woman, who was about to get her green card and was at no point in an unauthorized or “illegal” status. Or like Rumeysa Ozturk, who was detained because of an opinion she expressed and not because of any actual violations of any law.
ICE detains Ukrainian wife of US citizen following green card interview
Viktoriia Bulavina’s lawyers say her detention marks a new escalation in the Trump administration’s sweeping crackdown on immigration.
We have 80,000 Somali immigrants in Minnesota and 75% of them are on welfare. That's not contributing to anything positive. I won't even get into the fraud which is a totally different issue.
Whataboutism is an admission of consciousness of guilt.
Besides, children were not put in cages under Obama. Chain-link holding areas inside processing centers have been used since the 1990s. Detentions of minors in the fenced off cells were short-term (less than 72 hours by law). The children were not systematically separated from their parents. Families were kept together in the holding areas, except in rare cases involving criminal charges or child safety concerns.
The "kids in cages" narrative you are trying to invoke started with Trump's 2018 zero-tolerance policy. Trump mandated criminal prosecution of all adult undocumented immigrants. Since children cannot be held in criminal custody, this produced mass, systematic parent-child separations. The separated children were then housed for extended periods in chain-link enclosures (cages) in warehouses (not processing centers). The scale and intention of the Trump program was qualitatively different from the short-term processing-facility holds that have been the practice since Clinton.
In short, Trump, not Obama, forced thousands of children to be ripped away from their parents and held in cages. But, even if Obama had used the same immoral policy of Trump, it would not justify further evil.
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See, e.g., Bantam Books, Inc. v. Sullivan, 372 U.S. 58 (1963); National Rifle Association of America v. Vullo, 602 U.S. 175 (2024); see also What is jawboning? And does it violate the First Amendment?, Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (Nov. 8, 2024).
If you just say it out loud, is it unlawful? Of course not, and posting it is not either. It's speech either way.
Doesn't help to ask a question and then change the topic when you get an answer you don't like.
I was just reading about this (below in italics)
Are you mostly just for deporting them because they are of Somali descent?
That's how you're coming across.
An estimated 260,000 people of Somali descent were living in the U.S. in 2024, according to the Census Bureau’s annual American Community Survey. The largest population is in the Minneapolis-St. Paul area, home to about 84,000 residents, most of whom are American citizens. Ohio, Washington and California also have significant populations.
Almost 58% of the Somalis in Minnesota were born in the U.S. Of the foreign-born Somalis in Minnesota, an overwhelming majority –- 87% — are naturalized U.S. citizens. Of the foreign-born population, almost half entered the U.S. in 2010 or later, according to the Census Bureau.
They include many who fled the long civil war in their east African country and were drawn to the state’s welcoming social programs.
There's another name for those "immigrants"—Americans. The overwhelming majority of Somalis in MN are either citizens or legal residents—58% were born in the US and 87% of the remainder are naturalized, according to the Census—and they have just as many rights as you or I.
Your comment is nothing but pure, gutter racism.
If you are advocating for removing American citizens or legal residents who aren't white, you're advocating for ethnic cleansing.
It's worth taking a moment to think about that...really think about what you are saying there.
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It's worth taking a moment to think about that...really think about what you are saying there.
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That's inaccurate. Some Somali nationals were under temporary protected status which has been revoked due to the massive fraud in Minnesota.
ICE doesn't know that when they do their raids, they just round up brown people and incarcerate them, maybe to be sorted out later. Illegal entry into the United States is a misdemeanor (8 USC 1325), just like jaywalking, walking a dog without a leash, littering, speeding, etc. How many of these criminal acts have you committed?
Doesn't help when you ignore fraud issues and act like some immigrants contribute to society when in actuality they are just free loaders.
Yeah..Trump only asked if they could be "shot in the legs or something". Sure, not nearly fascistic enough to be a dictator.
Seems to me some people are advocating for securing the borders.
Asylum is a legal defense against an illegal entry charge. Someone with a valid asylum claim basically didnt break the law. It’s like how if you kill someone in self defense it’s not murder, even if it may be investigated as such initially. If you crossed illegally, but have a valid asylum claim, you didnt actually break the law.
ICE, though, is scooping people up before they have the opportunity to finish their claims, and they’re relying on the fact that they can detain people for unlawful presence, which since it’s a civil offense doesnt afford people the same protections as a criminal charge. It’s a loophole big enough to screw millions through
ICE is also scooping up people with murkier status (immigration status isnt, despite what people think, a binary, there are a lot of different ways to be in the country legally and a lot of them require a lot of messy legal paths) and just detaining and deporting them without letting them finish the process.
They’re also now canceling citizenship swearing in events, thanks to Trump’s latest order. So much for “do things the right way”, eh?
And that’s not even getting into them detaining US citizens because they’re profiling for “dark skin + spanish”. Yes, citizens seem to eventually get released, but that’s still deeply concerning, it shouldnt be happening to begin with. Dragnets and racial profiling are generally illegal for police, but ICE and CBP operate under some loopholes there too. And remember, there is *zero* legal requirement for American citizens to carry documents proving their citizenship, or even carry ID.
Also just going to note that the *vast* majority of folks ICE is scooping up have no criminal record, at all. They’re even scooping up kids at school, and parents at pick up lines. This justification of “getting violent criminals out” is purely an excuse to be mean and cruel.
“White” is also, itself, a social construct subject to change at the whims of white supremacists. Italian immigrants werent always considered white. Irish immigrants werent always considered white. And many groups, including Jews, Romani, Lebanese folks, Persian/Iranian folks, many Turks and Egyptians, even some Indians (ask a dozen random strangers if Ben Kingsley is white, or Mehmet Oz, you’ll get a couple different answers) and plenty of others “enjoy” a conditional, passing, whiteness in the US but are often tossed under the bus as soon as convenient.
Before we move to different topic, let's stick with answering the original questions I asked. What led you to the conclusion that the government asking someone to enforce their own policies is "unconstitutional"? If you believe this is "unconstitutional," does that belief extend to the government asking companies to enforce their own policies about safety, theft, discrimination, etc.?
Let’s step back slightly further, since you're begging the question: is this even actually against Apple’s policies? It sure doesnt seem that way when I read the rules (or look at similar reporting for pd activity in google maps, waze, or even Apple’s own maps)
You’re starting from what appears to be a false assumption
The legal citations I provided directly answer your question—its longstanding First Amendment doctrine. If you'd like a more fulsome explanation, I recommend you read the cases and/or ask your LLM of choice.