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-em with cloud based services on mobiles
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is that you need a good connection - Buffering - which means it wont work on trains
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and when driving on motorways/freeways in general
Technology is running ahead faster than the mobile networks can keep up
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My main probl - Buffering
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-em with cloud based services on mobiles
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is that you need a good connection - Buffering - which means it wont work on trains
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and when driving on motorways/freeways in general
Technology is running ahead faster than the mobile networks can keep up
Amazon.com gives you 5GB for Free and 20GB if you buy 1 album from their MP3 store.
Cheaper prices + the ability to store anything including ALL of my music.
It'll take a lot for iCloud to move me away from the Amazon Cloud Player (which does work on iOS Devices BTW)
Cheaper prices + the ability to store anything including ALL of my music.
It'll take a lot for iCloud to move me away from the Amazon Cloud Player (which does work on iOS Devices BTW)
You make a point about technology is running ahead of what mobile networks and can keep up with, but without the pressure of technology such as smartphones and mobile broadband do we really think that mobile networks would have got to the level they are at now? I very much doubt it.
This not about apple being ahead of mobile networks its about networks not investing enough time and money into building a better system/network.
Buffering shouldn't be too much of an issue. Music files are relatively small, and any decent implementation will cache future songs. Other players in this space allow you to sync songs/playlists for offline access, so that you can listen while on flights etc. Spotify does this, Microsoft does it with Zune Pass (which on the face of it looks like a superior service).
I wouldnt be surprised if Apple went down the "only music purchased on iTunes" route. It does, however, make it the most restrictive service of its kind.
I wouldnt be surprised if Apple went down the "only music purchased on iTunes" route. It does, however, make it the most restrictive service of its kind.
I hope this stores photo's as well and auto syncs with iPhoto. I'm too lazy to upload them all to mobileme.
You can buy "some"cd's and dvd's cheaper from online retailers. Very few high street retailers are cheaper in fact stores such as HMV and Tesco are more expensive in most cases. A section of the market still like CD's but what is the size of that market to those who prefer to download from either amazon or iTunes.
I for example, like to sample a track and download it on the spur of the moment.
One thing that Apple needs to work on for this to work, is for all record companies in all countries to get behind it. For years now, countries outside the USA have had limited offerings in regard to films, TV Shows and even some music.
And lest we forget, if you do buy a real physical CD, DVD etc, and after a few days, weeks you decide it'[s not really for you, you can always sell it, give it to a family member, Give it to a friend, or give to a charity shop to help towards a worthy cause.
Personally I think we are going down a bad road with all this digital download of data, it's far to restrictive for the customers and the BIG companies must be lapping it up. It seems bleak for future generations I'm afraid as we seem to be like wasps flying into a bottle filled with sugar, it all seems sweet and a nice idea at the time, but in time realist will dawn on what we've done and where we are.
And by then it will be too late to do anything about it.
Yes, there is a market for digital downloads and instant data etc etc. I just fear for the day that this is all there is and we are all locked into it. Kids born today will probably have no choice
And lest we forget, if you do buy a real physical CD, DVD etc, and after a few days, weeks you decide it'[s not really for you, you can always sell it, give it to a family member, Give it to a friend, or give to a charity shop to help towards a worthy cause.
Personally I think we are going down a bad road with all this digital download of data, it's far to restrictive for the customers and the BIG companies must be lapping it up. It seems bleak for future generations I'm afraid as we seem to be like wasps flying into a bottle filled with sugar, it all seems sweet and a nice idea at the time, but in time realist will dawn on what we've done and where we are.
And by then it will be too late to do anything about it.
Yes, there is a market for digital downloads and instant data etc etc. I just fear for the day that this is all there is and we are all locked into it. Kids born today will probably have no choice
You have hit the nail on the head! Its a personal thing! Many arguments for both sides but no one is forced to download.. and yet if so many people wanted to buy music from a store how come in the UK, other than HMV (who vastly over charge) the only other place you can buy music is a supermarket.
I do agree that no person should just rely on downloads or cloud services but it does have its plus points too
In my ideal world I'd see iCloud as syncing the majority of your home folder to the cloud. Most of the items in there are personal, one offs, ie Photos, Documents etc which need to be uploaded and require massive storage, such as the data centre.
Some elements though are going to be repeated by millions of users, no point storing duplicates of those, so scan the iTunes library and if the music track is available on iTunes, then Apple already has a copy so no point in storing it again, they just give you a link to it. Eventually this can work for TV, Movies, iBooks, Apps and anything else purchasable through Apple. Apple need to agree with the labels to do it this way as it's not using your purchased content, but effectively a different file.
Due to the size of home folders you'll be limited in size, xGB for a free or a nominal fee, and tiered as size increases.
I'm probably off with the faries in this suggestion, but there's no doubt it would give you huge advantages, being able to access all of your stuff, from anywhere and it would be a system worth paying for.
I'm really looking forward to Monday and finding out what all of the announcements will be. Hopefully they will be a live feed of the event, I thought it would be a regular occurance when they started them again, so was disappointed that it didn't happen for the iPad 2 launch.
Some elements though are going to be repeated by millions of users, no point storing duplicates of those, so scan the iTunes library and if the music track is available on iTunes, then Apple already has a copy so no point in storing it again, they just give you a link to it. Eventually this can work for TV, Movies, iBooks, Apps and anything else purchasable through Apple. Apple need to agree with the labels to do it this way as it's not using your purchased content, but effectively a different file.
Due to the size of home folders you'll be limited in size, xGB for a free or a nominal fee, and tiered as size increases.
I'm probably off with the faries in this suggestion, but there's no doubt it would give you huge advantages, being able to access all of your stuff, from anywhere and it would be a system worth paying for.
I'm really looking forward to Monday and finding out what all of the announcements will be. Hopefully they will be a live feed of the event, I thought it would be a regular occurance when they started them again, so was disappointed that it didn't happen for the iPad 2 launch.
iCloud
iTunes streaming, Music, Video, TV in the cloud, Meh, I could care less...
All I want from iCloud is for it to replace iWork Beta and then to "Just Work" with the iPad [iPhone/iPod touch too if you must] applications so that I can easily work with these files on any device, including my iMac.
At the moment its a pain! I mean why can I send files to iWork Beta from inside the iPad application but I can't open them from there, why do I have to open a web browser and download them into the app from there? That's just not intuitive. Come on Apple stop pissing about with this and sort it out. Oh - One more thing - if you can't/wont sort it out, then please add Dropbox support to your mobile iWork apps so that I can use that instead - Dropbox is a very good example of "it just works" except where Apple will not let it.
Thankyouverymuch.
iTunes streaming, Music, Video, TV in the cloud, Meh, I could care less...
All I want from iCloud is for it to replace iWork Beta and then to "Just Work" with the iPad [iPhone/iPod touch too if you must] applications so that I can easily work with these files on any device, including my iMac.
At the moment its a pain! I mean why can I send files to iWork Beta from inside the iPad application but I can't open them from there, why do I have to open a web browser and download them into the app from there? That's just not intuitive. Come on Apple stop pissing about with this and sort it out. Oh - One more thing - if you can't/wont sort it out, then please add Dropbox support to your mobile iWork apps so that I can use that instead - Dropbox is a very good example of "it just works" except where Apple will not let it.
Thankyouverymuch.
My question now really is "What else is there?". For the storage of my only itunes bought music I think 25$ is way too much. I guess we find out on monday if there is something else.
iTunes Online, or iCloud as the good people at Apple wants us to call it, will struggle quite a bit here, as iTunes account for less than 30 % of purchases of download music.
The service needs to open up for all music files for it to make sense. As the service is now, it has nothing on Spotify.
The service needs to open up for all music files for it to make sense. As the service is now, it has nothing on Spotify.
ALL the CDs I buy are cheaper from Amazon than from iTunes. Apple does not discount.
I only buy albums. I don't download as I don't want compressed music.
iTunes is a very bad deal.
As I have said in a previous message, its a personal thing. Not all the Cd's I have downloaded are cheaper in a hard copy. It is the users choice if they want compressed music or not, but it does not make itunes bad.. its an option. It is like what you eat or what car you drive, its a choice some people love BMW cars, I hate them it does not mean they are bad.
Apple does not force people to buy music from itunes, or even force you to buy an iPhone or iPad. It is simple, if you/I/We do not like the way in which apple sell or distribute music use another service or buy CD's from another retailer. One thought tho before people compare what Apple will offer to what google, amazon or any other cloud base service should we not wait and see what you get for your buck?
Just no interest in another bill. The main "speculation" is music in the cloud. If iCloud is just MobileMe rebranded, then fine. If it is another bill for my music in the cloud, then no thanks.
But if this streaming lark is as limited as people are speculating, its hideously over priced for anybody, period. Napster and Spotify are both a tenner, and you have 8 & 6 million songs to stream to any pc or smartphone, including new albums and full charts going back to the sixties - this new service costs you 25 spondoolies and perhaps only includes music you've bought from them, plus ads.
So one can only conclude there is integration with mobileme, or some other major kickass service to make that extra cost worthwhile.
Surely?
EDIT: Misread article, its 25 spondoolies a year, 2 per month. Ah well you get what you pay for, seems fair enough, still wont use it.
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While clouds are the future of internet use, right now mobile connections are not all that fast in most of the zones of a country... buffering might be a problem, and besides, it would only be considered as an option once I've ran out of physical space
This just in from an analyst:
Apple says we can expect to pay $ 25 and it isn't clear what they have to offer
for that money.
There is a very high chance that it will be revealed on Monday with more details.
Funny thing. The symbol for internet in systems architecture has, since many, many years, been a cloud...
When we have a good enough and cheap enough information infrastructure, thin clients will for certain be the way forward. As it is today. Pure internet based storage simply doesn't work in far to many places.
You are calculating it wrong!
Steve
$ 25 a month = $ 300 a year =
$ 0.8219 a day (0.8197 in a leap year) =
$ 0.0342 an hour =
$ 0.0057 a minute =
$ 0.0000095 a second
so, really it costs almost nothing!