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Wouldn't that send the photos in a lower resolution/quality? Photostream doesn't upload photos at full resolution.
Arg, you're right. I never understood this limitation (which is why I keep forgetting about it, it doesn't make sense to me, by all means send out lower resolution images in order not to eat other people's local iOS storage but give them an option to get to the full resolution, Photo Stream already has the full resolution on its servers the first 30 days).

But it is probably still better than nothing, as for a lot of purposes the lower resolution can be sufficient.

In principle this should be something Family Sharing should take of. Maybe with iOS 9 (or already with 8.3 or 8.4).
 
Honestly, this photo fiasco has dragged on for so long and has gotten so complicated that I've gotten scared, have disabled anything photo-related on iCloud, and just sit here with iPhoto '09 and a local library. This stuff is very un-Apple-like. I'll bet the majority of users have given up on trying to figure out all the nuances of Photo Stream.


Photostream is not need anymore once you start using iCloud Photo Library. The only thing I have turned on with both my iPhone and Mac is A. iCloud Photo Library B. Download And Keep Originals C. iCloud Photo Sharing


Now if I take a picture on my phone or download a picture on my Mac into Photos app they are synced across both devices almost immediately. Both in full hi-res.


Super easy and people with 16GB phones can now have access to much larger libraries than they could before if they turned the optimize storage on. No 1000 image with no video limits like Photostream. I actually think Apple finally got this one right for syncing photos and videos across devices, and is MUCH better than anything they've done before.


Of course for people who are professional photographers or using their Macs for professional work iCloud Photo Library and Photos app is not really meant for them. A hobbyist or freelance photographer might do ok but this is really meant for 'the masses' of people like me who are just taking iPhone photos and organizing family pictures. Just like iMovie is not actually making professional films.
 
Dropbox's sole 1TB plan costs $0.12 per GB per year.

Google Drive costs $0.24 per GB per year for 100GB plan and $0.12 per GB per year for 1TB to 30TB plans.

Apple's iCloud costs whopping $0.59 per GB per year for 20GB plan and $0.24 per GB per year for 200-1TB plan.

Apple does not necessarily have to become cheapest, but I would like to see some pricing innovation, such as flat $9.99 per year for each 64GB increment ($0.16 per GB per year) consumed beyond free storage, with ability to share storage with family members.

Dropbox hasn't spent the money apple has in R&D and software development to make a series of apps that work across different devices, let you edit photos, organize, store, etc.

Dropbox offers you space in the cloud to store your files.

It's cheap and simple like public storage.

Now imagine your own personal gallery space where you have a curator laying everything out beautiful, helping you edit photos simply, with so much organization that you can quickly find any of your thousands upon thousands of photos with a few flicks of your finger.

Now, given all this context, think Apple's pricing plan is still "whopping" compared to Dropbox's?
 
Ahh sarcasm dripping with maturity!...

Q: I am going on a long flight tomorrow. How many rental movies can I fit on my phone?

- Let me check my free space as reported my phone -> easy

vs.

- Let me start renting and see if I get an error message? -> no so easy (Would I still be charged a rental fee even if I cannot download the second movie until I am done with the first, which means after the flight.)

Q: Should I rent SD or HD versions of these two movies, so that they both fit?

- If Photos cleans out half its space and iOS cleans out temporary files of these three apps (damn Facebook) and others contract by 200MB, HD will fit.

vs.

- Let me check the amount of my free space

This could easily be solved with iOS directly showing the free space that would be available with Photos going into complete thumbnail mode. But that is not what Apple wants you to do, in Apple's mind the ideal solution is nobody has to do such things. The ideal solution is the iTunes store app showing you how much free space you have when you are about to rent a movie. Essentially like a low battery warning, as in 'If you rent this movie your free space will fall below 3 GB'. Or at least something like: 'You cannot rent this movie because you don't have enough space'. Apple's goal is that you don't have to manually decide which photos you want on and which you want to remove.

In the meantime, if or while the above doesn't work yet, you'd likely be able to predict relatively easily how much of the storage space the Photos app will give up when push comes to shove, just based on trying it out and you will just have to add the free space to the space taken up by photos (just two lines above the free space number) minus that minimum Photos storage needs.
 
Even the high-end 1 TB plan may not be enough for some users who have a lot of photos, requiring them to either archive some photos outside of the service or simply opt to not use iCloud Photo Library at all.

Well that was my question. My wife's iPhoto is just reaching the 1TB level, due to a combination of movies and photos and kids from birth to 5 years.

Yes we could manage those photos better - what would be great if there was a way to easily archive the lesser photos so that our primary Mac had the combination of iCloud library and the archived videos, but everything else just had the iCloud library.

Due to our library size, I'd rather keep the full sized photos on my Mac and optimised photos (and videos) in the cloud for syncing to devices - plus use iCloud to transfer full-size photos from other devices to my Mac. But as I understand it, that would prevent editing of photos on other devices.
 
Well that was my question. My wife's iPhoto is just reaching the 1TB level, due to a combination of movies and photos and kids from birth to 5 years.

Yes we could manage those photos better - what would be great if there was a way to easily archive the lesser photos so that our primary Mac had the combination of iCloud library and the archived videos, but everything else just had the iCloud library.

Due to our library size, I'd rather keep the full sized photos on my Mac and optimised photos (and videos) in the cloud for syncing to devices - plus use iCloud to transfer full-size photos from other devices to my Mac. But as I understand it, that would prevent editing of photos on other devices.


A NAS makes more sense for people with huge amounts of photos and videos. Keep what you're willing to pay for on iCloud and stuff you want to save but not pay to keep monthly on a NAS and a USB drive.

We use a WD My Book Live, an external USB 1TB drive, cloud storage, and local storage (Mac and iPhone). That way if one service or device fails or even a couple of them all at once our data is still protected.
 
Thanks I get that but I still think it sounds like a complex/ unnecessary way to solve something that should have been made with a better family solution

They have to start somewhere. First get it to work properly for individual accounts and then add features for sharing a photo library (not that wouldn't exist already, just not as automated as you would like it to be and with a image size reduction).

What you essentially want is to use different AppleIDs for different services (ie, you and your wife use one ID for the iCloud Photo Library but for things like contacts you'd want to use separate IDs). This is currently only possible for the iTunes and the App Store which can use a different AppleID than the rest of the phone. But I doubt that will ever be rolled out for all different services, it just creates too much confusion even if for some people it would allow them to tailor exactly how their phone behaves. If you use different providers for different services, then this obviously works but it is not a given provider allows something like this for its services (eg, use ID 1 for folder A in Dropbox and ID 2 for folder B).

No, the only solution that will come will be one using explicit sharing features (as they already exist with Shared Photo Streams). Let's imagine a something under the Family sharing umbrella. Their could be a master ID into which everybody can post photos, the question is whether all people in a family will be happy with sharing all their photos. If not, should people something like different tabs between ones 'own' photos and the shared one (as the Shared tab that already exists). You'd then need a preference setting for whether to share all photos with the shared pool or only selected ones manually. And should everybody be able to delete any photo from the shared pool? Or is that yet another setting?

My point is that simplicity and behaviour tailed to different people's needs is hard to achieve. Not that Apple should strive to do so, but there will always some tension between the two.
 
I really really want to like the service, but I still think it's in it's infancy. I wanted a cloud syncing solution where I could make simple edits, delete photos, upload my own photos and my wifes photos to the same library, have cross platform compatibility (iOS and Android) and not have to leave lots of the features of Aperture behind...

We settled on Adobe's Photography Plan - comes with Lightroom and Photoshop subscriptions and allows my wife and I to manage and upload photos to the same library. Oh ya and it's only $10.50 a month. The best part is you can't delete images from your main Lightroom library from your mobile devices... or should I say my kids can't. You just tag them as rejected and delete them later on the computer.

Maybe one day I will switch back to iPhoto - as I do like the GUI better, but as far as library management Lightroom is far far ahead in my mind.

I should mention I have been using Apple's media solutions (iPhoto, iMovie etc) for the past 15 years... it's really hard to switch.
 
Honestly, this photo fiasco has dragged on for so long and has gotten so complicated that I've gotten scared, have disabled anything photo-related on iCloud, and just sit here with iPhoto '09 and a local library. This stuff is very un-Apple-like. I'll bet the majority of users have given up on trying to figure out all the nuances of Photo Stream.
What "fiasco"? Automatic backups and syncing between iOS devices seem to work fine for everybody I know.
 
I like the new Photos app. well designed, much cleaner and simpler than iPhoto. I just hope it doesn't start beach balling me once I import my entire library. That was my main beef with iPhoto and why I stopped using it. It was just ridiculous how slow that thing got after a while.

I'm still not having success syncing albums across devices though. Created two albums in Photos, but they're not showing up on my other devices.
 
Actually, on 8.1.3, you can go to Photos > Albums, HOLD the + button (not tap) and it'll give you the option to create a folder. From there, it doesn't seem to support nested folders right now, though.

Maybe it's hidden currently because it's not ready yet?

Never knew about this. Just tested it out and sure enough it works.

Just to add to your tip, after you create a folder if you select "Edit" within the folder and new "+" will appear in the upper left corner. Hold down that "+" and you can create a nested folder.

Great tip!
 
Iphone albums to mac

Sooo I thought that the whole point of this new photos other then naming it the same as iPhone was that albums would finally sync form iPhone to mac. I just imported my new albums i just made on iPhone into photos app and the photos all sync in but STILL NOT THE ALBUMS CREATED ON THE IPHONE.. Please advise!! this is nuts.. This should not be a difficult feature, nor should I have to pay for iCloud storage to use all this.. if i plug my iPhone in and sync it should do the same as if i got the cloud storage
 
Never knew about this. Just tested it out and sure enough it works.

Just to add to your tip, after you create a folder if you select "Edit" within the folder and new "+" will appear in the upper left corner. Hold down that "+" and you can create a nested folder.

Great tip!

Haha yeah, there are quite a few places in iOS where tapping and holding procures different results. It's kind of like OS X and holding the alt/option key and seeing a different option pop up in place.

Interesting that Apple doesn't make folder creation in iOS Photos obvious, though. Probably because they wanted to leave it for testing purposes until IPL is fully rolled out. I wonder how deep nested folders can go, hmm.
 
Sooo I thought that the whole point of this new photos other then naming it the same as iPhone was that albums would finally sync form iPhone to mac. I just imported my new albums i just made on iPhone into photos app and the photos all sync in but STILL NOT THE ALBUMS CREATED ON THE IPHONE.. Please advise!! this is nuts.. This should not be a difficult feature, nor should I have to pay for iCloud storage to use all this.. if i plug my iPhone in and sync it should do the same as if i got the cloud storage

So I was having the opposite problem as mentioned above..... but it turns out, it works now. I think the issue was that the phone hadn't completed uploading all of its photos yet. You might be having a similar issue. I'd just let it run its course.
 
Sooo I thought that the whole point of this new photos other then naming it the same as iPhone was that albums would finally sync form iPhone to mac. I just imported my new albums i just made on iPhone into photos app and the photos all sync in but STILL NOT THE ALBUMS CREATED ON THE IPHONE.. Please advise!! this is nuts.. This should not be a difficult feature, nor should I have to pay for iCloud storage to use all this.. if i plug my iPhone in and sync it should do the same as if i got the cloud storage


Yes you should have to pay. Same as any other cloud storage. And none work as well integrated into OS X or iOS as this.
 
Yes you should have to pay. Same as any other cloud storage. And none work as well integrated into OS X or iOS as this.

The integration really is quite awesome. Now that I've got it working, it's just so much easier to use than some other third party syncing service. Now let's just hope photos don't get haphazardly deleted.
 
The integration really is quite awesome. Now that I've got it working, it's just so much easier to use than some other third party syncing service. Now let's just hope photos don't get haphazardly deleted.


I also use OneDrive with O365 so as photos are taken on my phone or downloaded from my Mac they should also get picked up.


I hope everyone is using redundant systems and backups. I know not everyone is but these days its pretty easy to backup everything.
 
Question. So I have photos app. Turned on the photo library on all devices . (Optimize storage) took a few days but it uploaded my 26,000 photo and video library to cloud . That all shows on my phone but my phones ability to pull up photos is absolutely crippled . For example when I'm in a text and hit the camera button to pull up photos to send from the moment when I hit the camera to when the photos tab comes up its about 20 seconds instead of the usuall immediately or 1-2 seconds . The same applies to any app that needs to pull up your photos (instagram) . Is anyone else experiencing the extreme slowdown of pulling their photos up ? Also it's been 2 weeks (I got the photos app under my Dev account when they got it ) and my phone still says uploading even tho everything is there and my computer says its up to date . PLEASE HELP!
 
What "fiasco"? Automatic backups and syncing between iOS devices seem to work fine for everybody I know.

People in my family, including me, have had issues with Photo Stream chewing up space on iPhones. Also some other strange problems I don't really remember.
 
They have to start somewhere. First get it to work properly for individual accounts and then add features for sharing a photo library (not that wouldn't exist already, just not as automated as you would like it to be and with a image size reduction).



What you essentially want is to use different AppleIDs for different services (ie, you and your wife use one ID for the iCloud Photo Library but for things like contacts you'd want to use separate IDs). This is currently only possible for the iTunes and the App Store which can use a different AppleID than the rest of the phone. But I doubt that will ever be rolled out for all different services, it just creates too much confusion even if for some people it would allow them to tailor exactly how their phone behaves. If you use different providers for different services, then this obviously works but it is not a given provider allows something like this for its services (eg, use ID 1 for folder A in Dropbox and ID 2 for folder B).



No, the only solution that will come will be one using explicit sharing features (as they already exist with Shared Photo Streams). Let's imagine a something under the Family sharing umbrella. Their could be a master ID into which everybody can post photos, the question is whether all people in a family will be happy with sharing all their photos. If not, should people something like different tabs between ones 'own' photos and the shared one (as the Shared tab that already exists). You'd then need a preference setting for whether to share all photos with the shared pool or only selected ones manually. And should everybody be able to delete any photo from the shared pool? Or is that yet another setting?



My point is that simplicity and behaviour tailed to different people's needs is hard to achieve. Not that Apple should strive to do so, but there will always some tension between the two.


Yes I agree. But I want, and I assume a ton of people feel the same, to treat photo albums the same way that I do with old fashioned photo albums. It seems the way apple set it up is that everyone wants to be a photographer while what I use photos for is to share memories with my family, and not much else.
So in my opinion photos should behave like calendars. You share an album the same way you would share a calendar. And you can have as many events in that calendar as you want. Whomever is in your family can share the same data plan and be part of that album. I mean iCloud share app purchases, which is a greater loss than data, except it goes from developers pockets and not apple.
 
People in my family, including me, have had issues with Photo Stream chewing up space on iPhones. Also some other strange problems I don't really remember.


Once I turned on iCloud Photo Library I turned Photostream off. I went under settings on my phone, and once Photo Library is turned on Photostream was using something like 200KB of data. No point in keeping it on once you transition. YMMV.

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Yes I agree. But I want, and I assume a ton of people feel the same, to treat photo albums the same way that I do with old fashioned photo albums. It seems the way apple set it up is that everyone wants to be a photographer while what I use photos for is to share memories with my family, and not much else.
So in my opinion photos should behave like calendars. You share an album the same way you would share a calendar. And you can have as many events in that calendar as you want. Whomever is in your family can share the same data plan and be part of that album. I mean iCloud share app purchases, which is a greater loss than data, except it goes from developers pockets and not apple.


You have to look at the bigger picture outside of your genuine desires and see how people would misuse being able to share everything. A group of friends and such would just 'share' everything and pose as a family. People are cheapskates and will abuse everything they can just to save a few bucks.

I don't see iCloud storage plans being a part of Family Sharing but what has stopped my wife and I from using it is IAP's like ad removal and dev's get to choose if their app is shared or not. We reverted back to our old way of sharing my Apple ID for iTunes and2 the App Store yet having different Apple ID's for iCloud. This way we have our own email accounts and data yet share apps, music purchases (and especially iTunes Match), and only (now) have to have our own 20GB/mo plans.

But overall I agree there could be some cleaning up of the new Family Sharing and overall system of having different users sharing the same content be it apps, pictures or even paid stuff through the app store or iTunes. We tried family sharing and even with her setup as a parent/guardian we ran into problems on her phone of downloading apps and getting error messages. Then iTunes Match does not transfer over and theres just too many negatives at this point.
 
how to NOT DELETE photos

I'm using the beta photo app and can't figure out how to NOt DELETE something from all devices. As far as I can see, if I delete a photo from an iDevice or the cloud, it deletes the photo from everywhere. Am I missing something obvious? In other words, do I no longer have a master photo library?
 
Yes I agree. But I want, and I assume a ton of people feel the same, to treat photo albums the same way that I do with old fashioned photo albums. It seems the way apple set it up is that everyone wants to be a photographer while what I use photos for is to share memories with my family, and not much else.
So in my opinion photos should behave like calendars. You share an album the same way you would share a calendar. And you can have as many events in that calendar as you want. Whomever is in your family can share the same data plan and be part of that album. I mean iCloud share app purchases, which is a greater loss than data, except it goes from developers pockets and not apple.
Shared Photo Streams already come close to that. It's not the full resolution but old fashioned physical photo albums also did not contain the full resolution. And it's not fully automatic but neither did images end up in physical photo albums fully automatically.

But Shared Photo Streams are already similar to a shared calendar. Events don't automatically appear in shared calendars, you have to add them to them. And you can have as many photos in the Shared Photo Stream as you can have events in a shared calendar.

It is not that Shared Photo Streams could not be improved (the size reduction is one aspect, only the poster of images can delete them). But from the general concept they are exactly what you want, a shared place where everybody (that has been invited) can post pictures into.

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I'm using the beta photo app and can't figure out how to NOt DELETE something from all devices. As far as I can see, if I delete a photo from an iDevice or the cloud, it deletes the photo from everywhere. Am I missing something obvious? In other words, do I no longer have a master photo library?

You do have a master photo library, but the library on all your devices will automatically sync to this master photo library (with the exception of 'optimising storage' which results in images not showing up in their full resolution when space is tight on a given device).

Or seen differently, you have a virtual master library. One that can be seen, accessed, and modified from any device (including the web browser).

A synced library wouldn't be a synced library if deleting an image on one devices wouldn't also delete it on other devices. And the main feature of the iCloud Photo Library is that it is a synced library.
 
After trying it I have arrived to the conclusion that atleast to me it's more convenient to just sync the pictures I want. This way iTunes syncs optimized versions that don't consume any more data while browsing.

In the meanwhile, IPL consumes data while flicking through pictures and it adds.

Another thing: privacy. If I take pictures that i want private I don't have that option. They will appear in all my devices and even if they are hidden they are easily accesible in the "hidden" album.
 
Work flow while traveling?

Is there a viable 'iCloud Photos' work flow while traveling with limited or no WiFi? We travel with SDHD carded cameras, iPhone 4s,and a WiFi only iPad Air. The days photo image accumulation, from all devices, is cable connected to a MBAir/Aperture for storage, pre-processing, and to clear the memory cards. Seldom on a cruise or remote location is there enough WiFi bandwidth to support any service other than text messaging or eMail. Once home the MBAir Aperture library is merged to an iMac for final filing, editing, storage and backup.

Is there a better workflow solution, through the new 'iCloud Photo' to eliminate all the photo image transferring I am currently doing - Given the WiFi service situation?
 
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