iControl iTunes Player for iPhone?

[i.maverick]

So would it stream from your iTunes library to your iPhone? Or would you use the iPhone as a remote control for iTunes to play music on your Mac and over AirTunes?

If the latter, then it sounds like Salling Clicker, which I use every day on my N95. The absence of a Salling Clicker-like application for the iPhone has so far been one of the several reasons I'm staying with Nokia for now.

So this is good news... hope it's true.

SL

oh yeah.. salling clicker, those were good times.
but i think this would be streaming.
like what simplify media are doing for jailbroken iphones.

 

[BongoBanger]

I think were close to bottoming out our differences here 🙂

I think so, the main difference is that you're a bull and I'm a bear. It's all good.

3) Xerox - aah this old chestnut - I think Apple were pretty fair but FUD tries to paint it otherwise

You say poe-tay-toe I say ph-tah-toe. The main point is that neither Apple or Ms are the guys ion the white hats.

Leopard on Mac hardware is the best experience money can buy - if you can afford it

I agree here, but...

but I agree many can't so they have to buy a cheap nasty Acer or Dell for $400 and 'get by'.

...this isn't strictly true. You can get a lot of nice laptops for less than $1,000 which is a significant price point for many people. Of course there are those who are looking for budget.

5) What choice did they ever have - corporates may buy better hardware but they've always been stuck with running MS O/S. Just 3 years ago that was ok but things have changed - Leopard IS better by a good margin.

For personal use. For corporate use it would be a bit better if we were on a level playing field but we're not - MS apps are so heavily entrenched it's difficult to look beyond them. Now if MS make the same mistakes they did with Vista for Windows 7 I think a lot of them will seriously consider switching. However, as most businesses still use XP it's not such an issue.

Gut feeling is that Vista will probably be skipped over by most big organisations and they'll stick with XP until W7 comes out. That's when the hard choices will have to be made.

Bottom Line is Apple will continue to grow because they know where they are going - MS will continue to decline because they don't and therefore can only follow Apple.

I kind of agree with this. As a stockholder it dismays me that Ballmer continues to stumble along blindly. Bill may have been a bastard but you knew that he had a plan.

 

[antoniojvr]

Remote Buddy

Remote Buddy has some of this functionality already. I use it almost every day.

 

[BongoBanger]

besides the fact that what all you said is mostly crap, and i would not want to waste my time to counter all of it, ill just say that yes, MS are not standing still.
they're going down.
they're losing.
wake up.
i think you haven't read much of economics, target markets, product diversification and pricing either.
simple fact, what currently apple has, MS wish they had. so they went out copying and knocking over whatever they could.
but couldn't do a good job of that too.
😛

People who say they don't have time to counter an argument generally can't. From the content of your post and your posting history you are no exception to this rule.

You could learn a lot from surfermonk - I don't agree with all his points but I can see his rationale behind them. But it's easier to make silly statements than do that, right?

 

[BongoBanger]

While I agree with many of your points, on this one I just can't. Windows is seen as a problem by many, many people. In my sphere of influence alone 5 people are Mac users now and 2 are seriously considering them simply because Windows has been so problematic for them. All I have to do is let them use my PowerBook for a while and they're sold.

Fair point. Would it be fair to say that these people have a decent amount of disposable capital though?

 

[fluidedge]

omg shut up you lot - you think any of your comments are remotely original or fresh?

have a thought of your own rather than regurgitating the same old fanboi crap

 

[BongoBanger]

Vista is pretty dysfunctional, compared to XP, especially if you have UAC turned on (there is no way to turn off WGA).

I think 'dysfunctional' is too strong a word. I've been using Vista on my desktop for about five months now and once you get it all set up it's pretty much OK. The only issue I have left with it is that it doesn't like nVidia drivers at all.

Unfortunately, Leopard, in the name of security, has also added some of the stupid ideas such as a confirmation on opening a new application. However, new and useful features such as Time Machine, more than make up for this.

True. Vista has a few as well but isn't as intuitive as Leopard.

Office is not a sign of MS innovation. Do you know how OLD it is? It started off as a great product, and got entrenched in business circles when MS made the correct decision to model Excel less as a mathematical spreadsheet, and more as a list building application. Lotus, and the other competitors took the other route, and suffered because of that.

Yes, but that's the point. They constantly improve it - the ribbon on 2007 is an example. At first glance it was "My God! What have they done!" but it's actually pretty nice once you get used to it.

This is assuming that Apple is more expensive. Apple hardware is certainly more expensive, but their software is FAR cheaper. Especially at the server level, moving to an Apple base can save a mid-size company tons of money. This does not hold true for larger companies which owing to their size can negotiate with MS to bring down their costs, however.

Agree with this point with the addition it's not only MS that they negotiate with - most large scale businesses buy or more likely lease their PCs and as such need to be able to make hardware choices based on cost and service. Apple with their lock in to their own hardware don't allow this and it's a major blocker for them to progress in the corporate market.

Apple does not have an appalling strategy outside the US. What is true, however, is macs did not have a market outside the US. The reason was not marketing, but the fact that computer markets have had cycles.

Don't agree here. Western Europe has decent penetration of Mac products but the marketing has been woeful, particularly in the case of the iPhone where some pretty fundamental mistakes were made.

Computers started off being very expensive, then got extremely cheap and became a commodity. In the US, there is now a move away from this commodity status of computers and people are buying high-end expensive computers.

Some are. Most people just look for a nice beige (or more likely black) box.

(Dell's purchase of Alienware, and the rise in Apple macs is a sign of this). However, the rest of the world has always been behind the US as far as computer markets are concerned.

Again I disagree here because I think we're confusing disposable income and computer awareness. Western Europe is very affluent - probably more so than the US - but its markets and expectations are different.

Most of the world has not moved out of the commodity period, and so there will never be a mac market internationally until that happens.

Agree to a degree here.

On the other hand, the ipod is a striking example of how Apple does indeed understand international markets. Its tremendously popular all over the world (except, maybe China, where IP theft and lots of entrepreneurial activity allow Chinese companies to undercut the ipod price tremendously).

True, the iPhone is the other side of the coin though. In fairness they're different markets though. No-one would argue with the iPod's success though.

In general, however, I can see why Apple might want to license out the iphone OS. I think there might be parallels between the computer market of the 80's and the phone market of now, with Google's Android being the DOS of the old. However, these parallels only go so far, because a) phones are currently a primarily consumer oriented market, while computers in the 80's were a business and technical market. b) RIM has shown that companies are not afraid to purchase their phones from a single company (however, even they have begun interoperating with Symbian and Windows Mobile phones). Maybe Apple needs to focus on inter-operability rather than licensing out the OS.

Agree here. My main problem with Apple just now is the damn closed shop mentality they have. If they open up things a bit - and as you mention still retain a good degree of control - they stand to make billions upon billions. I just worry that it's not in Steve Job's make up to do this.

 

[BongoBanger]

omg shut up you lot - you think any of your comments are remotely original or fresh?

have a thought of your own rather than regurgitating the same old fanboi crap

Hi, thanks for popping into our discussion to complain about it.

Your comments are noted. In the meantime we suggest you read some of the hundreds of other topics available to you.

 

[twoodcc]

alright. now i hope this is true. i could use this feature

 

[gusapple]

This sounds kind of like what Eye TV has going on. Except a little more localized.

 

[i.maverick]

People who say they don't have time to counter an argument generally can't. From the content of your post and your posting history you are no exception to this rule.

You could learn a lot from surfermonk - I don't agree with all his points but I can see his rationale behind them. But it's easier to make silly statements than do that, right?

well.. have u looked at your history banga?
so let me get this straight, u don't like apple products because they do not have their marketing strategy right for markets outside the U.S?

and u got a PC coz ms have a good enough strategy for you?
i really am starting to believe you are the guy that :starred: in the recent vista sales video.
whatever turns you on.
:ballmer:

 

[cheekybobcat]

Sounds like a good app to me. As it has been said though, I don't like the fact that it seems like a computer has to be on but how much can we expect...

There is a lot of petty arguing on this thread too...

 

[jamesaberry]

Not sure if can add the option of utilizing the iPhone/Touch screen to access and control the MacMini remotely or through a cable. 🙂

Imagine the possibilities:

Have all your music on a MacMini hook it up to a sound system and control it via an iPod/Touch and you now have a Digital DJ.

or

Have all your movies on a MacMini hook it up to a home entertainment system and you have yourself a pseudo Cineplex.

or

Hook up a USB Jump Drive to a MacMini connected to a projector in the office and you are set to do you presentations via the iPhone/Touch.



There work on those solutions. 🙂

At home we have a PBook hooked up to a 37" Samsung and a 500Gb WD MyBook Pro. There is an Airport Express hooked up to a Nad Amp and AE Evo 3 Speakers.

I can open Front Row on the plasma, using Sailing Clicker, and access ALL our DVDs (I have converted to .Mov and stored on the MyBook, with every movie having an alias in my Home > Movies folder so Front Row will pick them up). I have all the DVD boxsets ripped and stored in iTunes as TV Shows, again available through Front Row.

Music vids and music are all stored there too, again playable through Front Row and the music streamed to the Airport Express through Airfoil.

So we have a complete hook up via my old laptop!

On top of that I can access the iTunes server through either Simplify Media via the internet, or locally from the wifi (20Mbps connection via cable!)

So I am never without my music!

 

[98707]

What it will come down to

Android running on everything from htc to nokias

Windows mobile will strike back on the same platforms

Symbian is there too (they try)

Apple with the iPhone, ipod touch, who knows- maybe the the newton 2 at over 1 gigahertz running the mac mobile os.



You buy your phone and choose your software.. most likely other companies will mimic Apple's phone integration with itunes and allow you to make backups of all data, contacts, whatever, as well as choose your software.

All will have good reputations (believe it or not vista is an amazing os that I use every day; no fanboi allowed Windows is what it is for a reason. If it doesn't work for you its your own fault. It's licensed remember? What would you do if Mac OS X didn't 'just work' perfectly on the Apple hardware.. it would get bashed to ****.. but Apple has taken the stance of not licensing for a reason. But don't expect the Apple market-share to ever surpass MS. You get what you paid so much more for) with large amounts of development from all over. Apple will stay in the game as a niche product (but everyone wants the iphone because its expensive and new and touchy; which means they will sell an above average amount. They want to make it as big as the ipod was.. only M$ and Google are ready to throw down the hammer and not let this one slip by.

Just as the RAZR was expensive and hot back in its day.. the iPhone is the same.. sure Apple will do it better than Motorola did, but it is going to slow once 2009 rolls around and every device is packed with features at competitive prices.

 

[addicted44]

This sounds like a really good application.

I like how Apple is integrating their myriad of products, to make the whole Apple ecosystem so much easier to use. I wish they would get more aggressive at this thought. They need to take hints from Google in this respect (although Apple has to do the integration at the hardware level, which is a lot harder than the software level integration Google does). I initially only used Google Search (who doesnt!) and Blogger. They then tied in everything they own with blogger, and I have now started using Youtube, Picasa Web Folders, Adsense, News, and GMail in addition to those 2 Google products I originally used. The first few were through direct integration into the blog, and the last couple were because I was using my Google Account a lot more, and decided to explore it further.

 

[addicted44]

Android running on everything from htc to nokias

I dont know much about Android, but I wonder how effective it will be, considering the variety of phones it seeks to support. What target features will developers develop for? Will they completely forsake motion sensing (for example) because 50% plus phones wont have it? In that case, will Android devolve into a Java like "Least common denominator" platform?

Its gonna be an interesting next couple of years, seeing how all these technologies and different thought processes evolve. Apple has taken a fantastic first strike with the iphone, and stands with the best business strategy, IMO, to succeed in this market...

 

[ebouwman]

Isn't this what RemoteBuddy does already?

Or Have I got the wrong end of the stick?!

Isn't remote buddy just a web app though? Does look like the same thing i guess, but if it was integrated it would be a bit nicer.

mmmmmm iPod touch as a remote control....

 

[notnek]

I think I'd rather use Simplify Media because then i can stream from anywhere, not just close proximity.

 

[MacFly123]

I agree - The iphone/ipod touch like devices are the future of computing. having said that, I wonder if apple will open up the iphone or at least its apps to other device manufactures?

That may sound crazy, but didn't apple lose the computer OS wars to windows by not licensing the apple OS back when it still had a chance?

Eventually other manufactures are going to come up with a shared nearly adequate alternative to the itouch/iphone interface, and through cut throat competition with each other they will eventually produce devices at half of apples equivalent retail price and apple will start to lose its potential market share and once again become a niche player rather than the markets dominant force.

I'm just speculating of course - is this going to play out the same way as the OS war? (except with googles "android" replacing microsofts windows) or is this more like the ipod story? (with apple being the dominant).

Should apple license the iphone/itouch to other device makers? (thereby taking a cut on every phone sold)

Or should they "stay the course" and shout "bring them on!"?

it could be the difference between apple selling 1 billion "itouch interfaces" a year (including a couple hundred million devices of their own) or selling less than 50 million devices a year (not terrible, but still only 5% market share, and remember no one will be buying standalone ipods in 5 years time)

1 billion "touch interfaces" licensed at $10-$20 a piece = 10 to 20 billion cash a year in almost pure profit!

Even if they don't license the iphone OS, Does anyone think it will be long before we see linux/android/windows mobile emulators to enable people to run the iphone apps on non-iphones??? (maybe this is why apple is insisting on apps only being sold threw itunes - to make it as hard as possible to get the apps on other phones!)

my 2c.🙂

You are mistaken in thinking market share is the only measure of success - product excellence, happy customers are surely better gauges ?

However, let's look at the cold hard facts ;

Apple's turnover this year will hit over $30billion by selling 40m ipods, 10m iphones and 10 million macs.

Microsoft are on track for $60 billion selling 92% of the worlds operating systems and office software. That's half of Microsoft's T/O!.

If Apple sell 40m ipods, 40m iphones and just 20m macs they will eclipse Microsoft's turnover and socially relegate them to 'has-been'.

So, they don't need to license the technology - their current momentum and roadmap will accomplish this already. Licensing will only dilute their own excellence by letting confusion muddy who and what Apple create.

This is why Microsoft are crapping themselves - you see Microsoft has NEVER experienced true competition - NEVER EVER!

Apple, (duh - John 'I gave it all to Microsoft' Sculley) 'kicked' Steve Jobs out of the door before this thing ever got started. The Apple of the nineties was NOT competition.

In summary :

This is the decade when we have truly seen what Apple and Steve Jobs can accomplish and the results are nothing short of staggering.

What's more - it's only just begun....

Exactly! If Apple let other people have the iPhone OS or Apps it would totally ruin their reputation, user experience, and brand of excellence. I can't stress how important it is when Steve says a company that is serious about software should make their own hardware. That is what makes Apple what they are!

This is more like the iPod revolution, I mean with all that the iPhone is, it is also an iPod. So really it is like the iPod was a segue product to the real future.

It is interesting to watch it literally playing out like the Computer OS revolution did. Now Microsoft is making the same move as they did before trying to license the software and completely rip off the iPhone OS (http://microsoft.blognewschannel.co...bile-7-to-focus-on-touch-and-motion-gestures/). It is going to be the same story of buggy software ridden with viruses on crappy PC like phone hardware with compatibility problems.

Apple just needs to stay the course and open up the iPhone to any network worldwide as soon as they can, and after that it will be over! Can we say 700MHz spectrum??? 😀

 

[CWallace]

If this means the next iPhone gets 802.11n, that would be sweet. Soon my iPhone will be the only device in my network that doesn't support 802.11n and I'd like to get it "up to spec" as well. 😎

 

[BrianMojo]

I also want my iPhone & Touch to control my ATV. 🙂

Bingo.

 

[Telp]

It seems to me that they are really starting to put a lot more effort into the phone and allowing it to live up to the phones expectations. Can't wait to see what June Brings us (July...Whatever)...

 

[BWhaler]

I would buy this in a heart beat.

But what I REALLY want is over-the-air syncing via my .mac account. (It would be weird for only Microsoft exchange customers to get this feature.) That would make .mac worth 100 bucks alone.

 

[BWhaler]

If this means the next iPhone gets 802.11n, that would be sweet. Soon my iPhone will be the only device in my network that doesn't support 802.11n and I'd like to get it "up to spec" as well. 😎

That would be sweet, for sure.

Still got the PS3 and Wii on the old g network. Oh, gaming companies...

 

[vwDavid]

about freakin time

Its about freakin time.

I only e-mailed Steve Jobs my idea about a wireless digital remote with universal computer remote control and access about 3 years ago. First they make the iphone and ipod touch and now this remote control software. I never get any credit...😎🙄