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Idle Android Devices Send Data to Google Nearly 10 Times More Often Than iOS Devices do to Apple, Research Finds

DNichter said: ↑
It's not, the X is awful when it comes to battery life. All other tests that say it is good are false or have Apple bias. This is probably the main reason why the X doesn't sell and the Note absolutely destroys the iPhone when it comes to sales. The biggest screen, the biggest battery, the most RAM, the most cores, the biggest stylus - it just can't be beat. The puny iPhone will never come close to the powerhouse Note.

"Destroys the iPhone in sales"? LOL! What planet are you on?
 
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falainber said:
So, how exactly did it harm your friend? BTW, there is no such thing as tracking on/off setting on Android. There is on/off switch for GPS which I am sure worked as advertised. Also is it any different than iOS 11 not actually disabling BT and WiFi when user switches them off in Control Center?
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Mate, I'm just relaying the story. He's in IT, he was a MASSIVE Android fan and now he's not because of the privacy concerns. Like Jack Palance used to say, "Believe it or not". He actually still prefers several of the functions and settings on Android.

Tracking on/off... whatever. I have no idea what the setting is called because I couldn't be arsed. Just look the bloody article up on Google. But I'm sure you actually already know exactly what it is...
 
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I7guy said:
And so what? Is Apple supposed to block google? Apple is not there to police the internet. They have there own house in order, they are. It responsible for the internet. And more power to them, if google pony’s up $1B.
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Block Google? No. Collection billions from them in secret agreements that enables Google's business model while publicly lambasted Google's customer-as-product business model? No.
 
ROGmaster said:
Oh sales, of course, as soon as the discussions is not ultimately favorable for the iphone we have to start talking about those sales numbers. Sales is what makes an phone ultimately better. Oh and profits, let's not forget about those.
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Maybe because the counter to some of the perennial iPhone and Apple bashing is sales and profits. A reminder from the universe to those who engage in hyperbole.
 
BootsWalking said:
Block Google? No. Collection billions from them in secret agreements that enables Google's business model while publicly lambasted Google's customer-as-product business model? No.
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Nothing wrong with what they are doing. Whether they collect a fee or not, google is not altering its business practices. ios users can still get to google any number of ways. So let them collect the money.

Unless you are suggesting Apple totally block google.com from iOS.
 
hypertoast said:
There is a reason why things are open source providing the end-users ability to see whats really happening. Also, it helps identifying potential security pitfalls.

If open-source is no guarantee, then Apple's word is guarantee that they are absolutely anonymizing the data?
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By the way, that is NOT the main reason things are Open Source. It is merely a (questionably-effective) side-effect.

As I said, the fact that there are numbers of years and even DECADES-long "unseen" vulnerabilities (see, e.g., "Heartbleed"), and often, even when they ARE spotted, are never fixed, or not fixed for long periods of time.

https://www.csoonline.com/article/3...rce-software-security-challenges-persist.html

So, Open Source is certainly NOT a panacea, for all the reasons I stated previously.
 
organic bond said:
When I bought my great top of the line Samsung its price was almost half than the cheapest iPhone. When I bought a great Huawei Mate 10 Pro its price was less than half of an iPhone X.
At least be honest. But I know, Apple fan boys are not, they always bash Android without even knowing it. Nothing less than pathetic. And yes, I've been using Apple products since 1981. I still do. But an iPhone? Meh, no thanks!
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Are you comparing the discounted price of a Samsung to the full price of an iPhone? Because iPhones are also on sale from time to time... so you should be making a proper comparison.

Basically, I call BS. You did not buy a "great top of the line Samsung" for half the cost of an iPhone.
 
I7guy said:
Nothing wrong with what they are doing. Whether they collect a fee or not, google is not altering its business practices. ios users can still get to google any number of ways. So let them collect the money.

Unless you are suggesting Apple totally block google.com from iOS.
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Apple can't lambaste Google for their privacy-invading business model while at the same time collecting billions from them to enable their model by default on their own phones. Apple doesn't need to block Google to stop being hypcorites - they just have to stop making them the default search engine.
 
BootsWalking said:
Apple can't lambaste Google for their privacy-invading business model while at the same time collecting billions from them to enable their model by default on their own phones. Apple doesn't need to block Google to stop being hypcorites - they just have to stop making them the default search engine.
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Sure Apple can lambaste Google for a privacy-invading business model, while at the same time collecting money from Google.

Apple sued Samsung and I don't see Samsung turning away Apples business. Apple is not stopping IOS users from getting to google and therefore I don't find any conflict or hypocrisy in what they are doing. If you find some hypocrisy that is your opinion, but it won't change the outcome, meaning apple will continue to charge google.
 
Jsameds said:
Not when I use Apple Pay or cash.
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I’m afraid so...that Apple Pay transaction is being tracked by the retailer and the card provider who you are, where you are, and what you were paying for. Cash, harder, but every time you get the cash from the ATM, who, where when and how much....
 
Sounds like fear mongering. Most people don't care how chatty it is as long as the assistant is smart, navigation works and even targeted ads are better than random irrelevant ads.
 
ani4ani said:
I’m afraid so...that Apple Pay transaction is being tracked by the retailer and the card provider who you are, where you are, and what you were paying for. Cash, harder, but every time you get the cash from the ATM, who, where when and how much....
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Errr no. I think you need to brush up on the topic. And perhaps stop being so paranoid.
 
MacsRuleOthersDrool said:
By the way, that is NOT the main reason things are Open Source. It is merely a (questionably-effective) side-effect.

As I said, the fact that there are numbers of years and even DECADES-long "unseen" vulnerabilities (see, e.g., "Heartbleed"), and often, even when they ARE spotted, are never fixed, or not fixed for long periods of time.

https://www.csoonline.com/article/3...rce-software-security-challenges-persist.html

So, Open Source is certainly NOT a panacea, for all the reasons I stated previously.
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Both our opinions stand!
 
Jsameds said:
Errr no. I think you need to brush up on the topic. And perhaps stop being so paranoid.
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My friend, the last thing I am is paranoid. I am one of the 7 billion on the planet who actually couldn’t give a toss about the stupid IOS = garden of Eden : Android = sell my soul to the devil discussion, but anyone who thinks having Apple’s metaphoric arms wrapped around you some how means your are protected and invisible to the big bad world are delusional.
 
I7guy said:
Sure Apple can lambaste Google for a privacy-invading business model, while at the same time collecting money from Google.

Apple sued Samsung and I don't see Samsung turning away Apples business. Apple is not stopping IOS users from getting to google and therefore I don't find any conflict or hypocrisy in what they are doing. If you find some hypocrisy that is your opinion, but it won't change the outcome, meaning apple will continue to charge google.
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The patent disputes between Apple and Samsung are business. Apple's public disapproval of Google's business practices are a moral position, at least according to Apple's CEO. The patent disputes are not even remotely similar to this situation. Apple claims that Google's business model is immoral, yet collects billions of dollars to enable it on their own products. That's called hypocrisy.
 
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BootsWalking said:
The patent disputes between Apple and Samsung are business. Apple's public disapproval of Google's business practices are a moral position, at least according to Apple's CEO. The patent disputes are not even remotely similar to this situation. Apple claims that Google's business model is immoral, yet collects billions of dollars to enable it on their own products. That's called hypocrisy.
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Hypocrisy would be if you WEREN’T allowed to change the default search engine to anything other than google.
 
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FFR said:
Hypocrisy would be if you WEREN’T allowed to change the default search engine to anything other than google.
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That's like saying it's ok to lead people to a store you know rips them off because you're not forcing them to shop at that store and there are other stores they can choose to shop at. And getting a cut of the store's sales in the process.
 
BootsWalking said:
That's like saying it's ok to lead people to a store you know rips them off because you're not forcing them to shop at that store and there are other stores they can choose to shop at. And getting a cut of the store's sales in the process.
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That doesn’t make any sense.
So google is “ripping” people off.

If Apple didn’t offer google search, everyone would cry censorship.

They recommend duck duck go on their website.
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And as long as you don’t use chrome Apple affords it users protection against advertisers, cross site tracking, and even sandboxes websites.

But if the user installs chrome all bets are off...and that has nothing to do with Apple safaris default search engine.

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Atleast Apple doesn’t allow the third party browser to do anything when idle.
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BootsWalking said:
The patent disputes between Apple and Samsung are business. Apple's public disapproval of Google's business practices are a moral position, at least according to Apple's CEO. The patent disputes are not even remotely similar to this situation. Apple claims that Google's business model is immoral, yet collects billions of dollars to enable it on their own products. That's called hypocrisy.
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What would be hypocrisy (as @FFR noted) would be if Apple restricted access to only google. But Apple offers options and this is just business as usual.
 
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FFR said:
That doesn’t make any sense.
So google is “ripping” people off.

If Apple didn’t offer google search, everyone would cry censorship.

They recommend duck duck go on their website.
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Tim Cook claims that Google is stealing customers' privacy. That's ripping them off. And nobody is saying Apple shouldn't allow Google search - making it the default and getting paid to do so while claiming Google is evil is where the problem lies. If Apple is going to take the moral position that Google's business practices are wrong then they can't take the position that it's ok to earn money from Google to enable those practices by default. It's no more complicated than that.
 
BootsWalking said:
Tim Cook claims that Google is stealing customers' privacy. That's ripping them off. And nobody is saying Apple shouldn't allow Google search - making it the default and getting paid to do so while claiming Google is evil is where the problem lies. If Apple is going to take the moral position that Google's business practices are wrong then they can't take the position that it's ok to earn money from Google to enable those companies than practices by default. It's no more complicated than that.
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It is more complex than that. Apple either blocks google entirely or they are free to take money from them. And didn’t jobs start that remuneration?

Can you link to where cook said Google is stealing your privacy? Because I recall he said at Apple the customer is not the product.
 
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