Idle Android Devices Send Data to Google Nearly 10 Times More Often Than iOS Devices do to Apple, Research Finds

[ROGmaster]

What’s wrong with the phones arena chart.

It's not about that chart specifically(although the big difference between the 8 plus and the x in that chart is amusing) but their battery test in general. Simple fact, It's the most pathetic battery test online.
According to their test:
Both the S8+ (3500 mAh, 6.2") and Note8 (3300 mAh, 6.3") has less battery life than the S8 (3000 mAh, 5.8")
The Pixel XL (3450 mAh, 5.5") has less battery life than the Pixel (2770 mAh, 5")
The Nexus 6P (3450 mAh, 5.7" AMOELD) has less battery life than the Nexus 5X (2700 mAh, 5.2" IPS)
The Honor 8 Pro (4000 mAh, 5.7") has less battery life than the Honor 8 (3000 mAh, 5.2")

https://imgur.com/a/69KduBg

There is no way to prove that iphonearena's numbers are reliable as they never stood by the battery test numbers they post.
So saying that iphones battery life is a certain way because iphonearena says so is nonsense.

Phones arena is an android fansite

No it's not. It's a general smartphone news site where most writers are biased against Android.
A great example: https://www.phonearena.com/news/Bezel-less-is-not-a-thing-and-heres-why-it-shouldnt-be_id94609

 

[FFR]

It's not about that chart specifically(although the big difference between the 8 plus and the x in that chart is amusing) but their battery test in general. Simple fact, It's the most pathetic battery test online.
According to their test:
Both the S8+ (3500 mAh, 6.2") and Note8 (3300 mAh, 6.3") has less battery life than the S8 (3000 mAh, 5.8")
The Pixel XL (3450 mAh, 5.5") has less battery life than the Pixel (2770 mAh, 5")
The Nexus 6P (3450 mAh, 5.7" AMOELD) has less battery life than the Nexus 5X (2700 mAh, 5.2" IPS)
The Honor 8 Pro (4000 mAh, 5.7") has less battery life than the Honor 8 (3000 mAh, 5.2")

https://imgur.com/a/69KduBg

There is no way to prove iphonearena's numbers are reliable as they never stood by the battery test numbers they post.
So saying that iphones battery life is a certain way because iphonearena says so is nonsense.


No it's not.[b{ It's a general smartphone news site where most writers are biased towards Android.[/b]
A great example: https://www.phonearena.com/news/Bezel-less-is-not-a-thing-and-heres-why-it-shouldnt-be_id94609

Yeah biased towards android, that’s a fansite.

Even they didn’t like the notch #shocking
Shame on them for giving the s8 a great battery life score.....something must be wrong.


Phones arena is one of the only battery tests that focus on os parity.

Their tests aren’t compromised of you tube videos and open and closing apps.

 

[smoking monkey]

Still not a single specific example of privacy violations, just generic complaints about "shenanigans". Note that the research reported in this article is not about privacy violations, it's about data transfers. There could be a simple explanation for it: iPhone modem being slower and battery smaller hence Apple needs to limit data transfers to keep up with Android phones in battery life.

That's just silly.
Earlier this year there was that pretty major kerfuffle where Google were found to track people via cell towers even after users turned tracking OFF.
That is why my DIEHARD Android user mate changed to Apple. He still prefers some things on Android, he just couldn't accept the privacy issues with Android. I'm still shocked he changed. He was hardcore Android.

And Google have been fined for privacy violations as well... Google it!

As for there could be a simple explanation... there could, but considering Google's track record you'd be foolish to think that before thinking the negative.

 

[ROGmaster]

Yeah biased towards android, that’s a fansite.

Phones arena is one of the only battery tests that focus on os parity.

Their tests aren’t compromised of you tube videos and open and closing apps.

Yeah I wanted to write against android. Their writers obviously love iphones so iphonearena is not an android fan site.
Anyway my facts are there(you obviously haven't touched them). Phonearena's battery test are trash. There is no way a Galaxy S8 would have better battery life than an S8+ while just running a custom web-script which is basically all their battery test consists of.

But hey if deluding yourself makes you feel better and sleep better at night I'm not going to stay in the way of your happiness, so you can believe whatever you want. I just pointed out some simple facts about iphonearena's so called battery test.

Also why do you keep posting that chart with every single reply?
Aren't there any moderators on Macrumors, why is this permitted?

 

[FFR]

Yeah I wanted to write against android. Their writers obviously love iphones so iphonearena is not an android fan site.
Anyway my facts are there(you haven't touched them). Phonearena's battery test are trash. There is no way a Galaxy S8 would have better battery life than an S8+ while just running a custom web-script which is basically all their battery test consists of.

But hey if deluding yourself makes you feel better and sleep better at nigh I'm not going to stay in the way of your happiness, so you can believe whatever you want. I just pointed out some simple facts about iphonearena's so called battery test.

Also why do you keep posting that chart with every single reply?
Aren't there any moderator on Macrumors, why is this permitted?

At 200 nits brightness, as you mentioned a WebScript Versus android optimized sites like YouTube. Yeah must be biasses.

Yeah phones arena is biased towards Apple and not android. /s
They used to be a Nokia fansite before android.

The battery chart really seems to upset you.
Don’t know why it would be affecting your sleep.

 

[DNichter]

LoL again that absurd iphonearena chart.
It's basically the only site that shows the iphone in a competitive way in terms of battery life(or there was one more site that would only stress the power efficient cores most of the time). Users have contested iphonearena's battery scores for years and they never did anything to address their questions.

It's comparable with a much smaller battery no matter how you look at it. The fact that Apple can get better performance and comparable battery life with a much smaller battery is impressive. The X Plus will have no issue beating out the Note 9 in all aspects.
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This.

I may not be able to prevent myself from being tracked altogether, but I can at least take steps to mitigate this. Such as using Apple maps over google maps to prevent google from getting a complete picture.

iCloud mail over gmail.

DuckDuckGo over google search.

Safari over chrome.

At least there are alternatives.

Exactly. It comes down to the individual and what they personally value. Most Apple users seem to value privacy, Android users clearly don't. There is no wrong choice, although I certainly don't understand why you'd pay iPhone prices for an Android AND give up all your personal information.

 

[ROGmaster]

It's comparable with a much smaller battery no matter how you look at it. The fact that Apple can get better performance and comparable battery life with a much smaller battery is impressive. The X Plus will have no issue beating out the Note 9 in all aspects.

Nah Note 9's battery life is comfortably better while also having a much larger screen.Iphone x plus has some catching up to do.

https://imgur.com/a/hiG6r1S

 

[EdT]

i dont think that the reason anymore since andriod phones now a days are almost equal to iphone in termes of prices. i recently talked with some of my android friends and when i explained them that google is a ad company and collects your personal data they just had 1 reply "so what ? am i some important person ? who the **** cares about my info at google ?"

I’ve got a sister in law who implicitly TRUSTS Google and how they say that they handle handle privacy and personal information. Articles and information saying that Google is collecting and selling your private data are absolute lies and no documentation or examples showing otherwise are to be believed.

She’s an extreme example but most people I know don’t think that data mining is either going on or that there are negative consequences to them even if it is. And a majority of people will choose a cheaper product even if told that they will be monitored and personal data about them will be sold because they isn’t a little window that pops up and says I just sold company ‘X’ this information about you, your health, or your family and you don’t have any say in where it goes or how it’s used.

 

[DNichter]

Nah Note 9's battery life is comfortably better while also having a much larger screen.Iphone x plus has some catching up to do.

https://imgur.com/a/hiG6r1S

That link doesn't show anything. I am sure there are tests that say the X is close, some that say the Note is better. Not really worried about it in the long run. The Plus size iPhone's have always been best when it comes to battery life so I expect the same this year.

Here's another one that says iPhone X at 8 hours, 41 minutes, with the Note at 8 hours, 56 minutes. They are comparable in regards to the time, but the X is much more efficient.

https://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-9-vs-Apple-iPhone-X_id4553

 

[hypertoast]

He tried to, but there wasn't a Safari for Android.

And Open Source is absolutely NO guarantee that something will actually be seen, or more importantly, understood.

This research went the pragmatic route: Who cares what the code "says". What REALLY matter is what the code actually DOES.

...and he found out. Too bad the truth hurts!
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Keep telling yourself that...

There is a reason why things are open source providing the end-users ability to see whats really happening. Also, it helps identifying potential security pitfalls.

If open-source is no guarantee, then Apple's word is guarantee that they are absolutely anonymizing the data?

 

[ROGmaster]

That link doesn't show anything. I am sure there are tests that say the X is close, some that say the Note is better. Not really worried about it in the long run. The Plus size iPhone's have always been best when it comes to battery life so I expect the same this year.

Here's another one that says iPhone X at 8 hours, 41 minutes, with the Note at 8 hours, 56 minutes. They are comparable in regards to the time, but the X is much more efficient.

https://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-9-vs-Apple-iPhone-X_id4553

Most sites and reviewers will say that Note 9's battery life is comfortably better.

And the link absolutely works. The problem must be with the device you are using.

Anyway phonearena's battery test is trash.
If you want to claim that phonearena's battery test is viable in any objective way please explain how the result below between the Lenovo P2 and Huawei Mate 10 Pro is possible in any logical way. How can a phone with a smaller screen, close to stock android, a very efficient SOC and a 5100mah battery lose the the Mate 10 Pro in a battery test?

 

[hypertoast]

Most sites and reviewers will say that Note 9's battery life is comfortably better.

And the link absolutely works. The problem must be with the device you are using.

Anyway phonearena's battery test is trash.
If you want to claim that phonearena's battery test is viable in any objective way please explain how the result below between the Lenovo P2 and Huawei Mate 10 Pro is possible in any logical way. How can a phone with a smaller screen, close to stock android, a very efficient SOC and a 5100mah battery lose the the Mate 10 Pro in a battery test?

Just because its Stock android (or close to) doesn't mean battery life is great. Infact Stock Android does not offer the best battery... Its tweaked... Pixel/ Samsung phones and all have kernal tweaks which promote battery life. Bigger battery does not really mean much.

Also, I just wonder what will be the reaction if Iphones came up top in PhoneArenas battery tests... Would it still mean its Thrash?

 

[DNichter]

Most sites and reviewers will say that Note 9's battery life is comfortably better.

And the link absolutely works. The problem must be with the device you are using.

Anyway phonearena's battery test is trash.
If you want to claim that phonearena's battery test is viable in any objective way please explain how the result below between the Lenovo P2 and Huawei Mate 10 Pro is possible in any logical way. How can a phone with a smaller screen, close to stock android, a very efficient SOC and a 5100mah battery lose the the Mate 10 Pro in a battery test?

GSMArena? Ha, they're battery test is trash. I am kidding, it ultimately makes no difference to me. I would expect the Note to beat out the X in battery life tests, but it's comparable in most that I see.

 

[ROGmaster]

Just because its Stock android (or close to) doesn't mean battery life is great. Infact Stock Android does not offer the best battery... Its tweaked... Pixel/ Samsung phones and all have kernal tweaks which promote battery life. Bigger battery does not really mean much.

LoL the P2 has legendary battery life.
I owned the phone myself and often I got close to 15 SOT which is crazy for a phone, the S9+ typically gets 4 and half SOT for example.
It's absolutely impossible for the Mate 10 Pro to match P2's battery life(if both are working correctly of course).

Also, I just wonder what will be the reaction if Iphones came up top in PhoneArenas battery tests... Would it still mean its Thrash?

Well iphones perform unexpectedly great in phonearenas's tests but the point is also how inconsistent that battery test is.
How can an S8 have a better results than the S8+ in that test? Could you explain it?
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GSMArena? Ha, they're battery test is trash. I am kidding, it ultimately makes no difference to me. I would expect the Note to beat out the X in battery life tests, but it's comparable in most that I see.

No you want to believe that it's comparable. Big difference.
And the difference between you and me are the obvious arguments I bring to the table to support the idea that iphonearena's battery test is trash.

 

[hypertoast]

LoL the P2 has legendary battery life.
I owned the phone myself and often I got close to 15 SOT which is crazy for a phone, the S9+ typically gets 4 and half SOT for example.
It's absolutely impossible for the Mate 10 Pro to match P2's battery life(if both are working correctly of course).
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I am not saying that P2 has terrible battery. I was commenting on the general notion people have.. stock android = best battery life... its not always true!

 

[ROGmaster]

I am not saying that P2 has terrible battery. I was commenting on the general notion people have.. stock android = best battery life... its not always true!

It is true for the P2, in case you missed it that was my point, I was talking about the P2 specifically.

 

[mib1800]

Why bother with phonearena battery life numbers. They never make known or shown how they do the tests. Not even a video to it.

Why not just view real video test where you can observe directly how the battery life drop. There are many. Almost ALL shown that iPhone X is the worst and first to die.

 

[ROGmaster]

Why bother with phonearena battery life numbers. They never make known or shown how they do the tests. Not even a video to it.

Why not just view real video test where you can observe directly how the battery life drop. There are many. Almost ALL shown that iPhone X is the worst and first to die.

Because it shows the most favorable battery results for the iphones(any iphones) and because they want to insinuate that the difference in terms of battery performance between then Note 9 and the iphone x is close to insignificant.
Battery tests where iphones perform decently = only running a web script. Do something else and the results are different. I don't know other people but I very rarely just browse the web on my phone.

 

[I7guy]

Why bother with phonearena battery life numbers. They never make known or shown how they do the tests. Not even a video to it.

Why not just view real video test where you can observe directly how the battery life drop. There are many. Almost ALL shown that iPhone X is the worst and first to die.

This is exactly how people use their phones. Similar to the videos that show serial app knees and closers to measure “performance”.

Android needs bigger batteries and core to offset the inherent inefficiencies of the operating system. It’s not a plus, but a 50,000 lb weight.

 

[DNichter]

Gotta keep that data flowing to the Google Advertising Company. It's actually a genius move by Google.

 

[mib1800]

This is exactly how people use their phones. Similar to the videos that show serial app knees and closers to measure “performance”.

Android needs bigger batteries and core to offset the inherent inefficiencies of the operating system. It’s not a plus, but a 50,000 lb weight.

Well, if iPhone is that efficient, why can't it gives a better battery life when running apps like in those videos?

What is "how people use their phone"? Usage patterns vary so much that you wouldn't be able pin down one that is typical for everyone. So the best we have are those battery drain test videos to give an indication of the efficiency of the phone.

 

[DNichter]

Well, if iPhone is that efficient, why can't it gives a better battery life when running apps like in those videos?

What is "how people use their phone"? Usage patterns vary so much that you wouldn't be able pin down one that is typical for everyone. So the best we have are those battery drain test videos to give an indication of the efficiency of the phone.

It's not, the X is awful when it comes to battery life. All other tests that say it is good are false or have Apple bias. This is probably the main reason why the X doesn't sell and the Note absolutely destroys the iPhone when it comes to sales. The biggest screen, the biggest battery, the most RAM, the most cores, the biggest stylus - it just can't be beat. The puny iPhone will never come close to the powerhouse Note.

 

[ROGmaster]

It's not, the X is awful when it comes to battery life. All other tests that say it is good are false or have Apple bias. This is probably the main reason why the X doesn't sell and the Note absolutely destroys the iPhone when it comes to sales. The biggest screen, the biggest battery, the most RAM, the most cores, the biggest stylus - it just can't be beat. The puny iPhone will never come close to the powerhouse Note.

Oh sales, of course, as soon as the discussions is not ultimately favorable for the iphone we have to start talking about those sales numbers. Sales is what makes an phone ultimately better. Oh and profits, let's not forget about those.

 

[falainber]

That's just silly.
Earlier this year there was that pretty major kerfuffle where Google were found to track people via cell towers even after users turned tracking OFF.
That is why my DIEHARD Android user mate changed to Apple. He still prefers some things on Android, he just couldn't accept the privacy issues with Android. I'm still shocked he changed. He was hardcore Android.

And Google have been fined for privacy violations as well... Google it!

As for there could be a simple explanation... there could, but considering Google's track record you'd be foolish to think that before thinking the negative.

So, how exactly did it harm your friend? BTW, there is no such thing as tracking on/off setting on Android. There is on/off switch for GPS which I am sure worked as advertised. Also is it any different than iOS 11 not actually disabling BT and WiFi when user switches them off in Control Center?

 

[FFR]

That link doesn't show anything. I am sure there are tests that say the X is close, some that say the Note is better. Not really worried about it in the long run. The Plus size iPhone's have always been best when it comes to battery life so I expect the same this year.

Here's another one that says iPhone X at 8 hours, 41 minutes, with the Note at 8 hours, 56 minutes. They are comparable in regards to the time, but the X is much more efficient.

https://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-9-vs-Apple-iPhone-X_id4553

Thanks for the link.

The 2017 iPhone X isn’t doing so bad against the 2018 note 9.

Higher average Brightness.

Louder speakers

Not bad on the battery life.

Can’t wait to see the 2018 iPhone plus.