Idle Android Devices Send Data to Google Nearly 10 Times More Often Than iOS Devices do to Apple, Research Finds

[LordVic]

I’ve got a sister in law who implicitly TRUSTS Google and how they say that they handle handle privacy and personal information. Articles and information saying that Google is collecting and selling your private data are absolute lies and no documentation or examples showing otherwise are to be believed.

She’s an extreme example but most people I know don’t think that data mining is either going on or that there are negative consequences to them even if it is. And a majority of people will choose a cheaper product even if told that they will be monitored and personal data about them will be sold because they isn’t a little window that pops up and says I just sold company ‘X’ this information about you, your health, or your family and you don’t have any say in where it goes or how it’s used.

The problem is your statement is only 1/2 true.

> Google is collecting
Yes. Google absolutely collects everything and anything they can. NOBODY should be deluded into believing otherwise. It's their very business model.

>selling your private data

This is the absolute lie. Google Does NOT sell data. This myth has been repeated ad nauseam. There has been no evidence, nor capability for Google to sell private data. This is not only something that would destroy their business (since their business IS using the data), but would violate laws in numerous countries they operate. Canada would outright ban Google for selling private data as that is illegal here. GPDR would also ban them in EU as you cannot sell private data.

What Google does with that data is analytics to sell advertising space to your eyeballs using that data. this is a significantly different thing. Now, whether or not you trust google to maintain your data is a personal option. Good on you for being proactive in caring. We should all know who has, and uses our data and what uses those are for.

But lets actually be factual and not spread FUD and myths based on a lack of evidence just because it fits your own narrative. Many of us do use google services because we have some level of trust that they will keep that data secure. That is no different than you having trust that Apple will also keep the data it collects secure (Because Apple does collect data, just for different use cases)

 

[FFR]

GSMArena? Ha, they're battery test is trash. I am kidding, it ultimately makes no difference to me. I would expect the Note to beat out the X in battery life tests, but it's comparable in most that I see.

Endurance rating? Yeah when you turn off all animations and put everything in it’s lowest settings, who pays a grand to use a phone like that?


10 min difference, not so bad when you consider the iPhone X is a year old phone with a tiny battery compared to the note 9.

 

[DNichter]

Oh sales, of course, as soon as the discussions is not ultimately favorable for the iphone we have to start talking about those sales numbers. Sales is what makes an phone ultimately better. Oh and profits, let's not forget about those.

Sales? Psh, what do those matter to a company? Did you not read the rest of my post? The biggest battery, the biggest screen, the most RAM you can fit in a phone, and a stylus on top of it all? The iPhone can never compete.

 

[cmaier]

The problem is your statement is only 1/2 true.

> Google is collecting
Yes. Google absolutely collects everything and anything they can. NOBODY should be deluded into believing otherwise. It's their very business model.

>selling your private data

This is the absolute lie. Google Does NOT sell data. This myth has been repeated ad nauseam. There has been no evidence, nor capability for Google to sell private data. This is not only something that would destroy their business (since their business IS using the data), but would violate laws in numerous countries they operate. Canada would outright ban Google for selling private data as that is illegal here. GPDR would also ban them in EU as you cannot sell private data.

What Google does with that data is analytics to sell advertising space to your eyeballs using that data. this is a significantly different thing. Now, whether or not you trust google to maintain your data is a personal option. Good on you for being proactive in caring. We should all know who has, and uses our data and what uses those are for.

But lets actually be factual and not spread FUD and myths based on a lack of evidence just because it fits your own narrative. Many of us do use google services because we have some level of trust that they will keep that data secure. That is no different than you having trust that Apple will also keep the data it collects secure (Because Apple does collect data, just for different use cases)

The difference between “sell me a list of all 30 year olds who have an interest in cancer medication” and “serve this JavaScript and html to all 30 year olds who have an interest in cancer medication” is small. You are being pedantic.

 

[ROGmaster]

But lets actually be factual and not spread FUD and myths based on a lack of evidence just because it fits your own narrative. Many of us do use google services because we have some level of trust that they will keep that data secure. That is no different than you having trust that Apple will also keep the data it collects secure (Because Apple does collect data, just for different use cases)

Goggle is extremely serious about keep their users data safe. That's obvious with their Project Zero team and the work it has done(for example it's the team that discovered Meltdown and Spectre flaws in Intel's CPUs).

 

[falainber]

Do you know..google admitted recently that they ‘Read’ you mails and let other third party apps read your emails?( not AI reading, literally a human being read your mail to train AI). If this is not a privacy violation according to you, I would like to know what do you consider as a ‘Privacy violation ‘.
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Google sells your information to third party vendors..read their blogs.

You are just spreading FUD. To educate yourself, readthe explanation of the situation. Third parties get access to your inbox only if you explicitly let them (individually for each app). I hope iOS offers the same feature because it allows for creation of really great apps or are you stuck with the dumb apps (like Siri)? Then again, in your example of "privacy violation" did a single user get hurt? Nope. So back to the drawing board you go.

 

[LordVic]

The difference between “sell me a list of all 30 year olds who have an interest in cancer medication” and “serve this JavaScript and html to all 30 year olds who have an interest in cancer medication” is small. You are being pedantic.

What the heck are you on about?

they are fundamentally different things.

In your first quote, the activity is giving the 3rd party company an actual list of users, with their data. This is NOT what Google does.

in the second quote, no personal data is provided to the 3rd Party.

if you honestly don't think there's a difference here, than you are purposely repeating nonsense yourself based on your own personal bias and not objective fact. And whats the point of conversation if you're just going to reject reality and supplant it with your own?

 

[cmaier]

Goggle is extremely serious about keep their users data safe. That's obvious with their Project Zero team and the work it has done(for example it's the team that discovered Meltdown and Specter flaws in Intel's CPUs).

No, Paul Kocher discovered specter/meltdown class vulnerabilities first.

 

[FFR]

Why bother with phonearena battery life numbers. They never make known or shown how they do the tests. Not even a video to it.

Why not just view real video test where you can observe directly how the battery life drop. There are many. Almost ALL shown that iPhone X is the worst and first to die.

I wonder why the YouTube video always have the The iPhone X screen brighter than all the rest.

Busted !!!

Even with the battery all the way up Really does keep up well with all those 2018 android flagships with huge batteries.


Huh your video of the note 9 shows it has a 8 hour battery life. That can’t be true because according to Rogsomething.....

....Phones arena is bs.

 

[ROGmaster]

The difference between “sell me a list of all 30 year olds who have an interest in cancer medication” and “serve this JavaScript and html to all 30 year olds who have an interest in cancer medication” is small. You are being pedantic.

According to who?
The way it looks the difference is quite clear.

 

[cmaier]

What the heck are you on about?

they are fundamentally different things.

In your first quote, the activity is giving the 3rd party company an actual list of users, with their data. This is NOT what Google does.

in the second quote, no personal data is provided to the 3rd Party.

if you honestly don't think there's a difference here, than you are purposely repeating nonsense yourself based on your own personal bias and not objective fact. And whats the point of conversation if you're just going to reject reality and supplant it with your own?

No personal data is provided? Are you serious? You don’t think ads have cross-site trackers?

 

[falainber]

The difference between “sell me a list of all 30 year olds who have an interest in cancer medication” and “serve this JavaScript and html to all 30 year olds who have an interest in cancer medication” is small. You are being pedantic.

Wel, you should know better. The difference obviously is huge. In the first case somemay learn something about you you don't want them to know. In the second case? The worst case is that you may learn something useful. Apparently this is something Apple fans are afraid of.

 

[cmaier]

According to who?
The way it looks the difference is quite clear.

First, practically speaking, if I can serve you an ad I can find out who you are by correlating cookies or browser fingerprinting.

Second, if I don’t want to be targeted because I have cancer, it doesn’t matter to me whether google points the gun for the advertiser or google tells he advertiser where to find me. The end result is the same.

 

[ipponrg]

No, Paul Kocher discovered specter/meltdown class vulnerabilities first.

They were discovered independently by various research teams including Paul Kocher and Project Zero

 

[cmaier]

Wel, you should know better. The difference obviously is huge. In the first case somemay learn something about you you don't want them to know. In the second case? The worst case is that you may learn something useful. Apparently this is something Apple fans are afraid of.

********. Say amazon pays google to target ads to cancer victims. I am served the ad. The ad has JavaScript that checks for my amazon cross site cookie. Now amazon knows I have cancer. This is no different than google telling amazon my personal information directly.

 

[ROGmaster]

First, practically speaking, if I can serve you an ad I can find out who you are by correlating cookies or browser fingerprinting.

Second, if I don’t want to be targeted because I have cancer, it doesn’t matter to me whether google points the gun for the advertiser or google tells he advertiser where to find me. The end result is the same.

You don't serve me anything. That's the point.

 

[Jsameds]

...or using your credit card, or cash point, or buying a train ticket, seeing a film, or what your streaming, what your doing on social media, getting your car serviced, what your buying in the grocery store...Mobile operating systems are the just the tip of the iceberg....we live in a connected world and whether you like it or not, everything you’re doing is being tracked.

Not when I use Apple Pay or cash.

 

[cmaier]

They were discovered independently by various research teams including Paul Kocher and Project Zero

True. Kocher was first.
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You don't serve me anything. Thta's the point.

Oh stop it. I give the ad to google who gives it to you. You still get the ad. The ad still is either something I don’t want to be based on my private info or which can be used to associate my private info with my identity using cross-site tracking techniques.

 

[mib1800]

I wonder why the YouTube video always have the The iPhone X screen brighter than all the rest.

Busted !!!

Even with the battery all the way up Really does keep up well with all those 2018 android flagships with huge batteries.


Huh your video of the note 9 shows it has a 8 hour battery life. That can’t be true because according to Rogsomething.....

....Phones arena is bs.

If you equate phonearena test to test in video, then phonerena stated iPhone x has 8+hrs but video tests only show 6+hrs. From this phonearena is B.S. Happy now?

 

[ROGmaster]

True. Kocher was first.
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Oh stop it. I give the ad to google who gives it to you. You still get the ad. The ad still is either something I don’t want to be based on my private info or which can be used to associate my private info with my identity using cross-site tracking techniques.

You will get ads either way anyway.
If you don't want ads use an ad block or stay offline.
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If you equate phonearena test to test in video, then phonerena stated iPhone x has 8+hrs but video tests only show 6+hrs. From this phonearena is B.S. Happy now?

The tests are obviously very different.
Anyway there is no point in wasting your time with that guy. I actually proved that phonearena's battery test is very inconsistent and it's not like he tried at all to dispute the obvious proof I provided but that doesn't stop him from pretending I'm not right anyway.

 

[I7guy]

Well, if iPhone is that efficient, why can't it gives a better battery life when running apps like in those videos?

What is "how people use their phone"? Usage patterns vary so much that you wouldn't be able pin down one that is typical for everyone. So the best we have are those battery drain test videos to give an indication of the efficiency of the phone.

Let’s try it this way. Installed the same size battery, in terms of mah, in an android phone and see which phone lasts longer. Do you want to place a bet on which phone is more efficient and will last longer? All the bigger battery diesnis hide the inherent inefficiency of the software and hardware of android.
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It's not, the X is awful when it comes to battery life. All other tests that say it is good are false or have Apple bias. This is probably the main reason why the X doesn't sell and the Note absolutely destroys the iPhone when it comes to sales. The biggest screen, the biggest battery, the most RAM, the most cores, the biggest stylus - it just can't be beat. The puny iPhone will never come close to the powerhouse Note.

There is no point in wasting your time. Each ecosystem has pluses and minuses however for some they will just not see the plus side of things.

 

[falainber]

********. Say amazon pays google to target ads to cancer victims. I am served the ad. The ad has JavaScript that checks for my amazon cross site cookie. Now amazon knows I have cancer. This is no different than google telling amazon my personal information directly.

Cross site cookies were possible because of the bug(s) in browsers. Aren't they things of the past?

 

[ipponrg]

********. Say amazon pays google to target ads to cancer victims. I am served the ad. The ad has JavaScript that checks for my amazon cross site cookie. Now amazon knows I have cancer. This is no different than google telling amazon my personal information directly.

This violates browser cookie rules by the way. Due to CORS, browsers can not access cross domain cookies via JavaScript. If you are on Google.com and you used JavaScript to print out your cookies, you will not see anything from a non Google domain. Try it. It’s enforced in modern day browsers, and it can be enforced even to the sub domain level.

 

[FFR]

If you equate phonearena test to test in video, then phonerena stated iPhone x has 8+hrs but video tests only show 6+hrs. From this phonearena is B.S. Happy now?

Phone arena test set brightness at 200 nits for all devices your YouTube video had the iPhone X brightnes almost all the way up so....it’s not too bad considering handicapping the x. The battery on the s9 is just terrible.

Your other YouTube video has the note 9 at about 5 hours that’s terrible.

 

[TTTedP]

Both companies "collect" data but where it resides and the amounts shared to the big data core vary greatly.

tldr: Apple believes the intelligence is on the device. Google believes the intelligence is on the network.

*****

If I've been paying attention, a fundamental difference is Apple believes / keeps all the data collection contained to the device. There is no large scale mining & linking collected data from all your other devices and usage. This is why Siri is so behind. You can have different "usage profiles" for each device. If 90% of your use is on your iPhone vs 10% iPad, ever notice how much more 'intelligent' your iPhone is? My iPad doesn't tell me it'll be 15 minutes to work but my iPhone does.

Google believes all data should reside / emanate from a core network and served to all your devices from there. That analysis engine graphic tells the story. Google "selling" your raw data would be suicide but they link all their sources for a single user profile.

Remember the article a few weeks back about the blogger who requested his Apple & Google profile data dump? The Apple one was much, much smaller.

IMO, on a scale of highest to lowest with respect for the average consumer (out of the box use) goes; Apple > Microsoft(?) > Google > Facebook.

Where you sit on that scale is personal choice.