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If Apple is super rich why would they value profit margin more than their loyal fans?

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DBZmusicboy01

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The iPhone 6 was not a huge update as they were making it seem like.
Very disappointing spec update for such a super hyped device.
They could easily had put 2GB of RAM and for the 6S they could just put 4 core processor. But why only give it 1GB in late 2014? and then also still have 16GB of Memory.
Apple is already super rich and they value their profit more than fans..
Just like how they will charge $350 for a watch with limited features.

This is not the Apple I am proud of...
Steve Jobs would not had let all this pricing insane. Besides I am pretty sure Steve would had demanded 2GB of RAM. He would not had liked Safari reloading so easily after 3 tabs.

My huge rant.
I hope Apple reads this somehow... I am not happy that they are treating their loyal long time fans like trash.
 
phobic99

phobic99

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Apple is still a business. Businesses typically have a goal of making more money. Apple likes making money.

Pretty simple I'd say but you don't have to take my word for it.
 
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Steviejobz

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As a shareholder since 2006, I don't mind one bit. The stock price has more than paid for anything I've ever bought from them
 
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cynics

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DBZmusicboy01 said:
The iPhone 6 was not a huge update as they were making it seem like.
Very disappointing spec update for such a super hyped device.
They could easily had put 2GB of RAM and for the 6S they could just put 4 core processor. But why only give it 1GB in late 2014? and then also still have 16GB of Memory.
Apple is already super rich and they value their profit more than fans..
Just like how they will charge $350 for a watch with limited features.

This is not the Apple I am proud of...
Steve Jobs would not had let all this pricing insane. Besides I am pretty sure Steve would had demanded 2GB of RAM. He would not had liked Safari reloading so easily after 3 tabs.

My huge rant.
I hope Apple reads this somehow... I am not happy that they are treating their loyal long time fans like trash.
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Firstly they are a business which like most are out to make the maximum amount of money. Kind of goes without saying. I'm not defending that as a good thing, just the way it is.

Secondly. Their loyal fans value user experience not specs. Because like every Apple product the specs have always been weak comparatively speaking. I'd question a loyal fans creditability that was surprised that Apples hardware wasn't the latest and greats. That said they still lead in certain areas (64 bit, touch ID, screen color accuracy, camera quality w/o specs overkill, build material quality, etc).

Third. You mention the 6 isn't much of an upgrade but just point out RAM? If the 6 had more RAM then its a huge upgrade? Quad core? We aren't even scratching at the A7's max capability yet.

Four. RAM in relation to user experience. App reloading is a given, iOS and other mobile OS's utilize RAM to suspend apps. Once RAM is used up for foreground processes suspended background apps reload. Its annoying and more RAM should help fix that. Tab reloading, I haven't found a convincing argument that it can't be fixed with software like other mobile OS's with higher PPI screens with similar amounts of RAM. The only good counter comment I've seen is "If it can be fixed with software then why hasn't it?", touché to that.

That said that doesn't mean Apple doesn't have plans for iOS in the future. With iOS 9 all devices running it should be 1gb of RAM at least. In Mavericks apple introduced memory compression which may be something that can be integrated into iOS much more efficiently using RAM.
 
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mantan

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Apple goals are no different than an insurance company, a cell phone carrier, a pharmaceutical company or big oil...to maximize profits. (of course we demonize those companies for making 10% of the profit margin Apple gets...)

Thinking they care about you as a 'loyal fan' is laughable. They want your money. They sell expensive gadgets and dupe you on believing your part of an experience.

I like their stuff too. But understand I'm paying a big azz premium for it.
 
MICHAELSD

MICHAELSD

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Apple is a business as others have said.

They're not a charity.

They could easily charge more for their products but at least they're competitive.
 
OneMike

OneMike

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Because you become super rich by running a business. Sure the customer matters, but you're in a business to make money.
 
scaredpoet

scaredpoet

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DBZmusicboy01 said:
This is not the Apple I am proud of...
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Apple has no obligation to you, and you have no obligation to Apple. They offer a enw version of their phone. If you don't like it, don't buy it. It's that simple.

Steve Jobs would not had let all this pricing insane. Besides I am pretty sure Steve would had demanded 2GB of RAM.
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First off, you don't know Steve Jobs, and have no earthly clue what he would have wanted.

Second, he's dead. Apple must move on, and so should you.

I hope Apple reads this somehow... I am not happy that they are treating their loyal long time fans like trash.
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How is providing less RAM than you expected treating their fans like trash? Do you honestly think Tim Cook and Jony Ive sat in a boardroom laughing evilly, thinking up dastardly ways to REALLY stick it to their customers?
 
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iphone5att64

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scaredpoet said:
Apple has no obligation to you, and you have no obligation to Apple. They offer a enw version of their phone. If you don't like it, don't buy it. It's that simple.



First off, you don't know Steve Jobs, and have no earthly clue what he would have wanted.

Second, he's dead. Apple must move on, and so should you.



How is providing less RAM than you expected treating their fans like trash? Do you honestly think Tim Cook and Jony Ive sat in a boardroom laughing evilly, thinking up dastardly ways to REALLY stick it to their customers?
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Sounds like you were always on the Tock cycle for upgrades. You would be sympathetic if you were on the tick cycle with iPhone 3G, iPhone 4, iPad 1, iPad 3.
 
scaredpoet

scaredpoet

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iphone5att64 said:
Sounds like you were always on the Tock cycle for upgrades.
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And you would be wrong about that. Up to now I've owned every model iPhone except the 5c.

You would be sympathetic if you were on the tick cycle with iPhone 3G, iPhone 4, iPad 1, iPad 3.
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This has nothing to do with upgrade cycles. But if it did, why not just jump to Tock?

I'm sympathetic to no one who labors under the delusion that they have some magical link with an individual who is no longer alive. Such that they think they can make an appeal in that dead person's name and claim that they know what that person wants and that his successors are doing it wrong.

If you've fallen in love with a corporation, and now are falling out of love because they're not doing what you want, and you're taking it personally, then you need to face a very harsh truth: that love affair was nowhere close to being requited. Ever. You should be falling in love with people... preferably ones you've met. Not corporations.
 
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NewbieCanada

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Oct 9, 2007
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DBZmusicboy01 said:
This is not the Apple I am proud of...
Steve Jobs would not had let all this pricing insane. Besides I am pretty sure Steve would had demanded 2GB of RAM. He would not had liked Safari reloading so easily after 3 tabs.

My huge rant.
I hope Apple reads this somehow... I am not happy that they are treating their loyal long time fans like trash.
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If you can't make your point without a "Steve would not have..." then you don't actually have a point at all.

The fact is the no one knows what Jobs would do in any situation. But if I had to pick someone likely to guess correctly, I'd go with Tim Cook and Jonathan Ive than someone ranting on a message board
 
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accountforit

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Jan 22, 2014
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Does it matter how many cores, or how much RAM, a phone has when they can hang and sometimes beat their competition with less?

Nope, it doesn't. Reading specs on a piece of marketing material doesn't make for a better phone.

Apple's "loyal fans" would know that by now.
 
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NewbieCanada

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Steviejobz said:
As a shareholder since 2006, I don't mind one bit. The stock price has more than paid for anything I've ever bought from them
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Then you're not buying enough stuff. ;)

Seriously though, I was out of Apple from Dec. 30 till Apr 28th.

I've earned 12.5 128GB iphone 6 Pluses just in these 4 ½ months.
 
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2IS

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Jan 9, 2011
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The S variants have typically sported more impressive spec bumps while non S are focused more on design/engineering. Nothing different here.
 
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accountforit

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Jan 22, 2014
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ZBoater said:
Mr. Cook, is that you?
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Says the guy who is still buying Apple products.

You forgot to quote the statement that you had no rebuttal too. Don't worry friend. Here it is again:

"Does it matter how many cores, or how much RAM, a phone has when they can hang and sometimes beat their competition with less?"

You are the type of guy that talks bad about his family behind their backs and kisses their ass when in their presence. AKA....the worse kind.
 
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