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iPhone XS If Apple raises prices by 15% to offset tariffs would you keep buying the iPhone?

Renho said:
Have you used [an Android device] recently? They are getting much better. The OS is getting much better and they give you more freedom over it and it’s use. It really is far more advanced for customizations. And let’s face it, they are coming with newer tech first. If you like that sort of thing.
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My mother-in-law had one for a while until she upgraded to an iPhone... but that’s irrelevant.

My phone is not my only piece of tech. I have my Apple Watch, my iPad Pro, iMac, MacBook Pro, Mac Pro, Apple TV (x2), and my HomePods. My phone is an integral part of all that.

It doesn’t matter if an Android phone comes out with compelling, non-gimmicky piece of tech first (face it, much of the ‘newer tech’ introduced in the Android world fall into the gimmick category), iPhone will eventually get some version of it and then I’ll have the newer tech while still having the tons of functionality I depend on that is impossible for Android to emulate.

There isn’t a chance in the world I’ll get an Android device.
 
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Jimpilot said:
You speak of success and competition as if they were bad things.
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Success can have its negative consequences in the long term and the smartphone industry as a whole has been victim to that. Phones have gotten so good that consumers are seeing less need to upgrade as often. The knock on effect of that has been manufacturers have had to raise prices to maintain profits which it has done so far, but that too pushes consumers to buy less often.

Success and competition can be bad things in essence and often the competition is themselves and they fact their older phones are still current if that makes sense?
 
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If Apple raised prices by 15%, would I still buy a new iPhone? Yes.
At this point, there isn't much that could push me back to Android land...
I've gone full Apple, no one else actually has anything that compels me to give their products a second look.

Samsung is pure garbage. LG software updates don't exist. Huawei is in the back pocket of the Chinese government. OnePlus, might also be spying for China, just haven't been caught yet. Sony and HTC haven't put out a compelling phone for a few years now. Motorola was bought out by Lenovo, and ever since, they have gone towards mid-range, and neglected flagships. Google Pixel claims to be better than iPhone, but their privacy track record suggests otherwise.
 
mzs.112000 said:
If Apple raised prices by 15%, would I still buy a new iPhone? Yes.
At this point, there isn't much that could push me back to Android land...
I've gone full Apple, no one else actually has anything that compels me to give their products a second look..
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I would say this is largely accurate, because the competition isn’t really offering distinctive advantages over Apple right now, and there are no real major leads in technology with smart phones at this point, (Which is partially due to saturation), but there will be in the future with wearables, which Apple has a clear lead on right now with the Apple Watch.

But on that note, I’ve said it many times over, it’s _not_ the hardware the consumer is choosing, it’s the platform they’re choosing, that’s the most significant choice of any consumers decision, is if they prefer android or iOS.
 
Jimpilot said:
You speak of success and competition as if they were bad things.
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Not in and of themselves. However, success and competition have negative as well as positive impacts, and the current attitude in the US among the successful and would-be successful carries that to excess, in my opinion.

The attitude (and public policy) here in the US tends to favor "To the victor belong the spoils," a winner-take-all/beggar the loser attitude. Losers are deemed to deserve their fate; they have only themselves to blame. Any who fail to rise from adversity also have only themselves to blame, and whatever social services exist for them must, as a matter of policy, reinforce the notion that they deserve poor treatment, and have fewer rights than the successful. The questionable notion behind this is that pain must be inflicted in order to motivate the losers to further attempts at self-betterment/success, as if the fruits of success are insufficient motivation.

Meantime, the winners seem to want benefits and advantages from government, society, employers, etc. as an additional reward for their success - lower tax rates on investments than on wages, no taxes on the previously-untaxed accumulation in decedents' estates, a step-up in basis on those untaxed assets so that taxes are never paid on those gains, preferred treatment wherever they go....

Being successful is its own reward - the successful already have more, they already feel good about themselves. Why should the successful feel like society owes them anything more? Yet they do.
 
ApfelKuchen said:
Not in and of themselves. However, success and competition have negative as well as positive impacts, and the current attitude in the US among the successful and would-be successful carries that to excess, in my opinion.

The attitude (and public policy) here in the US tends to favor "To the victor belong the spoils," a winner-take-all/beggar the loser attitude. Losers are deemed to deserve their fate; they have only themselves to blame. Any who fail to rise from adversity also have only themselves to blame, and whatever social services exist for them must, as a matter of policy, reinforce the notion that they deserve poor treatment, and have fewer rights than the successful. The questionable notion behind this is that pain must be inflicted in order to motivate the losers to further attempts at self-betterment/success, as if the fruits of success are insufficient motivation.

Meantime, the winners seem to want benefits and advantages from government, society, employers, etc. as an additional reward for their success - lower tax rates on investments than on wages, no taxes on the previously-untaxed accumulation in decedents' estates, a step-up in basis on those untaxed assets so that taxes are never paid on those gains, preferred treatment wherever they go....

Being successful is its own reward - the successful already have more, they already feel good about themselves. Why should the successful feel like society owes them anything more? Yet they do.
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I would object to you pretending to know how the rich as a group feel.

I also think that competition and the spoils of success motivate folks to strive for success, if second place has the same rewards as first place why strive? Other forms have failed because the motivation is removed and the society doesn't as a whole advance, rather it stays stagnant.

But to each his own. To quote a line from Top Gun "No points for second place"
 
Relentless Power said:
I would say this is largely accurate, because the competition isn’t really offering distinctive advantages over Apple right now, and there are no real major leads in technology with smart phones at this point, (Which is partially due to saturation), but there will be in the future with wearables, which Apple has a clear lead on right now with the Apple Watch.

But on that note, I’ve said it many times over, it’s _not_ the hardware the consumer is choosing, it’s the platform they’re choosing, that’s the most significant choice of any consumers decision, is if they prefer android or iOS.
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There are a few new tech items that others have, that Apple hasn't got yet though, but again, none that really compel me to go back to an Android device. In-display fingerprint readers are one of them(of course, Apple has a patent for a next-gen in-display Touch ID, coming in 2021). Then there are those superzoom cameras(like the 5x zoom from Huawei) and bi-lateral wireless charging(Huawei added that in 2018).

But at the same time, the 2019 iPhones are likely to also have real optical zoom cameras, and bi-lateral wireless charging, which renders those advantages moot.

I think the next big advancement for smartphones will likely be Lithium-Ceramic batteries, which offer higher cycle life, don't explode or catch on fire, can store more energy in a smaller size, are flexible, and are capable of far faster charging(5 minutes to 80%). Best of all, test batches are already in production. This will be a boon for smartphone battery life(multiple days on once charge), flexable/foldable phones, and charging times.

Then, there is also the ability to hide IR dot projectors, ToF sensors, RGB cameras, and proximity sensors under an OLED display, which allows you to eliminate a notch, without adding mechanical sliders and/or sacrificing facial recognition security.

Probably there will also eventually be a faster wireless charging standard(probably based on Qi), that allows you to charge at the same rate as a wired charger(25W into the phone). This, in combination with 60GHz WiFi 802.11AD(for really fast local data transfer), will allow even the removal of charging ports.

Placing the speaker under the display(A-la LG G8), will remove even speaker grills. And possibly, adding piezo-electric elements under the display mean we don't need a microphone grill either.

Those are IMO the main innovations that phones will adopt over the next few years.
 
Absolutely not...
[doublepost=1558732564][/doublepost]If intellectual property is pushed hard on the Chinese... then maybe yes... but without it in the final agreement... an unnecessary pain on the American public for nothing.
 
einmusiker said:
Is this a serious thread?
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Why wouldn’t it be? Have you read through the contents of this thread or paid attention to what’s happening in the outside world regarding tariffs? The question is a very good question, would a consumer still pay an additional 15% to offset a tariff cost, would the average consumer keep buying the iPhone? The answer is no. Because, smart phones already are stagnated right now, and they’re struggling at the price points they currently exceeding above $1000, which is why the XR will flourish, and makes it even more reason of Apple is adding another mid-tier phone to their lineup likely in 2020.
 
Sadly, yes, cause just in time for my iphone 6 to be dieing :(. But, like my 6 I'll be holding on to my new phone as long as possible. Apple prices going up combined with phone subsidies going away already convinced me to hold on to my phones as long as possible. This just makes it more so.
 
I really hope they rise more than 15%, would be funny to see comments about not buying from the very same people that are justifying it now :D

Also , If Apple can really sell for 15-20% more, I really hope they do, if people are really fool up to that point, my investment in AAPL will only get better :D
 
Renho said:
So I read that Apple would could take a 10% hit on their bottom line if they were to eat it, in 2020. The real question is if they pass on the increase would sales slump enough to go past that 10% decrease or not?!?!?
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Your math is off. They would be hit by almost 50% in their bottom line. Not 10%.
 
A $200 difference on a $1000+ dollar phone is not worth handing every piece of information in my life, including anything I ask my phone, over to Google for permanent storage and data mining.

There's one option for me in the marketplace right now, and that's iPhone.
 
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iObama said:
A $200 difference on a $1000+ dollar phone is not worth handing every piece of information in my life, including anything I ask my phone, over to Google for permanent storage and data mining.

There's one option for me in the marketplace right now, and that's iPhone.
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Amen bro.
 
Are the tariffs expected to last beyond a year, to the point that not upgrading to the next iPhone means moving to an Android and not upgrading at all?
 
if the iPhone has major new features the answer is yes. But if it’s a repeat of the prior years iPhone with updated internals ....
Probably not
 
I would keep buying the iPhone but with less frequency, as is the case with my iPhone X. Skipped XS and will skip 11.
 
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