If face authentication comes to the next iPhone, imagine if...

[SwissGuy93]

Ever since reading about the rumors of face authentication potentialy popping up in the next iPhone release, I've been very excited about it. I'm not getting my hopes up too high, as everything is simply speculation at this point until we see the presentation. However, thinking about different implementations of the technology is interesting. I know a lot of people are worried about losing Touch ID, but honestly, I'm all for it if face authentication is implemented well. I've been brainstorming on different ways the technology could be used in the iPhone. I'm going to refer to it as Face ID for the remainder of the post.

Imagine if...

Face ID could authenticate your face before you go to use Apple Pay and then provide you with a small window of time to hold your phone near the terminal to complete the transaction. This would be similar to how Samsung Pay works in that you don't have to keep your finger on the fingerprint scanner during the entirety of the transaction. You authenticate and then hold the phone near the terminal. In this regard, people wouldn't have to be worried about the awkwardness of keeping their face in front of the phone while holding the phone next to the terminal.

Imagine if...

Face ID could automatically lock your phone if someone took it from you. The cameras could quickly detect and scan the face in order to lock the phone upon realizing it's not your face. Obviously, there would need to be measures in place to prevent this action if you voluntarily gave your phone to someone. This would be a nice security feature nonetheless.

Imagine if...

Face ID could be used to scan your facial expressions (i.e. smiling, frowning, angry) to insert emojis into your text similar to how Siri dictation works with texting. This is probably a little bit more of a stretch in regards to implementing, but it could be fun for those that enjoy emojis especially considering the time Apple has invested with emojis and iMessages.

Imagine if…

Face ID could be used in an App Store game where it scans a user's face to attempt to detect the user's age. I know this is pretty trivial in the grand scheme of things, but I'm sure there are those who would download it to try for fun. There are surely many ideas where it could be used with games.

Imagine if…

Face ID could scan a user's face and automatically locate all pictures in the Photos app that contain that person's face. Apple already uses face detecting algorithms to group people based on their face. It wouldn't be a far stretch to see these two work in conjunction to perhaps find a specific picture of someone or create an album of them.

Imagine if…

Face ID could be used to scan a user's face in order to detect a smile that could be used to coexist with the action of pressing the shutter button for the Camera app. For a front or rear facing picture, simply smile, Face ID defects the smile, initiates camera focusing, and snaps a picture.

These are just a few ideas I've come up with. I'd love to hear input from others. Ideas, concerns, criticisms, or anything else to do with the technology or the potential loss of Touch ID are welcome.

Everything sounds really good about that! Especially the last thing stood out to me. Apple bought the Swiss start-up FaceShift AG. This company was specialized on scanning faces, using it for avatars in films and games. Now, they also worked on something in the line of emotion detection. Imagine if Apple would somewho incorporate that into iOS.
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I personally like the touch id more than face id. I don't know why, is your smart phone store high valueable data that it needed face id to unlock? Although it sounds cool to hv the latest piece of technology, I don't see why we need these high tech face id on our phones. Yes i hv important contact numbers and other contact info on my phone, but they are not important to others. Beside is the password lock not enough to secure? Maybe some of you can elaborate on this.

Face ID is more secure because the face has more anchors than a finger print. I think it will be more of a convenience thing. You will just look at your phone (even with off-angles) and your phone will instantly unlock.
And I think what holds most people of here is, that they think in the lines of the Samsung face detection feature, where you have to hold your phone to your face and pictures even can unlock it. When we talk about Face ID we talk about a infrared laser literally mapping your face in 3D. That will be huge in terms of convenience.
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Face ID is About 3 Things everything else are justified ulterior motives about Emojis security and other BS. Face ID is about.

#1. Marketing and Ads, imagine when your friend hands you their phone to use FaceID knows hey that's Alex I recognize his face from his Apple ID.
#2. Again further Tracking, You walk into Target and their cameras as you Walk In scan your FaceID and immediately send you coupons to the Target App or a Text because they know hey Alex 25 Male just walked into Target. Or Best Buy, and they build up your habits very quickly. Hey this guy visits Target and Best Buy almost every other Sunday (they are next to each other). This is a Marketers holy grail.
#3. If Snowden revealed that FBI, NSA etc can turn on Your phone and listen to you without your knowledge imagine now or very soon every picture you take whether you have it enabled or Not has FaceID

Lastly, if you guys use YouTube logged in It's Scary how well YouTube starts to suggest video you like based on what you watch or rewatch. Now after a month it gets boring Youtube now only shows you What you like diversity and variety are gone. But you happen to stop by An Apple Store and Browse YouTube and You see amazing new Videos you just don't see anymore at Home because YouTube only shows you what you like. What Google and YouTube want is for Face ID is to scan your face and say "Hey Look It's Alex we recognize his profile but he's not at his Home PC, change the Video options he is shown to better match his demographic" So it's like living in this Bubble of News and Videos only targets to you.

Face ID will work like Touch ID. No developer, hacker, whatever will get your face data. It will be encapsulated in the Secure Element on the motherboard and only the core iOS function will be able to read and write the data. No one will be able to get the data.
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Getting Rid of Touch ID is just another Means of cost Savings, they can get Rid of the Saphhire Glass they can get rid of the Finger Print sensor. Probably saves them 0.50 cents Multiplied by 60 Million Phones
Thing is Theres No Turning Back From Face ID it simply will become Part of Apple ID. Where as Touch ID was optional

And do we Trust Apple Sure I do. Yes But theres always that Data Breach Where Hackers from Russia or China or an organized crime group hacks in and Steals All Your Face ID biometrics. Which are like Connected Dots turning your face into a Finger Print. Now that Data is Online, and Soon Any Camera anywhere can Scan public streets, PC's other phones and if seen. Instantly knows Your Face ID matches your Apple ID data.

Heck At least I can protect my Finger print data. Thats ALOT Safer to keep private and hidden.

Now, the same problem would ensue with Touch ID. The Secure Element will store your Face biometrics just like they did with your fingerprint data. And the part in the middle doesn't add up to me? What cameras are going to scan your face?

 

[dogslobber]

Password is the most secure. Facial recognition is even worse than fingerprint. I value my security even if Apple doesn’t.

 

[Pfunstuff]

Everything sounds really good about that! Especially the last thing stood out to me. Apple bought the Swiss start-up FaceShift AG. This company was specialized on scanning faces, using it for avatars in films and games. Now, they also worked on something in the line of emotion detection. Imagine if Apple would somewho incorporate that into iOS.
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Face ID is more secure because the face has more anchors than a finger print. I think it will be more of a convenience thing. You will just look at your phone (even with off-angles) and your phone will instantly unlock.
And I think what holds most people of here is, that they think in the lines of the Samsung face detection feature, where you have to hold your phone to your face and pictures even can unlock it. When we talk about Face ID we talk about a infrared laser literally mapping your face in 3D. That will be huge in terms of convenience.
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Face ID will work like Touch ID. No developer, hacker, whatever will get your face data. It will be encapsulated in the Secure Element on the motherboard and only the core iOS function will be able to read and write the data. No one will be able to get the data.
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Now, the same problem would ensue with Touch ID. The Secure Element will store your Face biometrics just like they did with your fingerprint data. And the part in the middle doesn't add up to me? What cameras are going to scan your face?

This is what I believe as well with regard to how Face ID data will be stored. I can't see how Apple would go and implement something that is less secure and more intrusive for the government to be able to spy on us easier. Obviously the government has their ways of spying and would love to at any chance they get, but I just can't see this opening up all of these potential spying avenues for government agencies unless Apple chose to give all of the data to them. Apple didn't hand over fingerprint data and they didn't budge with the San Bernardino case, so why would they just decide to move to Face ID to let agencies spy and use our faces for advertising and data mining? If it were any other company, I would be concerned. With the way apple values customer privacy and security, I just can't see this being the case.

Nice post, SwissGuy93. I had completely forgotten about the acquisition of FaceShift AG. That actually makes more sense now that the feature I mentioned about scanning facial expressions could come to fruition.

 

[HippyRabbitFish]

I don't do drugs. I don't do touch ID. I don't do face authentication.

Interpreting your meaning and adding my own to it, I'd rather be Repairman Jack than Winston Smith.

 

[SwissGuy93]

Password is the most secure. Facial recognition is even worse than fingerprint. I value my security even if Apple doesn’t.

How can you know if Face ID is less secure than Touch ID? There is no way of knowing that until there is another credible leak or until the keynote.
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This is what I believe as well with regard to how Face ID data will be stored. I can't see how Apple would go and implement something that is less secure and more intrusive for the government to be able to spy on us easier. Obviously the government has their ways of spying and would love to at any chance they get, but I just can't see this opening up all of these potential spying avenues for government agencies unless Apple chose to give all of the data to them. Apple didn't hand over fingerprint data and they didn't budge with the San Bernardino case, so why would they just decide to move to Face ID to let agencies spy and use our faces for advertising and data mining? If it were any other company, I would be concerned. With the way apple values customer privacy and security, I just can't see this being the case.

Nice post, SwissGuy93. I had completely forgotten about the acquisition of FaceShift AG. That actually makes more sense now that the feature I mentioned about scanning facial expressions could come to fruition.

Excatly. I am mind boggeled by all the users here on this forum thinking that Apple would do something less secure and inconvenient. Apple will use the Secure Element to store all biometric data. I am also pretty sure that Apple will not provide APIs for the developers other than authentication (as we have it today with Touch ID).

Thank you. I am just a bit sad sometimes that all big tech bloggers neglect the acquisition of FaceShift. Apple is 100% using their technology for Face ID. It just fits perfectly together and the capabilities could be huge. Imagine if iOS would be able to read your emotions and somehow adapt it to the user experience. But I think Apple was more interested in the Face-Mapping feature they developed. It was so good, that the actors could wear the FaceShift gear and their Avatars were rendered in real time on the director's screen (including facial expresions and all that good stuff). That will for sure benefit Apple in some way or another.

 

[9594864]

Password is the most secure. Facial recognition is even worse than fingerprint. I value my security even if Apple doesn’t.

I trust your knowledge on the subject.



This was sarcasm.


Enjoy typing in your password: password

 

[dogslobber]

How can you know if Face ID is less secure than Touch ID? There is no way of knowing that until there is another credible leak or until the keynote.
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Quite easily, I can. You should actually think for yourself sometimes.
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I trust your knowledge on the subject.



This was sarcasm.


Enjoy typing in your password: password

Sounds like you agree with me 100% which makes sense.

 

[I7guy]

Password is the most secure. Facial recognition is even worse than fingerprint. I value my security even if Apple doesn’t.

Facial recognition has to be paired with a secondary means of authentication. If it is not, can't even imagine the stories and negative publicity about how ne'er do-wells, law enforcement, etc. got into your phone, simply by holding it to your face. Not going to happen like that, although I would like to know (as well as hundreds of millions of other people) how apple will deal with this.

 

[dogslobber]

Facial recognition has to be paired with a secondary means of authentication. If it is not, can't even imagine the stories and negative publicity about how ne'er do-wells, law enforcement, etc. got into your phone, simply by holding it to your face. Not going to happen like that, although I would like to know (as well as hundreds of millions of other people) how apple will deal with this.

Correct. But some people on here don't understand how facial recognition would work. If it has to be two factor then what's the point? Password method is still the most secure as somebody can cut your fingers off if need be.

 

[SwissGuy93]

Quite easily, I can. You should actually think for yourself sometimes.
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Sounds like you agree with me 100% which makes sense.

Quite easily you can't. Because you don't know how the facial recognition will work. You have no idea what security features Apple will implement, so you don't know how secure it will be, so you don't know if it will be more or less secure than Touch ID for that matter. And passwords are not all that great either. If someone stands behind you it's actually quite easy to look at your screen while you're tipping it.

 

[Bethanie21]

Correct. But some people on here don't understand how facial recognition would work. If it has to be two factor then what's the point? Password method is still the most secure as somebody can cut your fingers off if need be.

If you're having to cut off someone's fingers to get into a locked iPhone I'd say you've got bigger issues than accessing the phone.

 

[I7guy]

Correct. But some people on here don't understand how facial recognition would work. If it has to be two factor then what's the point? Password method is still the most secure as somebody can cut your fingers off if need be.

Maybe Apple is combining facial recognition with iris scanning? There has to be some other secured way of authentication.

 

[dogslobber]

Quite easily you can't. Because you don't know how the facial recognition will work. You have no idea what security features Apple will implement, so you don't know how secure it will be, so you don't know if it will be more or less secure than Touch ID for that matter. And passwords are not all that great either. If someone stands behind you it's actually quite easy to look at your screen while you're tipping it.

It's up to you to prove your assertion that Apple would come up with something better. All testing with a photocopy of somebody's head have so far been able to defeat facial recognition tech. I don't type passwords in public just like others shouldn't in insecure surroundings.

The test for what Apple introduces is how easily could a cop get access to your phone's contents purely by forcing your eyes lids open (go watch Clockwork Orange), scanning your head or using your thumb without your say so. You can't be forced to disclose a password through physical encouragement as passwords are mentally stored.
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Maybe Apple is combining facial recognition with iris scanning? There has to be some other secured way of authentication.

They could also do it with facial recognition and sending a second factor to the unlocked device via instant message.
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If you're having to cut off someone's fingers to get into a locked iPhone I'd say you've got bigger issues than accessing the phone.

Usually when somebody is trying to get access to your phone then you really aren't planning to make that a voluntary action.

 

[SwissGuy93]

It's up to you to prove your assertion that Apple would come up with something better. All testing with a photocopy of somebody's head have so far been able to defeat facial recognition tech. I don't type passwords in public just like others shouldn't in insecure surroundings.

The test for what Apple introduces is how easily could a cop get access to your phone's contents purely by forcing your eyes lids open (go watch Clockwork Orange), scanning your head or using your thumb without your say so. You can't be forced to disclose a password through physical encouragement as passwords are mentally stored.
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They could also do it with facial recognition and sending a second factor to the unlocked device via instant message.
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Usually when somebody is trying to get access to your phone then you really aren't planning to make that a voluntary action.

Yes, because most other run-of-the-mill solutions simply work 2D and with a standard Camera. What Apple plans has not been seen yet in a commercial phone. You would have lasers mapping your face in 3D. No photocopy would be able to unlock it, as the picture would not be 3D. And why do you assume that Apple would use technology which is already broadly available? Do you remember the outcry when we first started to talk about Touch ID? A lot of people saw it as complicated (they thought the finger must be placed perfectly etc.) and now most users on here don't want to give it up.
So you never unlock your phone in public? You stated that you do not use Touch ID so I assume that you have a passcode at the moment. So if you want to unlock your phone, you would have to type your passcode in public at some point.

 

[dogslobber]

So you never unlock your phone in public? You stated that you do not use Touch ID so I assume that you have a passcode at the moment. So if you want to unlock your phone, you would have to type your passcode in public at some point.

No, I don't because if I'm on the Tube then the last thing I want is to become the victim when some mugger or pick pocket decides to make me their pray. There are more than enough dozy idiots lost in their phones that can be such victims instead of me joining them.

 

[SwissGuy93]

No, I don't because if I'm on the Tube then the last thing I want is to become the victim when some mugger or pick pocket decides to make me their pray. There are more than enough dozy idiots lost in their phones that can be such victims instead of me joining them.

Sorry, but why do you own a phone in the first place if you do not use it in public? Not to critize you but I am really curious.

 

[jamesrick80]

Just thinking that if a defenseless woman gets robbed, the robber only has to grab her phone and force the woman to look at it to open a device that may very well have her entire life in it. Information involving her finances and her family could be taken away from her easily. Therefore, I believe facial recognition will start a new wave of crimes.

 

[I7guy]

It's up to you to prove your assertion that Apple would come up with something better. All testing with a photocopy of somebody's head have so far been able to defeat facial recognition tech. I don't type passwords in public just like others shouldn't in insecure surroundings.

The test for what Apple introduces is how easily could a cop get access to your phone's contents purely by forcing your eyes lids open (go watch Clockwork Orange), scanning your head or using your thumb without your say so. You can't be forced to disclose a password through physical encouragement as passwords are mentally stored.
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They could also do it with facial recognition and sending a second factor to the unlocked device via instant message.
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Usually when somebody is trying to get access to your phone then you really aren't planning to make that a voluntary action.

Nope, has to be as convenient as Touch ID if not more.

As far as poking your eye out to use retinal scanning, cutting your finger off would easily work with Touch ID. But we expect law enforcement to obey the law while making it difficult for criminals.
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Just thinking that if a defenseless woman gets robbed, the robber only has to grab her phone and force the woman to look at it to open a device that may very well have her entire life in it. Information involving her finances and her family could be taken away from her easily. Therefore, I believe facial recognition will start a new wave of crimes.

Don't see how this is any different than forcing someone to use their fingers to unlock a phone with Touch ID, and that crime wave hasn't yet happened.

 

[dojoman]

Hey Siri unlock my phone.
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Just thinking that if a defenseless woman gets robbed, the robber only has to grab her phone and force the woman to look at it to open a device that may very well have her entire life in it. Information involving her finances and her family could be taken away from her easily. Therefore, I believe facial recognition will start a new wave of crimes.

What kind of idiot would store bank account numbers without using another type of password storing app? Why would her family be taken away? You have wild imagination.

 

[dogslobber]

Sorry, but why do you own a phone in the first place if you do not use it in public? Not to critize you but I am really curious.

Mostly use it for the camera and for people to reach me at work.
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Just thinking that if a defenseless woman gets robbed, the robber only has to grab her phone and force the woman to look at it to open a device that may very well have her entire life in it. Information involving her finances and her family could be taken away from her easily. Therefore, I believe facial recognition will start a new wave of crimes.

Have you seen the moped crime wave sweeping London? It's terrifying to think what's going on. While we all should be able to go about our daily lives in public without hassle and unimpaired, you must always be aware of your surroundings and the potential threat to your person from some cretin of society. When I'm out and about, especially London, the anonymity available to others without consequence makes me ultra paranoid about my surroundings. Using a phone is the type of thing I wouldn't want to draw attention to myself for.

Stay safe, everybody.

 

[BeefCake 15]

Imagine if...

Police suspected you of a crime and wanted access to your iPhone/iCloud, they could just stick it up to your face.

Imagine if...

Someone at a bar wanted to steal your iPhone, they could potentially do something like just quickly put a case on it, open the camera and ask to take a selfie with you, essentially unlocking the phone.

Imagine if...

Someone you live with wanted to play a prank, or a kid in the household got your iPhone while you were sleeping.

1. They could stick your finger on it too...
2. They can swipe it away from you while you're browsing the phone, easier...
3. stick your finger on it while you're sleeping, even easier.

I like TouchID but those are all overstretches that can apply to anything.
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Enjoy typing in your password: password

It's actually capital "P", thank you *tips Fedora*

 

[jamesrick80]

Hey Siri unlock my phone.
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What kind of idiot would store bank account numbers without using another type of password storing app? Why would her family be taken away? You have wild imagination.

Didn't state anything that u stated above...thanks

 

[Glideslope]

Correct. But some people on here don't understand how facial recognition would work. If it has to be two factor then what's the point? Password method is still the most secure as somebody can cut your fingers off if need be.

Generally speaking, when such a situation arises it's hands, feet, head. Eliminating Facial Recognition, Touch ID, and Password Entry.

 

[dogslobber]

Generally speaking, when such a situation arises it's hands, feet, head. Eliminating Facial Recognition, Touch ID, and Password Entry.

In summary, it's the physical access V mental access. You have to coerce a felon to give you access to a phone via password whereas a cop can just grab your thumb to gain access. If you resist the cop in any way then you'd get done for resisting and the cop will probably pummel you into submission. I expect there will be a spike in people dying from police neck holds when Apple formally introduces facial recognition. Then again, maybe the facial authentication technology will be able to refuse you access if you appear to be distressed. I'd hate to be in QA when they test that type of functionality.

 

[Jimmy James]

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