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If the Apple Watch ban is upheld...
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That’s a lot of faith you’re putting in a bureaucracy that does a lot of absurd things, including approving drugs without requiring any real evidence that they’re actually effective…
We replaced my wife's Apple Watch in October to get one with an oxygen sensor. We wish that app was available as a widget, but it isn't, so she needs to have a watch face with complications. We need that app. But we would replace her watch again to get future sensors and especially health alarms.
I don’t think there’s a chance of it actually being removed from future watches.
Best case scenario, and what seems the most likely to me, is that apple settles eventually and coughs up the licensing costs.
Best case scenario, and what seems the most likely to me, is that apple settles eventually and coughs up the licensing costs.
Obviously the only answer to the poll is Yes, because an import ban does in fact prevent you from buying an Apple Watch.
Worded poorly.
Worded poorly.
I'm still using my AW5 so I don't have experience with the O2 sensor. It never really interested me and actually didn't know what it was for until this thread. I'm hoping Apple will be able to reach some sort of an arrangement as I would be happy to see the feature (as well as other new ones) in the AW10 which I am planning to upgrade to.
I don't care at all about that sensor. If I had blood oxygen issue I'd just use a dedicated device to measure that. My watch is just there to show my notifications and use some apps here and there, I could do without all the sensors.
I couldn’t care less about Massimo, they are not the ruling and governing authority.. the FDA is the ruling and governing authority and their decision is the important one.
I put faith in them because I’ve actually attended medical school and I’ve seen things that most armchair doctors never see. That, and I don’t allow myself to be swayed by conspiracy theory and public opinion.
This will, very, very clearly be settled early in the new year. Apple will either pay them or find a software workaround, and this exaggerated news cycle will be over.
Please describe the approval process for pharmaceuticals in the space of mood disorders, including providing evidence of efficacy which is the part I focused on.
Please also provide the proven mechanism of action via particular receptors on reuptake and bioavailability of serotonin, norepinephrine, and dopamine, and FDA support of those claims of “it is believed to work” on pretty much every single medication in those classes.
Feel free to go back over half a decade to TCAs if you need to.
Don’t worry. I’ll wait.
If you went to medical school and paid attention in any of your pharma biology or pharmakinetics classes, then you’re aware that what I’m talking about has nothing to do with “conspiracy theories” or “armchair medicine.”
People completely misunderstand what FDA approval is and is not.
I am required to answer to my medical training, not to some stranger I met on a forum.
I'm surprised no one's mentioned this: according to the Waveform Clips guys, Apple had poached the Chief program manager Edit: Medical Officer and several top engineers from Masimo, they developed a similar (same?) O2 sensor technology, and even had the gall to apply for a patent under the poached Med Officer's name.
If so, this could end in several different ways...
Edit: Kernal of the story is in the first four minutes or so:
If so, this could end in several different ways...
Edit: Kernal of the story is in the first four minutes or so:
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So in other words you agree with me. Brilliant. Facts are facts, after all. Thank you.
Just saying, nobody is fighting over tech that doesn't work. If Apple and/or Massimo didn't believe that the tech was solid, this case would have been settled years ago. I'm not going to try to convince you about the AW's implementation... but the FDA is not necessarily the rigorous testing house that you are implying. While I do put a good amount of trust in the decisions that they issue, their silence on any given product means almost nothing. It's not as if they studied the AW and found it lacking... they just haven't looked at it, because (afaik) Apple hasn't submitted it for approval. Personally, I wouldn't rely solely on it for any medical decisions, but I'm not aware of it getting clowned on when people test it informally.
Didn't realize that many people use this feature. Oddly only in recent years has my Dr started to add this to pre-check when I go for bi annual followup along with Temp, BP, and Weight, etc.
That sounds like a you problem if the frequent upgrades let you down, you knew what you’d get before you got it.
Maybe the Series „X“ will finally bring something to the table that excites even you.
These guys are a little off on the analysis.
The Masimo patents began life in 2008 and they have submitted multiple applications over the years for the same tech but with different claims. The inventors signed away their rights to Masimo, so Masimo can keep filing patent applications under their names since they are still the inventors even though they have no patent rights.
In other words, there is nothing to see here.
Edit to add: by law, the inventors must be listed on all applications for which they were inventors.
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What a cop out. Brings up medical training for expertise and follows up with this non sense. Im calling BS all around.