my 2011 15inch runs about 15-20 degrees cooler than my 2007 15 inch it is replacing. its much quieter too.
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If you are concerned about heat/fan noise, go 2010 or wait for Ivy Bridge
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Interesting, the 2010 stays quiet. Currently doing a project with 15 instruments ( like Omnisphere and Massive ) with about 30 compressors & EQ's from Waves and some other 3rd party plugins, still only 2000 rpm.
The 2011 models I tried out in the store run warmer than the 2010 models, which weren't even warm to the touch on the topside, but they run cooler than older models. Of course, with four real or eight virtual processor cores, if a really large task is thrown at these new machines, they'll max out the power supply and heat up accordingly.
I'd honestly rather Apple offered a 15 with a 35-watt processor, but I didn't see anything to compare with the little Chernobyls that Apple was selling as "notebooks" in 2006.
It will be interesting to see if Intel's Ivy Bridge will involve a four-core processor at 35 watts.
By the way the Anandtech review is extremely informative on this, pins much of the blame on Apple's primitive power management of the dedicated GPU, and notes a third-party freeware app that enables you to manually control the GPU and run full-time on integrated graphics if you wish. There are huge differences in power consumptions between these different settings.
I'd honestly rather Apple offered a 15 with a 35-watt processor, but I didn't see anything to compare with the little Chernobyls that Apple was selling as "notebooks" in 2006.
It will be interesting to see if Intel's Ivy Bridge will involve a four-core processor at 35 watts.
By the way the Anandtech review is extremely informative on this, pins much of the blame on Apple's primitive power management of the dedicated GPU, and notes a third-party freeware app that enables you to manually control the GPU and run full-time on integrated graphics if you wish. There are huge differences in power consumptions between these different settings.
Ahh... exactly the kind of feedback I was hoping for! ...... could you say what model 2010 you are using which audio program and ~ what the processor loading (in %) you saw for this session.....
Thanks much!!
-Lee
The processor loading is about 30%. Logic 9 btw.
I saw an article from iFixit that some of the 2011 MBP have poor thermal paste applied. Maybe bring it back and let Apple check out the thermal pasting.
Would be strange if the fans go hard under such mild loadings.
Excellent info again!
Please which model macbook pro are you running?
The temps I am getting seem pretty consistent with all the posts I have read on this model. Still could be something there (though a bit too far under the hood on a new machine for me
......-Lee
On Global Service Exchange (GSX; i.e. the web-based front end for Apple Authorized Service Providers), we can download a "Cooling Systems Diagnostic Utility" explicitly and exclusively for the Early 2011 MacBook Pros (Yes, all three sizes of them). Apparently, Apple has had some quality control problems in the factory with this particular generation with the cooling sensors and with the thermal paste and is offloading the clean-up responsibility for the affected models to the Apple Authorized Service Providers and the Apple Retail Store Genius Bars. It doesn't mean that every unit will have these problems, just that a high enough number of them do and that you better believe that Apple is on the case. As for those of you who are affected, bring it into either a genius bar or your local AASP, or, if you are within your return period, exchange the machine for it. No biggie.
deal with it
Laptops get hot and need fans.
The fact that the MBPs are all aluminium means they conduct the heat more and feel hotter than other plastic machines. I had an Acer a year ago that when I took it apart to upgrade ram had actually melted the inside of the case.
Laptops get hot and need fans.
The fact that the MBPs are all aluminium means they conduct the heat more and feel hotter than other plastic machines. I had an Acer a year ago that when I took it apart to upgrade ram had actually melted the inside of the case.
Well yeah, but that doesn't negate the fact that there is an ACTUAL Apple QC fail that is causing THEM to take extra measures that they didn't do in all of the other generations of Unibody Aluminum MacBook Pros. It's one thing for them to be hot due to the Aluminum acting as a heatsink, it's another thing to have a poorly attached heatsink assembly and sensor array and THAT'S the problem at hand that matters here.
Also, there's a difference between normal heat and abnormal heat. Same with fan RPM speeds. This isn't a "get over it, laptops get hot issue". If it were, you wouldn't see Apple trying to cover their ass like they are now.
How is Apple covering their ass?
It sounds more like they are trying to correct a problem. To me there is a difference.
They are covering their ass by correcting the problem and stat. Or would you like to argue semantics now?
"On Global Service Exchange (GSX; i.e. the web-based front end for Apple Authorized Service Providers) has listed a "Cooling Systems Diagnostic Utility" explicitly for the Early 2011 MacBook Pros (Yes, all three sizes of them). Apparently, Apple has had some quality control problems in the factory with this particular generation with the cooling sensors and with the thermal paste and is offloading the clean-up responsibility for the affected models to the Apple Authorized Service Providers and the Apple Retail Store Genius Bars. It doesn't mean that every unit will have these problems, just that a high enough number of them do and that you better believe that Apple is on the case. As for those of you who are affected, bring it into either a genius bar or your local AASP, or, if you are within your return period, exchange the machine for it. No biggie."
Now THAT is a valuable new piece of the puzzle. It's good to know people aren't imagining things, and even better to know that AASPs and Apple Stores may be sympathetic/open to listening to issues in this area. That actually gives me a lot more confidence.
Now THAT is a valuable new piece of the puzzle. It's good to know people aren't imagining things, and even better to know that AASPs and Apple Stores may be sympathetic/open to listening to issues in this area. That actually gives me a lot more confidence.
Yeah, they're on it. It also gives the "laptops get hot" argument no relevant weight and the "mine is fine"/"mine also has that problem" no use.
No, they too get hot and have fans. Also it isn't the future of MacBooks until we see MacBooks that start to look like that. KTHXBYE
Mine is quiet and cool.
This is the first MBP I am going to keep - I returned/sold off MBPs in the past due to heat.
This is the first MBP I am going to keep - I returned/sold off MBPs in the past due to heat.
Rev A MacBook Airs had to be underclocked significantly so things wouldn't get fried. Has it been verified that this isn't the case with the new Airs?
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Please use Celsius when stating temps. It is the standard when discussing CPU temps.
What? Poorly attached heat sinks? Where? I have seen terrible thermal paste applications but nothing about this, care to elaborate?
The macbook air has no future in my world. No dedicated GPU = no future.
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I find it hard to believe that people who are so dedicated to the MBP that they post here don't know much about MBAs...but long story short, Steve Jobs said that the Mac Book Air is the future of the notebook when he introduced the major revision this fall--this is what people are referring to. It's a future with integrated storage on flash memory, so that mechanical drives are eliminated, as well as the elimination of optical drives. I don't know how this will work in the MBP, but that's the direction Apple is headed.
And yes--the latest MBAs are night and day more advanced than the earlier models. And they have no heat issues.
And yes--the latest MBAs are night and day more advanced than the earlier models. And they have no heat issues.
2010 models were also available with high-res screens.
According to those who own them, MBA's are not "absolutely silent." They, too, have fans which will run audibly during high load times. And it's easier to tax an MBA than an MBP, I should think.
MT
Per my punctuation, I was referring to the iSight HD, introduced with the 2011 models.
As for the MBAs not being always absolutely silent--that's true. I did hear a 13" fans running while playing SC2. I have never actually heard my 11" fans until just now--I ran a couple instances of /dev/null, and there they were.
Practically, however, *if* a MBA could fulfill your needs, which means doing things within its specifications--one never, ever hears them.
The new quadcores are still 35w, but the new MBPs use faster memory and a video chip that runs a good deal hotter (apparently).
I have an i7 720qm in my laptop, it's a bit thicker than a MBP and has a fan that's on all the time. The upshot is at idle, it may be noisier, but at full load it's much quieter than most laptops I've used at full load.
You wanted a powerful laptop ,you got it!
I have an i7 720qm in my laptop, it's a bit thicker than a MBP and has a fan that's on all the time. The upshot is at idle, it may be noisier, but at full load it's much quieter than most laptops I've used at full load.
You wanted a powerful laptop ,you got it!