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In terms of overall usability jump (meaning not just the Phone itself, but also related technology like cell network speed and app maturation), the iPhone 6/6s may be the best two years of IPhone of all time. My gold 6s was much faster (due to more ubiquitous LTE), much more useful (apps like Uber were becoming more popular), took clearer photos, etc. That was a great time to be an mobile phone user. Most updates since them have been incremental
Heh, the 6 was my least favorite iPhone of any I've had, and I skipped the 6s. The 5 was probably my favorite upgrade ever for its 4" screen and LTE (and that form factor is still awesome and the last form factor for which I didn't use a case).
 
i came from Samsung N20 Ultra and the iPhone 12 Pro Max is definitely a good phone.But what youre experiencing is like what i read alot in AC Forums saying a user switched from an older Samsung to the latest Samsung but the user thinks it isnt worthed it... the issue is "same brand"... try switching to an Android and youll know.
 
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i came from Samsung N20 Ultra and the iPhone 12 Pro Max is definitely a good phone.But what youre experiencing is like what i read alot in AC Forums saying a user switched from an older Samsung to the latest Samsung but the user thinks it isnt worthed it... the issue is "same brand"... try switching to an Android and youll know.
Smart choice going for the big boy, exynos 2100 s21 ultra users are already reporting poor battery life 3h usage, how you finding the switch to the pro max?

Upgraded to the 12 pro max from my xs max, can’t believe how good the battery life is on this big boy.
 
Heh, the 6 was my least favorite iPhone of any I've had, and I skipped the 6s. The 5 was probably my favorite upgrade ever for its 4" screen and LTE (and that form factor is still awesome and the last form factor for which I didn't use a case).
The 6 series was DOA because of the 1 gig ram, my favorite phone is the 6s series, still performing like a champ in 2021. Can’t believe how well it runs when I see someone using one.
 
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Smart choice going for the big boy, exynos 2100 s21 ultra users are already reporting poor battery life 3h usage, how you finding the switch to the pro max?

Upgraded to the 12 pro max from my xs max, can’t believe how good the battery life is on this big boy.

I too upgraded from the XS Max to the 12 Pro Max and battery life has been like night and day. I used to have to charge my XS Max twice a day before I got home vs now I don’t charge until I get home in the evening from work, and that’s with listening to music for 6 hours or talking for 4 hours.
 
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I upgraded from iphone 7 all the way to iphone 12 mini(4 years). Its not worth it. If you have a newer device its even worse since you will see less benefit.

Everything works just the same and while performance is snappier its not $800 snappier. Also if you are a notch hater and home button lover dont. The phone is also heavier and thicker than iphone 7. You are way far better off with SE.

The only people I would recommend to upgrade to the 12 are the following:-
1-You have to have the latest and greatest

2-Camera is most important part of the phone for you, every pixel count

3-You want the most powerful chip to run the greatest and most demanding apps.

4-If you feel iphone 7 screen is too small

If you are a smartphone user who uses social media, emails, web browsing, phone calls...There is no reason to upgrade. If you have to upgrade get SE or wait for the 13 if you feel just fine with the current phone.
I completely agree with you. And normally I wait at least 4 generations or longer to upgrade. But this time it is different. Unfortunately my iPhone X touch screen stopped working on a third of the screen. So I got a replacement screen on eBay and a new third party battery and put it in. That was about three month ago. The new screen is flawless, but the battery degraded to 90% in that short time. So I decided to go with a blue iPhone 12 now and sold the X to get at least some coin back. I figured, I have a stable job now, so I got one now that will last me a long time into the future. Who knows what will come down the pipe the next three years with all the repercussions from all that pandemic and the never ending money printing. S€#@& will hit the fan at some point in time. Get prepared for the reset As long as you can As soon as you can.
 
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Smart choice going for the big boy, exynos 2100 s21 ultra users are already reporting poor battery life 3h usage, how you finding the switch to the pro max?

Upgraded to the 12 pro max from my xs max, can’t believe how good the battery life is on this big boy.
its not that i had a choice...i wanted to get the S21 Ultra but it starts shipping on the 28 February 2021...which i dont like because i have paid.So i took the gamble and bought the 12 Pro Max and im shocked...literally shocked that its a big jump from what i had experienced on my XS Max few years back.Overall its actually better for me personally as i have OCD about everything on my phone(physical/digital) and i trust Apple's security more.And dont forget the build quality of the 12 Pro Max...its so fine :D
 
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its not that i had a choice...i wanted to get the S21 Ultra but it starts shipping on the 28 February 2021...which i dont like because i have paid.So i took the gamble and bought the 12 Pro Max and im shocked...literally shocked that its a big jump from what i had experienced on my XS Max few years back.Overall its actually better for me personally as i have OCD about everything on my phone(physical/digital) and i trust Apple's security more.And dont forget the build quality of the 12 Pro Max...its so fine :D
You dodged a bullet with the s21 ultra, lots of people already reporting poor battery life and camera use causing the phone to display a overheating message.

Welcome back to the walled garden. 🌻🌺🌸
 
Tens of millions would disagree with me here when I say that more than half of those millions of upgraders upgraded just because they could, not because they needed to.
Exactly zero new car buyers do so out of need, it is because they want to. There are plenty of used cars that still take you from A to B, and are always better for your pocketbook. Phones are exactly the same.

I didn't need to stop using my 6S, but wanted the smaller form factor of the Mini (I use my phone a lot one handed) and the significant (in my opinion) tech upgrades. So yes, I upgraded because I wanted to, not because I needed to. No way could I justify the cost - and I paid full price. Two months later I'm still glad I did. Fantastic phone better than the 6S in every single way.
 
Ehhh 7 didn’t have a great battery life. But I see where he or she is coming. There’s not much the changes between iPhone upgrades. My use is the same though I do upgrade 2 yrs or so now.
 
You dodged a bullet with the s21 ultra, lots of people already reporting poor battery life and camera use causing the phone to display a overheating message.

Welcome back to the walled garden. 🌻🌺🌸
but seriously i never had good SOT with Samsung phones.Be it middle or flagship...even my Xiaomi has better SOT.And dont forget the weak signal.im glad my 12 Pro Max is not like that or ill be going crazy since it costs so darn expensive.And im also glad i didnt get a defective screen.
 
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The mini is not $800, it’s $699. Your initial post is about the 12 mini but you seem to keep switching back and forth between the 12 and 12 mini. There is far more to how the iPhone is designed beyond it simply just being snappier. Apple is trying to optimize the performance of the A series CPUs such that they perform better and use less power. Yes, the benefit is a snappier experience but also better battery life. No other manufacturer of CPUs is able to get the performance in a low power package like Apple does. And this trend is going to even get better. There is a supposed benchmark of the 8-core A14X that has a multi-core score around 7200. If true that is mind blowing performance for a CPU designed for an iPad without needing a fan to cool it. Plus it gives a glimpse of what is the basis for the next Mac ARM CPU.
in Indonesia the 64GB 12 Mini is USD$978...
 
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but seriously i never had good SOT with Samsung phones.Be it middle or flagship...even my Xiaomi has better SOT.And dont forget the weak signal.im glad my 12 Pro Max is not like that or ill be going crazy since it costs so darn expensive.And im also glad i didnt get a defective screen.
Had my 12 pro max since launch, still can’t believe how good this battery life is, never need to charge the phone more than once a day, finish some days with over 50% battery left.

Problem is people get sucked in by these YouTube battery test, in real world use Samsung is mediocre at best when it comes to battery life, the phone loses battery while sitting there, their phones have never been efficient.

People here in Australia are already complaining they’re getting 3 hours usage on their s21 ultra before needing to charge again lol. Some have restored their phones 3 times already, very disappointing for a phone that has a 5000 mAh battery and cost &1,849.
 
but Apple aftersales in Australia is perfect.Apple aftersales in Indonesia is total rubbish...they would take 2 months just to repair the screen...
Not wrong there, plenty of apple stores here, always get looked after if I need to pop in to a store.
 
Not wrong there, plenty of apple stores here, always get looked after if I need to pop in to a store.
the only reason i bought an "official" 12 Pro Max here is because of the new law which says :"one must buy official phones with tax and bla bla or you wont get signal"...

so the government recently bought this machine(Central Equipment Identity Register) to restrict IMEI... thus forcing users to only buy those "offiicial" phones.Because a lot of Indonesians are buying from Singapore,Australia and America.
 
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the only reason i bought an "official" 12 Pro Max here is because of the new law which says :"one must buy official phones with tax and bla bla or you wont get signal"...

so the government recently bought this machine(Central Equipment Identity Register) to restrict IMEI... thus forcing users to only buy those "offiicial" phones.Because a lot of Indonesians are buying from Singapore,Australia and America.
Which that very machine is performing erratically. Some international units getting signal, some only 3G, some doesn’t getting any. But me myself not getting any chances, paid the official unit for roughly USD 145 more than a Singapore unit, with poor after sales service in mind.
 
I upgraded from iphone 7 all the way to iphone 12 mini(4 years). Its not worth it. If you have a newer device its even worse since you will see less benefit.

Everything works just the same and while performance is snappier its not $800 snappier. Also if you are a notch hater and home button lover dont. The phone is also heavier and thicker than iphone 7. You are way far better off with SE.

The only people I would recommend to upgrade to the 12 are the following:-
1-You have to have the latest and greatest

2-Camera is most important part of the phone for you, every pixel count

3-You want the most powerful chip to run the greatest and most demanding apps.

4-If you feel iphone 7 screen is too small

If you are a smartphone user who uses social media, emails, web browsing, phone calls...There is no reason to upgrade. If you have to upgrade get SE or wait for the 13 if you feel just fine with the current phone.

Every thing you have mentioned was already public knowledge upon the Mini's launch. Especially the fact that it is "heavier & thicker", those are literally provided as the dimensions of the product on Apple's website.

Additionally the 3 out of the 4 points you have mentioned are honestly most of the reason people want to upgrade in the first place! (I'm excluding wanting the latest and greatest).

If you don't want these 3 improvements, why would you upgrade in the first place? And if you don't want these improvements but still upgraded, then whose fault is that? 😆

People want faster silicon, best-in-class cameras and a larger screen without having a substantially larger phone. Especially from a device that's 4-5 years old. That is exactly the draw of the iPhone 12 Mini.
 
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Exactly zero new car buyers do so out of need, it is because they want to. There are plenty of used cars that still take you from A to B, and are always better for your pocketbook. Phones are exactly the same.

I didn't need to stop using my 6S, but wanted the smaller form factor of the Mini (I use my phone a lot one handed) and the significant (in my opinion) tech upgrades. So yes, I upgraded because I wanted to, not because I needed to. No way could I justify the cost - and I paid full price. Two months later I'm still glad I did. Fantastic phone better than the 6S in every single way.

You are right, and you validated my statement with your own experience.
 
Which that very machine is performing erratically. Some international units getting signal, some only 3G, some doesn’t getting any. But me myself not getting any chances, paid the official unit for roughly USD 145 more than a Singapore unit, with poor after sales service in mind.
youre also Indonesian?good i have backup for proof of trash aftersales.its horrible in Indonesia yes...no wonder last time people always go overseas to buy or get it from online shops.
 
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