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This royal throne of kings, this scepter'd isle,
This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars,
This other Eden, demi-paradise,
This fortress built by Nature for herself
Against infection and the hand of war,
This happy breed of men, this little world,
This precious stone set in the silver sea,
Which serves it in the office of a wall,
Or as a moat defensive to a house,
Against the envy of less happier lands,
This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England ....
 
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When life hands you lemons, make lemonade.

Okinawa is not about lemons, it is about occupying a foreign country.
US Americans are the only nation on earth who is naive enough to believe that occupied countries like their occupyers....
What kind of typical US-culture can the USA be proud of ?
It was Clint Eastwood who once put this question in a discussion - followed by his own answer about this: "the one and only piece of US-culture we can be proud of is - the culture of our slaves: the Blues"

One could not better nail it than clint eastwood did....


As for "where do you like to live?"

99,9999% of the people answering don't really KNOW more than some little information about this point on earth they think to be happy if living there. And the very rest of is wrongly extrapolating the "experience" of some weeks of holidays they had there as tourists - and are naive enough to think they have enough information to be capable to make a considrable choice....

As for me, I am an expat and live and WORK not far (Bout 1000 km) away from my own country, both are in Europe.
But even in between Europe you have enormous differences in culture and way of live, different infrastructures.
And so on. After about 12 years of living there I know well: the best place to live on earth is where your best friends Re living. Mostly, this is still in the country where you grew up and made friends for live.
Of course you make friends (I am talking about FRIENDS, not superficial people pretending to be your friends after a glass of wine or just people you know just a little bit, I am talking about REAL FRIENDS) in other countries. But your country was your country ans will stay so - in most cases. That is the reason why the vast majority of expats come back - sooner or later.
I am not an exception, I will do so as well.
 
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After about 12 years of living there I know well: the best place to live on earth is where your best friends live.

Hear! Hear!

That said, it's never too late to make new friends. We now live year-round in a beautiful place most people only get to visit for a week or two in the summer, but it's the new friends we've made among our neighbors that makes it worthwhile to be here.
 
Hear! Hear!

That said, it's never too late to make new friends. We now live year-round in a beautiful place most people only get to visit for a week or two in the summer, but it's the new friends we've made among our neighbors that makes it worthwhile to be here.

Read carefully again what I wrote and don't get me wrong again...
I made also REAL FRIENDS in the country were I live and work now. Friends I can count on as they can as well in every possible circumstances count on me. I have friends with origin of many different countries and I like exchange of thoughts and understanding of other countries culture, people, very, very much, it is a real eye-opener and enriching.

Do you work in this country like I do? Perhaps not - perhaps you are already retired? That makes a big difference. It is more like being tourist for years.
 
I'd live with the victoria secrets models... I don't care geographically where that is - with the exception leeds or detriot!
 
I have never been rude, and go above and beyond to defy the "ugly American" stereotype. Funny thing is, for years people have [wrongly] assumed that I'm Canadian.

I'm not sure why the US occupies a place that nobody wants to be, causing everyone (both occupiers and the occupied) to be totally miserable.

That said, I think you're the only person I've heard of to have had a negative experience in Okinawa. Okinawan culture is quite a bit different from mainland Japanese culture, and quite a bit slower. "Island time" and all that. I'm surprised you had a bad experience with people who are largely considered some of the most polite and non-confrontational in the world...unless you were extremely rude.

US Americans are the only nation on earth who is naive enough to believe that occupied countries like their occupyers....
 
Scandinavia or Switzerland suit me just fine. But to be honest, it's pretty darn nice here in Canada.

Good choice indeed. Both the scandinavian countries and Switzerland still have intact democracies and outstanding social security - and a very respectful culture.

Switzerland has perhaps the best REAL democracy of all industrial nations. The citizens can directly influence laws by proposing laws as well as voting Y/N each time.

THAT means real democracy....
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I have never been rude, and go above and beyond to defy the "ugly American" stereotype. Funny thing is, for years people have [wrongly] assumed that I'm Canadian.

I'm not sure why the US occupies a place that nobody wants to be, causing everyone (both occupiers and the occupied) to be totally miserable.


Well - i am NOT talking about you - but the absolutely and ever-brilliant Randy Newman nailed the problem of the selfish US-perspective perfectly with this song already in the 70's... Sadly this perfect analysis is still 100% true about US foreign policy and the way too many US citizens look at other countries and nations and cultures..

 
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Okinawa is not about lemons, it is about occupying a foreign country.
US Americans are the only nation on earth who is naive enough to believe that occupied countries like their occupyers....
………...
As for "where do you like to live?"

99,9999% of the people answering don't really KNOW more than some little information about this point on earth they think to be happy if living there. And the very rest of is wrongly extrapolating the "experience" of some weeks of holidays they had there as tourists - and are naive enough to think they have enough information to be capable to make a considrable choice....

As for me, I am an expat and live and WORK not far (Bout 1000 km) away from my own country, both are in Europe.
But even in between Europe you have enormous differences in culture and way of live, different infrastructures.
And so on. After about 12 years of living there I know well: the best place to live on earth is where your best friends Re living. Mostly, this is still in the country where you grew up and made friends for live.
Of course you make friends (I am talking about FRIENDS, not superficial people pretending to be your friends after a glass of wine or just people you know just a little bit, I am talking about REAL FRIENDS) in other countries. But your country was your country ans will stay so - in most cases. That is the reason why the vast majority of expats come back - sooner or later.
I am not an exception, I will do so as well.

I have to say I am amazed by the certainty with which you dismiss the perspectives of others, and the ease with which you choose to sit on judgement on their choices.

You don't know them, and nor can you know the sum of their lived life experiences.

Some of have posted here have undoubtedly worked abroad, lived abroad, studied abroad, as well as taken holidays abroad, and are more than perfectly capable of making such a choice for themselves. Some are introverts, and have less need of endless human interaction, while their friendships take place on a less perfervid plane, while others are extroverts and could not conceive of a life lived without their orbiting circle of friends.

Life abroad - working, and travelling, and the experiences you have there - may change you fairly fundamentally. You may find that your friends back home change in your absence, - or, acquire other compelling priorities, such as children and spouses - and that the shared past cannot substitute for, or compensate for, the looser ties of the present.

There was a time, over twenty years ago, when I saw a group of friends almost weekly. Their lives remained in my home town, mine moved to other cities, (work and study), and finally, other countries and continents, sometimes, for years at a time. Now, I may see some of them once a year. It is great to meet and catch up, but our lives have taken different directions. Now, if I were to meet them weekly, I fear I'd be bored out of my mind.
 
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close enough... but im on the right, the neighbour of sweden...

edit. oj, du är svensk... så.. lite till höger därifrån men inte tills ryssland :p

haha härligt! Finland gissar jag på då :p Ni har det ju bra ni mä :)
 
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