If you replace your iMac every decade then a separate Mac + display is useless to you

[LeeW]

This is instead a LG32" 4k ergo, with an integrated ergonomic arm: big difference here.

That's what I have. Excellent monitor.

 

[Longplays]

Agreed. And honestly "even" the M1 is no slouch. I blast through design work all day long on mine, nary a hiccup or beachball in sight.

Although I'd prefer the M2 Pro for better I/O and better base memory & storage.

When you start doubling RAM and SSD of the M2 then the price starts approaching a base model M2 Pro.

 

[ignatius345]

Although I'd prefer the M2 Pro for better I/O and better base memory & storage.

Of course. But if one likes the iMac form factor and is OK with the smaller display, it's a very capable machine for a lot of uses.

 

[John099]

Yeah, I'd expect there would be a net $ savings, which is why companies do it.

If an employee earns $20/hour = $30/hour with benefits, and saves just 10 minutes/day (= 0.17 hours/day) by not having to constantly switch which window is displayed, that's ~240 working days/year x 0.17 hours saved/day x $30/hour = $1200/year saved—far more than the cost of an extra $200 monitor (which is the kind of display people are typically supplied).

That's why the argument that "margins are too tight to afford an extra monitor" doesn't make sense unless you're a small business that doesn't employ people who are constantly on the computer—like, say, a mom-and-pop bodega. But once you get big enough to employee an office manager that spends all day doing payroll and accounts receivable (and you don't need to get very big before you need that), things are different.

Plus there's employee retention, which is affected by employee satisfaction, which is affected by whether the employees are given good tools for the job.

Ergonomically, though, I think dual monitors are suboptimal because the dividing line is in the center of your vision. I think the standard should be three displays: one good-quality (high-res) central monitor, and a pair of lower-quality monitors angled on either side. That doesn't take much more width than two monitors arrayed flat.

Anecdotally as well, I've noticed the Honda dealer I take my car most if not all service advisors have two monitors. Not sure they need it.

 

[satcomer]

I don't like this design, the monitor even for a basic model is too small, they should have made it at least 25 and 28 or 32" for bigger iMac.
then there is no possibility of using a VESA connection unless you order the precise model during the purchase phase and then the rear doors are incomplete.
So a mac mini with a good monitor is better.
imho

1988 in calling you back! Visa? I haven't heard of port sense II was kid back in 90s!

 

[Longplays]

In light of WWDC 2023 faiing to update the now oldest Macs I am open to getting an external display.

I have a 2019 MBP 16" that I bought in Jan 2020 under the assumption that Apple Silicon would be a performance improvement equivalent to PPC to Intel.

Bad assumption. Big mistake.

No one pointed out that it would be a jump from 14nm to 5nm nor was it a SoC thus reducing any possible latency to a minimum

I'm now exploring either a Dell U2723QE or LG 34WN780-B.

Anyone with experience using either with a Mac? Having a built-in RJ45 Ethernet port is a +.

 

[Mark.g4]

1198 in calling you back! Visa? I haven't heard of port sense II was kid back in 90s!

This is a VESA mount, you can install it in few minutes on old iMac:

on new iMac 24" is not possible, you must disassembly your computer with glued screen.

 

[Mark.g4]

In light of WWDC 2023 faiing to update the now oldest Macs I am open to getting an external display.

I have a 2019 MBP 16" that I bought in Jan 2020 under the assumption that Apple Silicon would be a performance improvement equivalent to PPC to Intel.

Bad assumption. Big mistake.

No one pointed out that it would be a jump from 14nm to 5nm nor was it a SoC thus reducing any possible latency to a minimum

I'm now exploring either a Dell U2723QE or LG 34WN780-B.

Anyone with experience using either with a Mac? Having a built-in RJ45 Ethernet port is a +.

I use a LG32 UN880, that is the same of LG34 but in 16:9, Lg34 is in 21:9, and I am very satisfied excellent value for money.
With MacBook Air M1, the power delivery of 60w is enough to power it and leave the power supply in the box.
Some small problem with the monitor in stop, after the latest Ventura update, which was not present before, but I think it will be solved with a new update ... nothing to worry about...
There is a topic about this monitor.

 

[Mark.g4]

@Longplays
take a look also to Asus Pro ART 27" 4k with a deltaE<2 is a good monitor.

 

[alexgillan]

I would like to add an important aspect on ergonomics, because in many civil states, ergonomics is regulated by laws on the video terminal worker, because incorrect ergonomics is the cause of illness, so to work even for a few hours it is important to be positioned correctly at the desk .
Here's what happens with the new iMac.
You are forced to put something underneath, because especially for taller people, the monitor is too low, but the serious thing is having removed the possibility of installing a vesa mount after the purchase. It's something that doesn't make sense, because needs can change.

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This is instead a LG32" 4k ergo, with an integrated ergonomic arm: big difference here.

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the new iMac is a consumer computer, limited in many things, some very important, despite being a very powerful, performing and aesthetically beautiful machine.
But ergonomics are always important, whether I'm working or watching my favorite movies when relaxing at home.
Previously, on older iMacs, you could install this after purchase:

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now you have to decide during the purchase phase if you want the aluminum foot or the vesa mout and then you can't change anymore.
To me that is nonsense, even on a consmer computer.
Many consumer and cheap monitors have the vesa mount...

This is very strange because 20 years ago, with the imac G4 they had focused a lot on the ergonomics of the workstation (on a consumer machine) and on the possibility of positioning the screen correctly and it was a fantastic computer in those years, with all aspects taken care of.

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I really love the iMac G4 design and I wanted the M1 iMac screen size without having to add the a Mac mini inside of it. and I think the marriage of them does some justice for the ergonomics of it. the movements are a bit limited as the neck is from a 15" iMac but I managed to add some filler gouges to support the hight at a stable level.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1671184326011019264

 

[uller6]

I suppose it was just luck my G3 and eMac never gave me any issues either? The only grief I had with any of them was the door of the optical drive tray on the eMac would sometimes stick. That was it. That was the extent of mechanical failure over three distinctly different devices from the same company over a twenty-one year period. Thats a fair bit of good luck. As such I figure Apple was doing something right when assembling each of those machines. Consequently that gives me the confidence to stick with the company because I feel they’ve earned my loyalty to their brand.

My uses are mine and I don’t pretend to represent anyone else. But the fact is these three devices met or exceeded my expectations for how I use them.

That’s a good long track record of durability that mirrors my experience. I have had very few hardware failures over my 30+ years using macs. My first Mac, a IIcx died after a lightning strike. My PowerBook G4 had a bunch of keyboard issues and a bad ram slot that required 3-4 replacement machines within a year. Every iMac I’ve had has been flawless. I’m still running a 2009 machine offline (with win 10) for some specialized software because the hardware is awesome.