If you think Apple Watch is not worth it...

[fitshaced]

I don't know enough for the Fenix 3.

Apple has immense reputation in making a great mobile device.

They have an history of having gen 1 products that work well, but with a limited feature set. Little features, but that work well, are cohesive and well tested.

ie, missing the mark.

If you don't know enough about the competition, why are you on this thread?

Apple has a great reputation in making the iPhone. The Smart Watch is an entirely different category. Answer me this, what do you see as the limitations of the Apple Watch over the competition?

 

[FlatCable]

ie, missing the mark.

If you don't know enough about the competition, why are you on this thread?

Apple has a great reputation in making the iPhone. The Smart Watch is an entirely different category. Answer me this, what do you see as the limitations of the Apple Watch over the competition?

Missing the mark on what?

The Apple Watch surpasses all other watches.

The smart watch is a smaller iPhone in terms of hardware.

Answer me first, what are the advantages of the competition?

The only point it is beaten, is with watches like the Gear S, that work standalone, but those aren't either good smartwatches, neither good phones.

 

[fitshaced]

Missing the mark on what?

The Apple Watch surpasses all other watches.

The smart watch is a smaller iPhone in terms of hardware.

Answer me first, what are the advantages of the competition?

The only point it is beaten, is with watches like the Gear S, that work standalone, but those aren't either good smartwatches, neither good phones.

The Apple watch surpasses nothing yet. It's also not a smaller iPhone as it doesn't offer the same level of interaction or consumption of media (or creation for that matter). Do yourself a favour let the Apple Watch try to impress you rather than buy it blind expecting it to impress before it even gets unwrapped.

Competitor devices have built in GPS, waterproofing to 100m, multi-platform compatibility, longer battery life and better health stat interfaces.

Now your turn. What do you see as the limitations of the Apple Watch over the competition. I'm not asking for you to justify any limitations, just to list some.

 

[OllyW]

For me, it's not just a question of "If you think Apple Watch is not worth it" it's whether or not any smartwatches are worth it.

The Apple Watch looks to be the best offering so far, both in features and build quality and I don't think the prices of the Sport and the Watch are excessive compared to other smartwatches. I just haven't seen any stand out features in any the presentations that make me want to rush out and buy it straight away.

 

[FatMax]

To me, this thread is absolutely pointless.

There is no other watch on the market, nor will there ever be, that offers the kind of integration that Apple Watch does.

All the others will only ever have notifications that aren't actionable or offer music control.

Some has started calling the "competition" SmartDisplays already, I think that´s a correct term for them. For Android, they work much better.

 

[Ries]

To me, this thread is absolutely pointless.

There is no other watch on the market, nor will there ever be, that offers the kind of integration that Apple Watch does.

All the others will only ever have notifications that aren't actionable or offer music control.

Some has started calling the "competition" SmartDisplays already, I think that´s a correct term for them. For Android, they work much better.

What does the apple watch do that others don't? Any limitation on the iphone is not beacuse the others don't want to integrate, it is because Apple API limits third parties.

 

[fitshaced]

To me, this thread is absolutely pointless.

There is no other watch on the market, nor will there ever be, that offers the kind of integration that Apple Watch does.

All the others will only ever have notifications that aren't actionable or offer music control.

Some has started calling the "competition" SmartDisplays already, I think that´s a correct term for them. For Android, they work much better.

Smart display is such a silly term. But then again so is smart watch. Smart suggests intelligence ie ability to learn. These things don't learn, they acquire data and respond to metrics and formulas. But anyway, if the Apple Watch is a smart watch, it is so because it has connectivity and tells the time. That's true of all products in this category and so they are all smart watches. Apple did not invent this category.

Apple also limit the competition to IOS compatible smart watches by locking down their own mobile OS and iPhone hardware. If that's winning, they tied the shoe laces together of the other runners. I'm not suggesting that they should change that and make IOS or the Apple watch version open source, I think they should keep it as it is. But, you can't deny the obvious anti-competitiveness in it.

But, do they make the most useful smart watch for iPhone users? You can answer yes if you're prepared to accept compromised functionality for extra needless features.

 

[bmac4]

then what is a better deal than the 349/599/10k apple watches?



what better watch/anything can you get for 399?



what better watch/anything can you get for 599?



what better watch/anything can you get for 10k?



Just curious.

I will start off with saying I am getting an Apple watch. I have been waiting on Apple to make a watch that worked with iOS as well as this does. I have a Pebble currently, and while it works. It's just not the same as having something that is built into the OS. That being said:

For $399- well for starters you could get a regular watch that would last for years to come. I would argue that is more value for money. Also most android wear watches are at least $100 cheaper than the Sport. I don't want to argue which is better, but I will say that Apple has not done anything to make the Apple watch $100 more than the android wear watches.

For $599- Again a regular watch that will last years. If we go to the top line of the Apple Watch at $1150 we are talking a nice Swiss made watch. I say you be much better off with the Swiss watch if you want something that will have function as value beyond 2 years.

For $10k- I will say a Rolex. Also I am pretty sure you can get a decent used car for that kind of money. Sorry this is just a waste of money no matter how you look at it.

I think the Apple watch is really nicely made (just like everything Apple makes). The software is really nice too, but it's not some kind of game changer that makes it worth $100 more than any of its competition. I think they have made a great time piece, but for pure value for your money. A nice Swiss made watch will do a lot better than this.

 

[chrise2]

I love my Pebble. I get all my notifications on it. It tells the time. I can control the playback of music on my iPhone and also see what's playing. Its water resistant and last multiple days on battery life. Its a fantastic watch. The new version coming out looks even better and does even more.

I'm still getting the Apple watch. Its a different way of thinking for making a smart watch. I like Pebble's way of thinking, but I'm also going to give Apple's a try.

Honestly, I love the look of the Moto 360 and I would have gotten that if I had an Android phone.

 

[thejadedmonkey]

You'll have to convince me that any watch - and the compromises it comes with - are worth it first. I prefer bands..

Then I'll show you a watch that's just as useful as an Edition watch, but 16,400 cheaper.

 

[Dwalls90]

I think the point most people are trying to make is that they can get a regular watch for much less. They also don't see the Apple Watch as being capable of doing anything that you couldn't do by taking your iPhone out of your pocket.

Don't get me wrong, I'm for sure getting an Apple Watch, but I understand how others can perceive it to have a high cost for the convenience it adds.

Don't fully understand this argument.

When the iPhone came out, there were plenty of basic flip phones that were free with contracts, while the iPhone held a $649 premium. Both an iPhone and basic flip phone allowed you to call and text, but the iPhone had additional functionality.

This Apple Watch versus an "other" watch are no different. Most non-Apple watches that are in the same level as the Apple watch (in terms of material) cost at least $100, and you can get an Apple watch for $349, so the premium disparity is around $250 and not $649.

 

[kingofwale]

If 18 hours is a day, then 6 days is weeks!

9 hours is a full day (if you go by new Macbook's standard). so 6 days must mean 2-3 weeks.

 

[Tsuchiya]

The fundamental issue is that we see technology as disposable.

You buy an iPhone, and expect it to be outdated in a few years time. It's expected.

Watches on the other hand are utilitarian. We buy them and keep them until they break. You pay more for higher quality materials, better mechanicals, and at the high end you are in the market for timepieces that you may one day hand down to your children.

Apple is combining the two, so there is confusion. The value of the Apple Watch hinges on its lifespan. Apple currently upgrade their technology every few years, so if the Watch follows this product lifecycle then it becomes harder and harder to justify.

 

[Arran]

Here's a thought. Best Buy have the Martian Notifier on sale today for $70. That gets you discrete "quick glance" notifications on your wrist (which seems to be one of the main must-haves of the Apple watch). Things like: caller ID, SMS, voicemail, calendar, e-mails, social media, fitness stats, news headlines, phone "leash", etc. 3-4 days battery life. All in a conventional analog watch package that's cheap enough not to worry about damaging/losing.

For another $130, you can get the Withings bluetooth blood pressure monitor (tracks heart rate too). I'd argue knowing your resting blood pressure is more important than heart rate - for many of us here, at least.

The two of them together are $200.

Oh yeah, and for free, you still have your trusty iPhone in your pocket to do all that other cool stuff on the full-sized UI you're used to.

 

[jwball]

Smart display is such a silly term. But then again so is smart watch. Smart suggests intelligence ie ability to learn.

Why does it? Are you saying a smartphone should be intelligent and able to learn?

 

[FlatCable]

The Apple watch surpasses nothing yet. It's also not a smaller iPhone as it doesn't offer the same level of interaction or consumption of media (or creation for that matter). Do yourself a favour let the Apple Watch try to impress you rather than buy it blind expecting it to impress before it even gets unwrapped.

Competitor devices have built in GPS, waterproofing to 100m, multi-platform compatibility, longer battery life and better health stat interfaces.

Now your turn. What do you see as the limitations of the Apple Watch over the competition. I'm not asking for you to justify any limitations, just to list some.

Competitors have some things the Apple Watch doesn't have, but lack in so many others.

No force touch, no speaker phone, no tactic feedback (like the digital crown), and better health stats in what?

Nobody, for example, uses Wi-Fi of your home/office to extend the range of the watch.

Or NFC payments untethered from the phone.

Or an auto-aligned charger that's doesn't have exposed electrical contacts...

Or offers such a choice in bands and sizes and materials.

And quick exchange bands.

And so much more.

 

[redman042]

The problem with the Watch is that the benefit of having one is not super obvious. It's like the iPad, which was viewed as a solution to a problem nobody had.

But the more time people got to spend with an iPad, the more they loved it. And then Apple sold tons.

I'm certainly going to get an Apple Watch on launch day. I think a lot of people remain unconvinced, but over time, many of them will get to see one on their friends wrists, or try one in a store, and their minds will end up changing. It will just take time.

 

[mrex]

If you think Apple Watch is not worth it...

And why "Apple" is "Apple"? Because they don't put out crappy consumer products. That's how you earn reputation like Apple's. Despite people like you pretend that's just by chance or by force.

the reputation is around a smart marketing and good press. Their expensive devices are good but not perfect, and some were crappy...

and when the watch is out, then you can compare what is better (for you)... and no, im not getting awatch because i dont even have iphone =P but i like my sony sw2 steel which i bought for my Note10.1 and now using it with my OPO... but... i really dont know is it worth to buy a smartwatch when you have a regular phone (i bought it because i kept my Note in my bag all the time)... i keep widgets on the screen (watch) which tells me where and when i should be, emails, messages etc., but i still feel it is abit useless. For sure i like to check from my wrist who is calling or so, when it is raining/snowing, but still... i still think it is abit toy for geeks... i dont think i save any time watching my watch than taking my phone out from my front pocket.

if you like to be "online" all the time, then you will love your watch. you can "forget" your phone and get all notifications and reply then. Im not sure is it a good thing or a bad thing when you dont have any free time anymore.. only way to be "offline" is to put your watch away too. but people are differend...

 

[cardfan]

I tend to justify this based on usage. I haven't worn a watch regularly since, well, never really. Maybe for a few months here and there. But I don't view this as a watch. It's something else. A wrist computer.

Back to usage, it'll be on my wrist all day every day and charging at night. It's always available for use constantly. No, it won't be on constantly but it has the ability to do what my iphone can't. Notify me. Moreso with reminders than anything else for appointments. Messages or calls, second. I miss a lot as it is. Usually it has to be muted.

A quick glace at my wrist because it nudged me, yep, need to do that. I don't need everything work related coming at me, but I would like what I value and that varies for everyone. You can customize this.

Anything else is just gravy IMO. Maps while hiking, not having to hold your phone. Leaving the phone charging at home and taking calls on watch. And probably the list will go on.

I remember when push email was a big thing. I think of a smartwatch as push iphone notifications because I'll actually see them in more of a real time basis. Many Blackberry users wanted the iphone to have a blinking light for alerts. Screw that, the watch is the ultimate notification center.

Anyways, 12-18 hours every day of using a wrist computer is easily worth as much, if not more, as an ipad that I hardly used. PC-->iphone-->smartwatch. Forget ipad, enter smartwatch. With lesser use, forget annual iphone updates, it'll be every two years.

 

[Arran]

But the more time people got to spend with an iPad, the more they loved it. And then Apple sold tons.

You could be right there. Once people get to play with one in the store, they'll start to understand what it's all about. It's how I fell in love with the iPod photo (my first idevice): I drifted into an Apple store one evening to kill time, picked an iPod up off the table, played for about 20 minutes, went back next day to double-check and quickly bought two! It was pretty-much a $1000 impulse buy - but one that I was convinced was a good decision (I don't part with cash easily). The Apple stores really revolutionized self-service product familiarization and very soft selling.

The watch is going to be sold differently, however. First off, you'll have to be interested enough to make an appointment - what a royal pain in the neck.

And if you can be bothered enough to go that far, you still won't get to play with one yourself for as long as you like. From what I understand, there's going to be an Apple salesperson hovering over you for your allotted 15 minutes - and then it's time up, and on your way sir.

It's a very un-Apple way of selling. Not at all 'free and easy' which has been Apple's hallmark so far. It really undermines what the stores have been all about.

 

[fitshaced]

Why does it? Are you saying a smartphone should be intelligent and able to learn?

Get a clue mate. The term 'smart' for any device be it phone, tv, watch or car does not fit.

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Competitors have some things the Apple Watch doesn't have, but lack in so many others.

No force touch, no speaker phone, no tactic feedback (like the digital crown), and better health stats in what?

Nobody, for example, uses Wi-Fi of your home/office to extend the range of the watch.

Or NFC payments untethered from the phone.

Or an auto-aligned charger that's doesn't have exposed electrical contacts...

Or offers such a choice in bands and sizes and materials.

And quick exchange bands.

And so much more.

Spoken like a true Apple salesperson. I ask you to list the limitations, you list the features. Also, The Fenix 3 has built in Wifi and I believe that the Apple watch uses an adhoc wifi network to the iPhone. That could mean that the iPhone is not on your home wifi when using that connectivity to the watch and so you'd be using your cellular data. I'm prepared to be proven wrong on that.

Also, the force touch is one reason this watch can't be used under water. A feature that doesn't have much of a use but helps limit the usefulness of the watch.

You should try to be more balanced with your reasons to buy an Apple Watch. All you've done is proven that you are sucked in by the hype so far and are buying this thing without it proving anything to you yet.

 

[Tinmania]

Here's a thought. Best Buy have the Martian Notifier on sale today for $70. That gets you discrete "quick glance" notifications on your wrist (which seems to be one of the main must-haves of the Apple watch).

Thanks for posting about the sale! I had a moto 360 and ended up returning it due to battery life and didn't need to read much on the screen. I mostly liked getting notifications on my wrist. Sounds like the Martian Notifier will do that and if the notifier part battery dies I still have a watch. Ordered it. Thanks again.




Mike

 

[FlatCable]

the reputation is around a smart marketing and good press. Their expensive devices are good but not perfect, and some were crappy...

Good Press????

To Apple???

That's something you never get.

How many articles you want with bad press for Apple? Specially with erroneous facts?

How many articles you get from the working conditions at Samsung, LG, BlackBerry, Nokia/Microsoft, Xiaomi plants?

Some of the aforementioned brands, make their products at the same site as Apple?

Etc. etc. etc.

 

[cnev3]

The software is what will make or break the Apple Watch, not the hardware. If there are a handful of killer apps for the watch, it will be a must have product. What developers and apps did for the iphone originally, it can also do with the watch. I'd give it 6-12 months for Apple and developers to bring the device to it's potential.

 

[jwball]

Get a clue mate. The term 'smart' for any device be it phone, tv, watch or car does not fit.

The term smart can also be used for the appearance of something. What other word would you use to differentiate a dumb phone/tv? Assuming another word fits better in your example.