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I'm favoriting this as the best reply ever given on MR. This is true and to the point and honest. I am so sick and tired of everyone and their mom calling themselves "photographers" shooting on automatic modes or claiming professional status after getting laid off from their day job and taking a photography course from the local college.

I'm not bashing emerging photographers - I think that's great and it's a beautiful thing to have amazing images. But until then, the best thing to do is shoot more, learn more, talk less. Otherwise you'll just sound like someone trying to compensate for your skill (or lack thereof)

Thanks.. I have a personal love for photography and have many good friends in the industry and have assisted with some amazing fashion photographers like THIS GUY AND THIS GUY. I have assisted in some of the pics you see on the site. I don't consider myself a professional in any degree but I have work that I am extremely proud of especially for my short stint in the industry. Heck my 3rd creative I used a fresnel. I have gained a lot of knowledge but at the end of the day it is a fraction of what great professionals have. I understand the challenges and the problem solving required on a shoot and in the profession as a whole. Great photos are inspiring and heart warming and personally fashion and editorial are my favorite. I guess that is why in some way I find OPs posts agitating.

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Wow that went way over your head. I was implying your comment was a bunch of fluff with no substance. Stating the obvious as if you speak with experience. You replies are comical and moronic. Thank you for linking your site for the world to see.
 
Apple support OpenCL in all drivers for all their GPUs. It was available since 320M and higher end cards. Windows test has nothing to do with that. Im pretty sure that under MacOS you are getting OpenCL support from either AMD or nVidia.

For upgradeability, tell me more how you're going to install 32Gb in you current laptop. And if you want, I'm pretty sure you can get aftermarket 1Tb SSD upgrade from OWC in near future. SSD upgrades are hard to swallow even though it's possible to find relatively cheap 2.5" versions. But I'm not putting HDD inside of the laptop anymore.

Bottom line:

Please, do you research on Apple's OpenCL driver for 650M and realize that it has nothing to do with Cuda/OpenCL support in Windows.

I wanted to mention that it varies. Photoshop seems to still be working out the bugs with the new NVidia gpus. Barefeats had some initial testing where some things wouldn't run on the 650m. Their updated tests showed improved results. You should also keep in mind that OpenCL isn't supported by absolutely every gpu. The Quadro 4000 doesn't offer it, and it is available directly through Apple for the Mac Pro. After Effects is still basically CUDA.

http://barefeats.com/aecs6.html

I am wondering if this will become OpenCL compliant. It would be nice.

You are obviously not a traveling photographer - this is the best notebook for someone who needs their computer on location / in the studio / across the country and the world. If you're traveling 2 weeks every 2 months you'll change your mind real quick.

I've tried everything and I can guarantee you this is the best machine for retouching on the go - ever. And I've tried every mac possible.

I'd have trouble doing that without a big display, but I can understand that may not be feasible for you. Just the space allocated to ui elements would make the maximum size of the image pretty small when zoomed out to see the entire thing. It does look pretty sweet for a laptop display, but I updated last year, so I'm fine for now. If I traveled constantly, that would be different.

I went to the Apple store twice and sat there playing with the machine and looked at my photos on it. Both time I spent 30 minutes on it. I really wanted to buy it but the more and more I thought about it, I just couldn't. It's not like a can't afford the machine, I can easily sell my late 2011 MBP for around $1800 and come up with the rest no problem.

That's pushing it when the 2.5ghz 15" with high res anti glare display is $1829 in the refurb section with a full warranty. I probably wouldn't flip such a recent machine either, but do not kid yourself into thinking that they don't depreciate. These were These were $2449 as they were cto models. Computers are sunken costs.

When I travel to a location that's not in NY, I am usually gone for 10-14 days - those days out there still means I need to get editing done. I'm not going to lug my 27" display around so the next best is in getting a laptop with the best possible screen. Previously, that was a 17" matte display Late 2011 MBP.

I'd still have trouble doing major editing on one of those. It seems like it would drive me crazy.

Most likely his workflow is well.. inefficient. It wouldn't cross my mind if he is using different color space NOT Adobe or sRGB and just by eye in a "NORMAL" screen. I also wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't completely understand color gamut on random pre retina (LCD screens) and the obvious impact to pictures. Also what the heck is edit twice and "NORMAL" screen? SMH!

I don't know how people (not you) are silly enough to believe they must edit it for different resolutions. You typically edit at native resolution. This doesn't change by display size or pixel pitch. I realize photos sometimes look different when zoomed out. Part of that is just from drawing errors at non standard magnifications.

Doesn't need to be relevant or logical. It is the fashion industry. From across the globe to here it is the same and there are certain tools Professional will only work with. It is not all appearance and branding but it is to some degree. AlvinNguyen is right if you use PC you will not be taken seriously as a PROFESSIONAL. It is the fact and if you are trying to make a career in the fashion industry you might as well quit before you waste your money on gear.

I wouldn't worry so much about Mac or PC these days. Years ago compatibility was a much bigger issue. As long as you can maintain a seamless workflow you are fine. The use of Macs started with desktop publishing, and even in that area, you have shops that employ PCs alongside the Macs in their arsenal. Some of the retouching/prepress shops employed CG years before it had any kind of maturity under OSX. I can think of at least a couple big ones that used 3ds max on Windows based workstations. Look up Impact Digital or Taylor James for reference.

So I all I out of this thread is the rMBP is lighter, which is great for traveling photographers. I understand that and I'm not arguing that. But the software for the resolution is not even close prefect. Why should a photographer rush out and get one now when Adobe CS6/lightroom 4 is not retina ready? Like I said I will get one in the future when it's more mature.

It's easier to wait for things to stabilize. I'd agree with that. If you live close to an Apple store (I think I have 3 within 5 miles) you can easily play with one. 8GB of ram should be sufficient for testing purposes, and it doesn't matter much which cpu is used.
 
The pixel density is something photographers working for print have needed for a while. The machine is too slow, the display is too small, and not wide enough gamut for professional work though—fine for a mobile workstation though, I suppose.

We need new Mac Pros and retina cinema displays with a wide gamut and writable LUTs for pro work. Realistically, I can’t see it happening, but maybe once Apple produce retina cinema displays, companies like Eizo and NEC will be forced to produce them to compete.

If you can name a professional fashion photographer using anything BUT a Mac I'll retract everything I say and issue an apology. If you even bring a PC into a creative meeting I guarantee you will not be taken seriously.
I agree that you should be buying a Retina MacBook Pro if you need a mobile edit station, but I know a lot of photographers that have been switching to Windows machines because the hardware is two generations ahead of the Mac Pros now, and when you’re working with the top end of Nikon/Canon’s offerings or Medium Format backs, the speed difference is huge. Most of the big tools are multi-platform and work just the same on Windows as they do on OS X. Apple really needs to pull their finger out and do a serious revision of the Mac Pros soon, or they are in danger of losing the professional market. They’re already losing the video segment with things like Final Cut “Pro” X

Calibrated, the color accuracy of the rMBP is awesome. The color is even really good out of the box... it was mostly just too contrasty. But it covers sRGB perfectly. That's all that matters to me. EVERYTHING I output is in sRGB. I don't need to see AdobeRGB or ProRGB. It's great that my apps work in those spaces, but I don't need to see it.
You only do work for the web? If you’re shooting RAW and printing your work, sRGB doesn’t cut it at all.
 
[Anti-Retina rhetoric...]
Shush, you'll wake the pack of Rabid Apple Fanatics, oh no, too late. Cue the barrage of "You're too stupid to Think Different™ like how Tim told us to" and "you're just jealous of how rich I am".

Didn't you know expressing opinions which are not directly aligned with Apple's current marketing is a crime around here?
 
You are obviously not a traveling photographer - this is the best notebook for someone who needs their computer on location / in the studio / across the country and the world. If you're traveling 2 weeks every 2 months you'll change your mind real quick.

I've tried everything and I can guarantee you this is the best machine for retouching on the go - ever. And I've tried every mac possible.

Want credentials? www.alvinnguyen.com

How does it compare to the 2012 "classic" Macbook Pro, spec'd with an SSD? Is there really that large of a difference?
 
Doesn't need to be relevant or logical. It is the fashion industry. From across the globe to here it is the same and there are certain tools Professional will only work with. It is not all appearance and branding but it is to some degree. AlvinNguyen is right if you use PC you will not be taken seriously as a PROFESSIONAL. It is the fact and if you are trying to make a career in the fashion industry you might as well quit before you waste your money on gear.


Aside the fact that I refuse to ever go back to windows, walking into a meeting with a PC laptop is lookin shooting myself in the foot. It's unbearable! LOL and you're right on making money in the fashion industry - you have to do with it love and passion. The money WILL come if you're not focused on it!
 
1. Adobe Photoshop CS6 + OpenCL GPU acceleration is only on AMD graphic card at this time. Nvidia gimped GPGPU in the 600 series so probably will not be supported in CS6. There's a possibility Adobe will only support openCL and plan to drop CUDA, because they don’t want to develop something that only half the world can use.

There might be support in the future with Nvidia cards but I like to buy computers to use for today not the future. This is a huge deal for photographers.

source

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPDGIcNi4gI

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2251507

Abode has always been slow on being up 2 date with technology.
In a few months everything is perfected for the rMBP.

2. Most professional Photographers I know use an external monitor that's colour calibrated when editing photos. There's not many "Professional" that would edit all their photos only on a laptop screen specially when it's glossy. I know I wouldn't and I'm pretty picky with my photos.

To be honest I can't tell the different from a non Retina (late 2011 MBP with HR-AG)vs a Retina screen from normal viewing distance unless I'm looking at the screen around 8" inch away. And who the hell sits that close to a screen at all time and edit their photographs professionally? I think it's just more of a gimmick/luxury for photography right now than any real practical use.

I read about 1001 articles with people that OWN a rMBP saying the screen in so much better then previous models.


3. Bootcamp looks blurry/fuzzy at 1440x900, 1650x1050 or 1920x1200, native resolution at 2800 x 1800 everything looks to small to be usable. And the other resolution looks like ass. The gpu can’t handle games at 2800 x 1800 and 1gb is not enough for that resolution.

Who cares for Bootcamp.

4. No Matte options – having the laptop in the field (outside bright sunlight) sometimes it’s hard to control the light so glossy is no good. I’m fine with glossy in door when I can control the light such as at home or at a studio. But the point of having a laptop is to be portable.

No matter which laptop screen you get they all suck in direct sunlight.

5. No upgrade options – I would like to grow with my computer, don’t want to buy a whole new computer to upgrade the memory or disk space. The trade off to be thinner by losing the upgradeability is not worth it because it’s still a 15” laptop. It’s not like the old model was thick.

Wrong! you can't change CPU or RAM but Flash memory storage is possible.

Those are the final nails in the coffin that I will not be getting one. This is clearly a first gen product that still needs some of the bugs to be worked out. Some people have reported UI lag and Some Retina MacBook Pro Users Experiencing Display 'Ghosting'.

I am very disappointed that some of the photographers gave the thing a great review(Now I know they are biased fanboy); I’m not going to mentions any names. There might be other industries that would benefit greatly from this computer but as a photographer I don’t think it’s something a professional photographer would need.

Well uhmm.... you're giving us a some sort review and you don't even own a rMBP. ;)
 
Don't most *professionals* earn enough to change gear every year anyway?

As a motion designer, I have budgeted thousands of pounds per year on hardware and technology. This notion of *waiting* a whole year for the next one because it's not perfect is silly given just how much of an increase in productivity these things can provide in the interim.
 
Don't most *professionals* earn enough to change gear every year anyway?

As a motion designer, I have budgeted thousands of pounds per year on hardware and technology. This notion of *waiting* a whole year for the next one because it's not perfect is silly given just how much of an increase in productivity these things can provide in the interim.
Being a "professional" just means that it's your main source of income and not a hobby, that doesn't guarantee you're making good money, especially these days with so many people picking up cheap DSLRs and advertising as "wedding photographers" and so much cheap stock photography out there. These days, you're either really big and can charge a lot for your work, or you're really small and just getting by. The middle is disappearing.

And as a professional, the Retina MacBook Pro would not be suitable as your main workstation. Spending that kind of money for a portable workstation really depends on how much work you do offsite etc, and is harder to justify.

Consider yourself lucky that you're making good money in a job that can be easily outsourced for a fraction of the cost.
 
Being a "professional" just means that it's your main source of income and not a hobby, that doesn't guarantee you're making good money, especially these days with so many people picking up cheap DSLRs and advertising as "wedding photographers" and so much cheap stock photography out there. These days, you're either really big and can charge a lot for your work, or you're really small and just getting by. The middle is disappearing.

And as a professional, the Retina MacBook Pro would not be suitable as your main workstation. Spending that kind of money for a portable workstation really depends on how much work you do offsite etc, and is harder to justify.

Consider yourself lucky that you're making good money in a job that can be easily outsourced for a fraction of the cost.

Maybe its because Pro Photography is a doss and an easy university degree for all the scrubby students who think life is a joke and they can wallow their way through it selling pictures that even my nan could take on a nokia phone.

Facebook is full of "Pro" Photographers.... all have a DSLR and a pirate copy of photoshop and suddenly they are Pro's

Id bet only the top 1% in the profession are of any kind of quality and they arent the people who will whine about a Macbook on a website like this.
 
I'm not a photographer, but more of a digital musician, which is loosely analogous.

My question would be: Is the retina display designed to make images look gorgeous? or is it designed to be as faithful as possible?

In the music production world, it is far more important to get speakers that are honest than flattering. In the living room, flattery is better, of course.
 
I think the egos in this thread are exploding out of control! Professional or amateur photographer, it doesn't matter. An amateur these days can have the same technical knowledge and possess the same "eye" as a 'professional.' Just cut the OP some slack, let him have his opinion.

I've personally always been platform agnostic. I've got both Macs and PCs floating around the house, and being, myself, a 'professional' in the Film VFX industry, we've seen a dramatic shift towards complete PC integration into our workflows. 3D have always been PC, but us, in the land of 2D were mainly Mac until around 2 years back, when people cottoned on that you could build insanely powerful PC workstations that schtonked the Mac Pro in every aspect and at a fraction of the cost.

The whole "walking into a meeting with a PC under your arm, rather than a Mac" being a cardinal sin in the creative industry is pure spicy sandwich salami. A Mac is just 'seen' and not 'heard.' It's a fashion accessory, a Louis Vuitton purse, or a Prada shoulder bag. Don't get me wrong, or do, as it happens on these kind of forums, as I'm still using my MBP to type this, but for practical use, power to price point, I'd hit a PC any day.
 
I think the egos in this thread are exploding out of control! Professional or amateur photographer, it doesn't matter. An amateur these days can have the same technical knowledge and possess the same "eye" as a 'professional.' Just cut the OP some slack, let him have his opinion.

I've personally always been platform agnostic. I've got both Macs and PCs floating around the house, and being, myself, a 'professional' in the Film VFX industry, we've seen a dramatic shift towards complete PC integration into our workflows. 3D have always been PC, but us, in the land of 2D were mainly Mac until around 2 years back, when people cottoned on that you could build insanely powerful PC workstations that schtonked the Mac Pro in every aspect and at a fraction of the cost.

The whole "walking into a meeting with a PC under your arm, rather than a Mac" being a cardinal sin in the creative industry is pure spicy sandwich salami. A Mac is just 'seen' and not 'heard.' It's a fashion accessory, a Louis Vuitton purse, or a Prada shoulder bag. Don't get me wrong, or do, as it happens on these kind of forums, as I'm still using my MBP to type this, but for practical use, power to price point, I'd hit a PC any day.


I agree with you that egos are exploding, but it's the OP's that is. Someone who does not have the technical nor the "eye" of a Pro - clearly shown by his work - is giving false information to others. Most of us have already written off his claims but a huge part of the creative professionals are tired of hearing claims of someone being a "cinematographer" or "photographer" just because they bought a DSLR. Do you know how many "guy with camera" is out there taking sleazy pics of young girls? It's people that pretends they know what they're talking about that bothers me. It's not even how long they've been doing it for. I know people who've shot for 10 years who still don't quite understand it. So you're right in saying it's not whether a pro of amateur is better - you just got it or you don't.

In case you haven't noticed fashion is about how beautiful things look - the Mac is a sexy machine. And I do care about how my gear looks - there is a reason why things looks uniform and well placed into my gear kit - it has to be well designed, well built, and works with everything else flawlessly. That being said, I only brought up that point because another poster suggested other PC machines - which neither myself or the majority of my clients use. We prefer the Mac OS for our workflow. I'm speaking up in regards of that.

And yes, first impression matters. You can only imagine the amount of explanation you have to do if a photographer show up to shoot a major campaign with a $100 powershot. It can look beautiful in the right hands, but until one reaches that status, they will have to do a lot more convince their client to give them that contract. That being said, if a company out there makes something just as sexy, light, works wells and fast I wouldn't hesitate to switch - I've switch from Nikon to Canon back to Nikon because they had what I need. I'm not hesitating to switch if Microsoft has something else to offer. I just don't see it anywhere in sight.
 
I went to the Apple store twice and sat there playing with the machine and looked at my photos on it. Both time I spent 30 minutes on it. I really wanted to buy it but the more and more I thought about it, I just couldn't. It's not like a can't afford the machine, I can easily sell my late 2011 MBP for around $1800 and come up with the rest no problem.

Somehow, this doesn't seem like a very good test. :rolleyes:
 
I agree with you that egos are exploding, but it's the OP's that is. Someone who does not have the technical nor the "eye" of a Pro - clearly shown by his work - is giving false information to others. Most of us have already written off his claims but a huge part of the creative professionals are tired of hearing claims of someone being a "cinematographer" or "photographer" just because they bought a DSLR. Do you know how many "guy with camera" is out there taking sleazy pics of young girls? It's people that pretends they know what they're talking about that bothers me. It's not even how long they've been doing it for. I know people who've shot for 10 years who still don't quite understand it. So you're right in saying it's not whether a pro of amateur is better - you just got it or you don't.

In case you haven't noticed fashion is about how beautiful things look - the Mac is a sexy machine. And I do care about how my gear looks - there is a reason why things looks uniform and well placed into my gear kit - it has to be well designed, well built, and works with everything else flawlessly. That being said, I only brought up that point because another poster suggested other PC machines - which neither myself or the majority of my clients use. We prefer the Mac OS for our workflow. I'm speaking up in regards of that.

And yes, first impression matters. You can only imagine the amount of explanation you have to do if a photographer show up to shoot a major campaign with a $100 powershot. It can look beautiful in the right hands, but until one reaches that status, they will have to do a lot more convince their client to give them that contract. That being said, if a company out there makes something just as sexy, light, works wells and fast I wouldn't hesitate to switch - I've switch from Nikon to Canon back to Nikon because they had what I need. I'm not hesitating to switch if Microsoft has something else to offer. I just don't see it anywhere in sight.

Alvin, never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level, then beat you with experience.

Your work speaks for itself (btw great work), and so does Apple's. I understand the frustration that people are spreading their opinion like it's the Gospel, but you won't change it. Nor do you need to. In fact, I'm happy the OP didn't buy a retina because that means mine will come that much faster :apple:

The sensational title is quite irritating...
 
And yes, first impression matters. You can only imagine the amount of explanation you have to do if a photographer show up to shoot a major campaign with a $100 powershot. It can look beautiful in the right hands, but until one reaches that status, they will have to do a lot more convince their client to give them that contract.

This. I've heard so many stories of commercial photographers who have clients ask them what gear they are using as part of the interview process. It really doesn't matter how good you are with what you've got. Some clients have this weird pre-requisite in their heads, particularly if you are shooting 35mm, and they wouldn't even consider you unless you were shooting medium format... no matter whether their project needs MF or not.
 
Here are some of my thoughts from other threads. I use Photoshop on less than 5% of my images, so I can wait for that to be updated. People who haven't used this machine really need to stop posting misleading threads.

For a real life perspective, I am currently sitting with my rMPB (set to 1680x1050 equivalent) and high-res anti glare 2011 15" MBP side by side. Both monitors have been match calibrated with the Spyder4Elite. I have gone through several views (desktop, web via Chrome, full screen Aperture images). The rMBP is clearly sharper with better color depth in all cases. The 2011 HRAG just looks softer and when getting close I can see individual pixels. The scaled resolution on the rMBP clearly bests the native resolution of the HRAG. I was ready to hate this display because it wasn't matte, but I just can't do it. Also, beyond the display this machine just rocks (fast, quiet).
I can tell you that for photography, the MBPR running Aperture is an absolutely mind blowing experience start to finish. Importing 20MB RAW images via USB3 to the SSD is astonishingly fast (I am coming from an early 2011 MBP with spinning HD). The image rendering in Aperture is absolutely beautiful. I have been working mostly in 1680x1050, because that is what I am accustom to coming from a machine with the HRAG display. Dialing back to Best (Retina) doesn't give me the real estate I am used to. I thought I would miss anti glare, but I honestly can't imaging this display looking as sharp with AG.

Workflow speed among my camera/CF reader, MBPR 2.6 512 16 running Aperture and Pegasus Thunderbolt RAID drive as just fantastic with no hang ups whatsoever. I have yet to install Photoshop or any of my NIK software plug ins to test those out. Without seeing it yet, we are going to need retina support for Photoshop ASAP though!

I am already addicted to the USB3 card reader speed, with the downside being that I will probably break down and buy an undated Thunderbolt ACD when it comes out with USB3, so I can work fully docked when in my office.

For me as photographer, the MBPR is a step up in every way. The Aperture experience makes me really not care about things like web browser scrolling lag until ML comes out. It isn't even that noticeable unless running my 2011 side by side, or reading these boards too much!
 
To be honest I can't tell the different from a non Retina (late 2011 MBP with HR-AG)vs a Retina screen from normal viewing distance unless I'm looking at the screen around 8" inch away. And who the hell sits that close to a screen at all time and edit their photographs professionally? I think it's just more of a gimmick/luxury for photography right now than any real practical use.


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That i must completely disagree with. When i open the same RAW file on my MBPR vs my 09 MBP there is a huge difference. I do use aperture so i realize that,;) that app is retina ready but still.
 
That i must completely disagree with. When i open the same RAW file on my MBPR vs my 09 MBP there is a huge difference. I do use aperture so i realize that,;) that app is retina ready but still.

Plus I'm blind in my right eye and have depth perception issues sometimes in the left and i even see the difference. LOL

Terry
 
I agree with you that egos are exploding, but it's the OP's that is. Someone who does not have the technical nor the "eye" of a Pro - clearly shown by his work - is giving false information to others. Most of us have already written off his claims but a huge part of the creative professionals are tired of hearing claims of someone being a "cinematographer" or "photographer" just because they bought a DSLR. Do you know how many "guy with camera" is out there taking sleazy pics of young girls? It's people that pretends they know what they're talking about that bothers me. It's not even how long they've been doing it for. I know people who've shot for 10 years who still don't quite understand it. So you're right in saying it's not whether a pro of amateur is better - you just got it or you don't.

In case you haven't noticed fashion is about how beautiful things look - the Mac is a sexy machine. And I do care about how my gear looks - there is a reason why things looks uniform and well placed into my gear kit - it has to be well designed, well built, and works with everything else flawlessly. That being said, I only brought up that point because another poster suggested other PC machines - which neither myself or the majority of my clients use. We prefer the Mac OS for our workflow. I'm speaking up in regards of that.

And yes, first impression matters. You can only imagine the amount of explanation you have to do if a photographer show up to shoot a major campaign with a $100 powershot. It can look beautiful in the right hands, but until one reaches that status, they will have to do a lot more convince their client to give them that contract. That being said, if a company out there makes something just as sexy, light, works wells and fast I wouldn't hesitate to switch - I've switch from Nikon to Canon back to Nikon because they had what I need. I'm not hesitating to switch if Microsoft has something else to offer. I just don't see it anywhere in sight.

I don’t think I have misinformed people at all. Does Adobe Photoshop CS6 support GT 650m? No, not at this time. Does the photos on the web look pixelate on the rMBP? Yes. Any upgrade options for the rMBP? No(someone mention the SSD, but there are no third party SSD right now that you can buy). Is the rMBP an essential tool for photography? It’s nice to have not something that’s a must have.

AlvinNguyen I’m 22 years old, I know I’m not as talented as you and probably never will be as great as you. What I have done with my photography have worked out for me. I’m getting a lot of work, that I can make a living off of it. I pretty much paid my way through college doing wedding through out my college years, started off as a secondary shooter.

If this doesn’t work out for me, I can always go back and be a software programmer since that’s what I went to school for. It’s always good to have two passions if something doesn’t work out, I can always fall back on the other one.
 
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