I agree that way too many people complain about it. I can't wait to get my hands on one to replace my galaxy nexus!!!
I'm more than thrilled to get the 5s!
I'm more than thrilled to get the 5s!
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Why not? What if we can afford to, and like to have the latest and greatest Apple has to offer?
Edit, I guess your answer was more directed to the guy you quoted, and not the public in general, but I have seen threads where people say the same thing.
If I'm gonna buy a new phone every year, I'm sure not gonna whine about it!
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Telling people what they should and shouldn't do lol... I buy a new one every year cause I make decent money and work hard.
God I wish this would come true, sadly though it seems the whiners are here to stay
The trolls will always whine to get a reaction. If you don't like it then dont bother getting one. There are many Android-powered phone out there, even one completely waterproof, even without a special case!
Five years, this technology didnt exist really yet even with the amazing advances, theres not enough to stop the whingers
I have to agree with your thread, even though I was one of the ones complaining at first- I wanted to feel excited, even though I knew it was an S update coming. What we got were some solid upgrades- after the event, once the new features sunk in, I realised they're some of the best features the iPhone line has seen yet. I remember being incredibly excited about the 3GS back in 2009- the 5S is a far bigger leap over the 5 than the 3G->3GS was, so it's quite silly I felt disappointed. I'm not even in the market for a new phone- that'll be next year when the iPhone will be released in a new design and a new size, when people will start actually appreciating the upgrades that the 5S has brought to the table. I think I was just hopeful of something so mind blowing, it'd make me want to sell off my 5 and get a 5S, it wasn't, but that doesn't mean that what we got doesn't make for a great update though. If I had a 4S, I'd be all over the 5S.
I don't think people in here that are criticising Apple and the new 5s are trolls. A lot of them are genuine Apple fans and just looking at their signatures you can see they have a great many Apple products. But like me, they are frustrated at Apple's continuing lack of innovation with the Iphone and an increasing inability to keep up with the competition. I don't want to buy an Android phone, I have the whole 'Apple Ecosystem', trying to integrate an Android device into that will be a PITA. But Apple aren't giving me a choice. They are making nonsensical choices with their new Iphone models, maybe they are choosing profit over innovation, reputation and credibility, irrespectively I think I am justified in feeling aggrieved.
Same. Initial disappointment, then I realized how awesome and innovative the A7 and Touch ID is. I really don't think Apple has lost their innovation, but the products they're releasing lately (gold, iOS 7) are less polished than is customary for them.
Actually people are obviously entitled to think what they like but being disappointed because something that was only ever wild speculation on a rumour site never happened can reach the point of being crazy.
You talk about Apple lacking innovation but it seems to me they've innovated, just not in a direction that you obviously hoped/expected they would do. That doesn't mean they lack innovation, but equally if the product isn't suitable for you then your frustration is understandable.
I myself am a little disappointed that they haven't increased the top end capacity of the 5s to 128Gb, but it's not by any means a deal-breaker for me.
In short this is what Apple gave us 1 year after iPhone 5 release:
1. Took the internals of iPhone 5 and packed them into plastic 5c body.
2. They filled empty iPhone 5 body with new internals and called it new 5s.
3. Discontinued iPhone 5 immediately so to not cannibalise iPhone 5c and 5s sales.
During the keynote Cook introduced iPhone 5c and 5s as two brand new iPhones.
Looks like recycling to me and not something one would expect from multi billion dollar company...
1. Took the internals of iPhone 5 and packed them into plastic 5c body.
2. They filled empty iPhone 5 body with new internals and called it new 5s.
3. Discontinued iPhone 5 immediately so to not cannibalise iPhone 5c and 5s sales.
During the keynote Cook introduced iPhone 5c and 5s as two brand new iPhones.
Looks like recycling to me and not something one would expect from multi billion dollar company...
Didn't read the preceding posts. Here's my two cents as an old-timer.
If you're disappointed, you are upset with Apple's enigmatic response to competition. They held their own pre- Windows 95, but once there was a viable (some would question this term, which goes back to you get what you pay for and Apple certainly offers refined products, but some people want cheap junk and rail against Apple for not targeting them) alternative, they slowly, gradually frittered away their lead. They held on to things like the megahertz myth, which fanboys ate up. Now that their time as having a monopoly in the smartphone wars is over, I see the same enigmatic reaction to the competition. It is clear that a sizable percentage of smart phone users want a larger screen than 4". Yet Apple has stubbornly refined the 5 to the 5S and introduced the 5C, both of which have 4" screens. Now the argument becomes profit margins versus percentage of use. Has anyone else noticed the trend on tv shows that the "cool" product shown is an S4 or something similar? It is not an Apple phone. This worries me because sooner or later, no matter how much more profitable your product is, it will succumb to the vagaries of the market.
TL;DR: I don't think Apple plays catch up very successfully.
If you're disappointed, you are upset with Apple's enigmatic response to competition. They held their own pre- Windows 95, but once there was a viable (some would question this term, which goes back to you get what you pay for and Apple certainly offers refined products, but some people want cheap junk and rail against Apple for not targeting them) alternative, they slowly, gradually frittered away their lead. They held on to things like the megahertz myth, which fanboys ate up. Now that their time as having a monopoly in the smartphone wars is over, I see the same enigmatic reaction to the competition. It is clear that a sizable percentage of smart phone users want a larger screen than 4". Yet Apple has stubbornly refined the 5 to the 5S and introduced the 5C, both of which have 4" screens. Now the argument becomes profit margins versus percentage of use. Has anyone else noticed the trend on tv shows that the "cool" product shown is an S4 or something similar? It is not an Apple phone. This worries me because sooner or later, no matter how much more profitable your product is, it will succumb to the vagaries of the market.
TL;DR: I don't think Apple plays catch up very successfully.
If you didn't expect it from Apple then were you asleep throughout the whole life cycle of the iphone up to now. The 5c is different, yes, but the whole "fill the empty body with new internals" thing is something they did from the 3g to the 3gs, to the 4 to the 4s and now from the 5 to the 5s.
If you want to be disappointed because you expected more then you're obviously well entitled to do so but if you want to be disappointed because Apple are doing what they have always done, apparently without your noticing, then you probably need a reality check.
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I agree with pretty much all of this. I've been on an "S" upgrade cycle since the 3GS, and I'm pretty happy with it. About the only thing that sucks is that because my form factors mimic the previous generation, I don't get the "oohs" and "aahs", but from a pure functionality perspective, the "S" upgrades have been stellar (assuming you set reasonable expectations, which I do).
Why not? What if we can afford to, and like to have the latest and greatest Apple has to offer?
Edit, I guess your answer was more directed to the guy you quoted, and not the public in general, but I have seen threads where people say the same thing.
If I'm gonna buy a new phone every year, I'm sure not gonna whine about it!
I am talking about the people complaining that we dont get a major update every year.
If you dont whine and get a phone every year that is fine, but if someone is going to complain OMG its not a big update, well of course not, if you got the 5 the 5S wont be a huge upgrade but someone coming from a 4 or 4S it will be.
That is why people like that shouldnt get a phone every year.
My main point was, if you dont like the small update then just dont buy a phone ever year but I am sure he will be the first in line to get the new phone
I laughed at the smart stay part! Its seriously bugs me when a person boasts about the 'all new' smart stay which hardly works, if its even useful in the first place. Why would I want to stare at a phone and try to make the display go on and off or something? If i want it off, just press the lock button.
This paragraph from the final words of AnandTech's review sum up the only real issue that I have with the 5S.
The screen size.
Not that I expected them to up the screen size with the 5S, everyone knew it just wouldn't happen in a S upgrade.
But this shows that it's time for Apple to stop being stubborn and evolve to a 4.6-5'' screen. Unlike some people in this forums proclaim, the majority of the user base wants a bigger screen.
The screen size.
Not that I expected them to up the screen size with the 5S, everyone knew it just wouldn't happen in a S upgrade.
But this shows that it's time for Apple to stop being stubborn and evolve to a 4.6-5'' screen. Unlike some people in this forums proclaim, the majority of the user base wants a bigger screen.
In what way are they not 'keeping up' in your opinion? What sort of innovation are people expecting? I keep seeing 'I want a bigger screen' repeated, but what exactly do iPhone users want in the iPhone that we don't already have? I am genuinely intrigued to know. I am more than happy with the iPhone 5. It doesn't drive my car for me or have eyeball readers, but it does the job very nicely. I know Android manufacturers have been pushing the gimmicks in recent years, although slowed somewhat lately, but I always think if I want all that, then I will just get an Android phone. There must be aspects of the iPhone you like, so just to satisfy my curiosity, what do you expect iPhone to be doing to bring them up to the competition?
How is that gimmicky? Exactly how would you like it to function then? Unlocking the home screen when your brain thinks it?
the 5C is really nice for people who want to have ios phone for cheap.
How is 600 for the base model "cheap" when you can get flagships from the competitors for way less. Also if you look at the actual competitors for the 5C (such as S3, Lumia 620/720) they can be had for half of what the 5C costs.
No, the 5C is the true disappointment in my books, and probably what caused the investors to get upset as well.
Look Apple have been in this game 30 odd years, they shouldn't have companies that sell fridges and air conditioners competing with them. Apple are coasting. Their Iphones obviously improve with each new model, but that doesn't mean they're innovating. And the 5S is missing lots of tech that other phones have, waterproofing, NFC, OIS, screen size, etc etc. LG shouldn't bring out a phone that has technology that the Iphone doesn't have. The Iphone should be putting these phones to shame, blowing them out the water, at best they are on a par with. If you really want to go Apple Fanboy you could say the 5S is the best smartphone out there, but even then, it's marginal. It shouldn't be marginal. They are the Ferrari of the smartphone world and Fiat is overtaking them.
I think it is very difficult to innovate in today's market and none of the things you list are innovation, they would be adoption for Apple as others have already beaten them to incorporating those features. Apple were not the first to include a fingerprint scanner on a phone, although they are the first to make it work, but I would draw the line at calling it innovation.
Staying ahead of the competition is a tough business and I could see why a company would be hesitant about doing that. The expectation on Apple right now is huge, imagine if they were in Samsung's position and had a fan-base that demanded a long list of new features for every release? I don't think the lack of innovation is purely in Apple's court, I think they are all starting to struggle to bring significantly new features to the table. Apple aren't doing badly IMO, but then again I come from an innovative industry and understand how difficult this is to maintain. I do think the iPhone is the best on the market or I wouldn't own one. I also understand that is a subjective point of view and not everyone would agree with that. You love the iPhone but are not happy with Apple's progress. My advice would be to say I don't think you are going to have your mind changed any time soon. Might be worth looking towards options that satisfy your innovation search if you value that over anything else.
I think it is very difficult to innovate in today's market and none of the things you list are innovation, they would be adoption for Apple as others have already beaten them to incorporating those features. Apple were not the first to include a fingerprint scanner on a phone, although they are the first to make it work, but I would draw the line at calling it innovation.
Staying ahead of the competition is a tough business and I could see why a company would be hesitant about doing that. The expectation on Apple right now is huge, imagine if they were in Samsung's position and had a fan-base that demanded a long list of new features for every release? I don't think the lack of innovation is purely in Apple's court, I think they are all starting to struggle to bring significantly new features to the table. Apple aren't doing badly IMO, but then again I come from an innovative industry and understand how difficult this is to maintain. I do think the iPhone is the best on the market or I wouldn't own one. I also understand that is a subjective point of view and not everyone would agree with that. You love the iPhone but are not happy with Apple's progress. My advice would be to say I don't think you are going to have your mind changed any time soon. Might be worth looking towards options that satisfy your innovation search if you value that over anything else.
I agree with what you've said, well said
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