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What's your carrier? What is causing these accidental touches?

My carrier is AT&T....but that makes no difference.

I hold my phone tightly. My GS4 is naked and when holding my GS4 firmly (most of the time this happens in bed), when I reach across the device to tap an icon or a link or whatever, my palm hits the display and my touch doesn't register. If there's an app on the side my palm is on, it opens instead.

To use my GS4, I have to shift my hand, and hold the phone with my fingertips on the back of the phone rather than grasping the phone....fine normally, but when I'm lying down and at an odd angle, it's not very steady or firm....

So while I enjoy the bigger display, I'm fine with Apple waiting until they solve this problem. Because for me (I have average hands, though big palms and shorter fingers - likely attributing to my dilemma), the GS4 is not an easily on-handed device. And because of my use case, being able to use one-handed trumps seeing more content.

My eyesight is also pretty good, so no problems there with the 4" display ;)
 
My carrier is AT&T....but that makes no difference.

I hold my phone tightly. My GS4 is naked and when holding my GS4 firmly (most of the time this happens in bed), when I reach across the device to tap an icon or a link or whatever, my palm hits the display and my touch doesn't register. If there's an app on the side my palm is on, it opens instead.

To use my GS4, I have to shift my hand, and hold the phone with my fingertips on the back of the phone rather than grasping the phone....fine normally, but when I'm lying down and at an odd angle, it's not very steady or firm....

So while I enjoy the bigger display, I'm fine with Apple waiting until they solve this problem. Because for me (I have average hands, though big palms and shorter fingers - likely attributing to my dilemma), the GS4 is not an easily on-handed device. And because of my use case, being able to use one-handed trumps seeing more content.

My eyesight is also pretty good, so no problems there with the 4" display ;)

Actually your carrier does make a difference because I wanted to see if you were with AT&T, and could then potentially suggest the Active if your issue was the capacitive buttons.

What I'm gathering is that your palm is not hitting the capacitive buttons but rather the screen itself. Don't really know what to say on that front. I don't have this issue and I have average sized hands. I grasp my phone just fine as I did my iPhone 5. Perhaps you need to stop holding your phone so tightly.
 
Here's a rational, agenda-less view of what I feel.

Am I disappointed in the announcement? Perhaps, at first. Yes, I was hoping that Apple would have been able to stop at least one or two rumors from getting out and that we would be surprised by something we saw yesterday.

I was one who was considering a switch to andriod.

I watched the keynote last night when I got home. It was pretty much what I had expected.

Am I disapointed anymore? No, not really. When whatever emotions I had about the announcement calmed down, I realized that it's just a phone and I have a choice. To continue with the apple ecosystem or dive into andriod for a larger screen.

Then I thought about how much I use my phone. Really, not a lot. Generally for texting during the work day, reading e-mails, checking weather, or using Google Maps for a GPS in the car. When I get home, it's usually all pad all the time.

So...do I really need that big bad andriod screen? No. It might be fun for perhaps a game or two, but really, do I need it?

I think I have decided to purchase a 5S. I have a 4S and it is about time to upgrade. I don't harbor any hard feelings towards apple. I do wish they would change the operating system and at least make it more customizable. And I'm hoping that one day they will. But, as a huge company in the world, they seem to be doing allright.

Yes, you'll hear me on here complaining about lack of customizing and silly little things apple does that irritate me. But, in the end, they got my money, which is what they wanted. So, I have somewhat of a right to voice my concerns. But, for those of you who are upset that we complain a lot, this is just a place for some of us to come to get away from the pressure of our work day and just have fun bashing and enjoying apple on a forum. It's just a forum, and it's just a phone.
 
You are comparing a Ferrari (Apple) with a Ford (Samsung). You don't expect anything great or innovative from Ford but you do and you get from Ferrari. Apple is downgrading themselves to the Ford level. Happy camping in the line to get an iPhone 5 SAME.

Oh look another angry kid

Please look at the "upgrade" from S3-->S4, and tell me who's the one lacking innovation.
 
Actually your carrier does make a difference because I wanted to see if you were with AT&T, and could then potentially suggest the Active if your issue was the capacitive buttons.

What I'm gathering is that your palm is not hitting the capacitive buttons but rather the screen itself. Don't really know what to say on that front. I don't have this issue and I have average sized hands. I grasp my phone just fine as I did my iPhone 5. Perhaps you need to stop holding your phone so tightly.

I hold it the same way I hold my iPhone.

And yes, its the actual display I touch.

Here's a photo of how I hold the phone and when I reach across the display - my palm ends up slightly touching the screen and causes whatever I'm pressing with my thumb, not to register.
 

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I totally agree with you. This (S) update was pretty predictable and was a pretty solid jump in my opinion.

I saw the news reporting that Apple stock was dropping 5% today and it reminds me of this thread. IT ALWAYS drops after a product release but then goes back up.

Anyone who follows Apple products and the stock knows both of these things happen.

How was it a solid jump? I feel bad for folks going from the 5 to 5s what a joke this upgrade is. I don't even want to get started on the gold plated bling? I guess it is par for the course for apple nowadays

Rofl
 
...I was merely asking that question about the people who have switched, yet still flood these forums with Apple hate.

My apologies, I should've made sure to differentiate.
Understood :)

I'll confess I am in the "I'd love a larger screen choice" camp, as you are too judging from an earlier post. I really think Apple's innovation is just fine. I don't think features are lacking in the current iPhone. But I also think "average" smartphone users are wowed by displays in stores showcasing those bigger screens on other platforms, and many are choosing them.

An iPhone in 4", 4.5" and 5" flavors would in my opinion turn that around. Crazy or not, I think average buyers attach a great deal of importance to something as basic as screen size, for a variety of reasons. Let's face it, the screen is your window into your device - it's hard to use a smartphone without one.

A common response I see here a lot is "Why do you care what others choose?" - Well, I believe the more people are attracted to iOS, the more attractive the platform is for developers, who bring their own investments and "innovations" with their apps. I think a growing and thriving user base is a win for everyone already on the platform. I'm sure the Blackberry holdouts wish more attention was given to their platform these days, but that's not where the majority of users are any more. And developers follow the money, just like everyone else.

I hope that makes sense. I think we have the same sentiments, just maybe slightly different perspectives. ;)
 
How was it a solid jump? I feel bad for folks going from the 5 to 5s what a joke this upgrade is. I don't even want to get started on the gold plated bling? I guess it is par for the course for apple nowadays

Rofl

No really, as an iPhone 5 owner moving to the 5S, I'd love for you to tell me how I'm supposed to think and feel.

Go ahead, I'll be here.
 
It's a great update for 4s and below users. I think iPhone 5 owners were looking for something much better.

Well yes, but given that a large number of people buy phones like the iphone on contract and that contracts typically last 18 months to 2 years, I suspect they were intentionally targeting '4s and below' users.

If that's how the vast majority of their sales end up happening, and I suspect it is, then it makes a certain amount of sense for them to stick with this pattern.

I'm a 4s user, and I think the 5s looks like a good upgrade for me. I think people who have the 'or below' might be just as happy with the 5c as that will be a good jump for them.

How was it a solid jump? I feel bad for folks going from the 5 to 5s what a joke this upgrade is.

What part of it, precisely, do you find to be a joke? The only 'joke' I can see is people who should surely have been able to have seen that Apple are following the same tick-tock upgrade cycle as a lot of other hardware manufacturers these days seemed to expect something different out of the blue.

I don't even want to get started on the gold plated bling? I guess it is par for the course for apple nowadays

Yes. Nowadays. The gold-plated bling would never have happened in Steve's day right? Nor would this "tick-tock" thing... I mean 3g to 3gs to 4 to 4s... totally different to 4s to 5 to 5s!

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Understood :)

I'll confess I am in the "I'd love a larger screen choice" camp, as you are too judging from an earlier post. I really think Apple's innovation is just fine. I don't think features are lacking in the current iPhone. But I also think "average" smartphone users are wowed by displays in stores showcasing those bigger screens on other platforms, and many are choosing them.

An iPhone in 4", 4.5" and 5" flavors would in my opinion turn that around. Crazy or not, I think average buyers attach a great deal of importance to something as basic as screen size, for a variety of reasons. Let's face it, the screen is your window into your device - it's hard to use a smartphone without one.

A common response I see here a lot is "Why do you care what others choose?" - Well, I believe the more people are attracted to iOS, the more attractive the platform is for developers, who bring their own investments and "innovations" with their apps. I think a growing and thriving user base is a win for everyone already on the platform. I'm sure the Blackberry holdouts wish more attention was given to their platform these days, but that's not where the majority of users are any more. And developers follow the money, just like everyone else.

I hope that makes sense. I think we have the same sentiments, just maybe slightly different perspectives. ;)

Agreed :)

I am all for the options. And I would buy a larger iPhone provided the accidental touch thing is thought about and taken care of.

But really, the 4" is nice. I bet they could get a a little larger display in the same form factor though. Perhaps 4.3"?
 
This is the first time I'm disappointed at an Apple product. When all the other iPhones came out I wanted them extremely bad, but for iPhone 5S there was nothing that impressed me or wanted me to get it now. the 64-Bit chip is a "forward thinking" thing, so that means that they just released it so that the competitors can't say "we did it first", but it won't be fully used until iPhone 6.

Touch ID is just another toy that I would not use because I don't use a passcode on my phone. I wanted something like NFC, I have a Samsung NX300 camera that can transfer images over NFC and I haven't been able to do that, its annoying.

No, I'm not changing to Samsung or Android…I love my iPhone 5, I just don't love the new iPhone 5S and I'm going to wait for the iPhone 6.
 
Agreed :)

I am all for the options. And I would buy a larger iPhone provided the accidental touch thing is thought about and taken care of.

But really, the 4" is nice. I bet they could get a a little larger display in the same form factor though. Perhaps 4.3"?
Accidental touch is taken care of by Apple already and implemented on iPad mini.
 
Also, Apple try to portray themselves as a company who innovates. So it's not really that far off that people expect innovative ideas from their star product line.

The "S" series is generally for mid-cycle updates, a "spec bump", so to speak. It's not where revolutionary changes to the design are introduced. People expecting a larger screen or any other significant form-factor change were delusional.
 
Great post. I dumped my GS3 not to long ago and went back to my iPhone 4. So I am ready for the 5s.

The 5s is a really outstanding model coming from the 4 or even 4s.

5 owners can piss off for all I care. As they have already upgraded to that model. I did not like the 5 as it was way to close to the 4s.

Anyone else in doubt wait for the bigger screen 6 model.
 
I'm disappointed not with 5S, everything is ok within, but what the ****** they discontinued iPhone 5 and introduced "new" iPhone 5C with higher price and plastic. Big minus for Apple from me.
 
Looks like Wall Street believes Apple has put profits before market share:


Apple's shares tank as new iPhones fail to dazzle
12:52pm EDT
By Eileen Soreng and Neha Alawadhi

(Reuters) - Apple Inc's shares slid 6 percent on Wednesday as a pricier-than-expected iPhone "5C" extinguished hopes of a major expansion into lower-end markets such as China, while a fingerprint scanner-equipped premium version fell short on hardware advancements.

The 5C and costlier 5S, introduced to much fanfare on Tuesday, won fans among some Wall Street analysts, who said preserving a premium price can safeguard Apple's already declining margins.

Others said the world's most valuable technology company, under siege in Asia and other emerging markets from Samsung Electronics and China's Huawei, was missing an opportunity to reverse slipping market share and drive significant sales growth.

The 5C's price appeared too lofty to fend off rivals in emerging markets. It will sell for 4,488 yuan ($730) in China, more than the average monthly urban income for the country and about $200 more than its price in the United States.

Apple's shares slid 5.6 percent to a one-month low of $467.24 at midday after at least three brokerages downgraded the stock a notch, though four others raised their target prices. Nomura Equity Research increased its target to $480 from $420.

If the drop in Apple's share price holds, the fall would be biggest single-day slide since Jan 24.

Still, Apple's shares climbed 28 percent between the start of July and Monday, before the Apple launch, as anticipation began building about the company's next iPhone.

The iPhone 5S also disappointed investors accustomed to great things from a product that accounts for half or more of Apple's profit.

"Investors were put off that Apple's price point didn't go low enough to attract a new market. It doesn't have the same range in price that Apple's competitors have," said Mark Luschini, chief investment strategist at Janney Montgomery Scott in Philadelphia, which manages about $58 billion in assets.

"Also, there was nothing transformational announced. It has the fingerprint scan and new colors, but bigger features, like different screen sizes, don't seem to be at the ready. This was less than expected from a company that has a reputation for surprising with a killer product or strategy."

Credit Suisse analyst Kulbinder Garcha estimated that Apple's share of the smartphone market would fall to 15.5 percent this year and 13.1 next year, from 18.1 percent in 2012.

"Rather than offer attractive pricing for consumers, and move the iPhone 5C into a new and growing price segment, Apple retained a premium pricing strategy in targeting the $400-800 smartphone segment," Garcha said in a note.

"This segment is not forecast to see meaningful growth long term. This decision, at the margin, is good for profitability but not growth," Garcha said.

Apple's profit for the quarter ended June 29 fell 22 percent as gross margins fell below 37 percent from more than 42 percent in the year-earlier quarter.

Nomura analyst Stuart Jeffrey said Apple may have ensured stable margins for the next couple of quarters by pricing the 5C at $99 with a contract and $549 without. This was not enough for BofA Merrill Lynch, Credit Suisse or UBS, all of which downgraded Apple's stock to "neutral."

Saying the 5C was "nobody's low-margin phone," Cowen and Co analyst Timothy Arcuri said Apple's new relationship with Japan's NTT DoCoMo Inc plus an expected tie-up with China Mobile Ltd supported the view that Wall Street's estimates for Apple earnings in 2014 looked too low.

Arcuri said gross margins for the 5C appeared to be as high as in the mid-50 percent area.

Raymond James and Associates maintained its "strong buy" recommendation on the stock and raised its share price target to $675 from $600, based on expected demand for the lower-end iPhone, coupled with the NTT DoCoMo relationship and the preservation of gross margins.

Canaccord Genuity kept its "buy" rating on the stock and raised its target price to $550 from $530, citing Apple's aggressive launch plans in more than 100 countries by year-end.

The brokerage also raised its 2014 estimate for iPhone sales to 180 million units from 177 million.

Analysts at UBS Securities said that even if Apple secures a partnership deal with China Mobile in the near term, it will have a hard time competing against Google Inc Android devices made by Samsung and others, priced 40 percent to 50 percent lower than the iPhone 5C.

UBS, which cut its rating on Apple's stock to "neutral" from "buy," cited a survey of 35,000 Chinese consumers conducted by ChinaDaily.com that indicated only 2.6 percent of respondents would consider buying the cheaper iPhone at the $549 price.

"We worry that Apple's inability/unwillingness to come out with a low-priced offering for emerging markets nearly ensures that the company will continue to be an overall share loser in the smartphone market until it chooses to address the low end," Sanford C. Bernstein analysts said in a note.

(Reporting by Ryan Vlastelica in New York, Eileen Anupa Soreng, Neha Alawadhi and Saqib Ahmed in Bangalore; Editing by Ted Kerr and Steve Orlofsky)
 
The iPhone 5S brings three new features:

  1. 64-bit A7 processor
  2. Multi-color flash
  3. Real biometric security

All three of these points are a first in the cellphone industry. How is this not innovative? Sure we'd all like to see more memory and a larger screen as an option or as a permanent feature, but those would certainly not be innovative features.

I just came in here to quote this....It was the first thing I thought during the keynote. The three new features in the new 5S looks plenty innovative to me. For crying out loud these items are in no other phone to date. Its a good thing I don't take this place seriously otherwise I'd be stuck using an old blackberry.
 
I know this is common place - I hope all those who are crying about being disappointed realize they are part of a group who complains each year about the iPhone release - and in doing so, look like a fool.

Let me explain a little something about the iPhone and Apple.

Apple, is first and foremost, an expert in REFINEMENT, not INNOVATION. The main goal each year for Apple is to release a smartphone with features that WORK as close to 100% of the time as is possible in tech, and are USEFUL.

There is a great distinction to be made here. USEFUL over GIMMICK.

Now the word GIMMICK gets thrown around a lot when talking about Samsung or the fingerprint sensor, and really I think it's overused. BUT, when describing features that are cool and "futuristic" but aren't very reliable or terribly useful, I think the word GIMMICK makes sense.

Apple is not in the business of releasing GIMMICKS. Now, many who are upset, are upset because they want a bigger screen. And instead of rationally voicing this desire, they kick and whine about how Apple is doomed.

A few things about the larger screen.

(1) It's nice. I like it as a whole on my GS4.
(2) It's not all roses and unicorns - a larger screen SHOULD have software to adjust for accidental palm touches. The GS4 doesn't (nor does the HTC One) and in both instances, using the phone one-handed is a pain. Mind you, I can fit my hand around the phone just fine.....but when reaching across, my palm ALWAYS touches the edge and negates any taps my finger makes.
(3) Apple WILL release a larger screened iPhone. See #2 as a possible reason why they haven't yet.

If you look at what Apple presented in the 5S - improved camera, 64-bit processor, fingerprint sensor - they gave iPhone owners 2 things that are EXTREMELY USEFUL. The camera features mentioned look to make taking photos on the iPhone easier than ever and all the software and hardware that went into it will produce better pictures across the board. This being a main use of a smartphone for ME (and I assume, for many), I'm extremely excited to be able to take BETTER pictures in pretty much ANY situation. And I know people mock the fingerprint sensor as a GIMMICK - but (1) it works flawlessly from initial hands-ons and (2) I unlock my iPhone and enter my appleID password dozens of times a day. Being able to simply tap the home button instead of typing AND having the simple tap be more secure than the password (remember, your fingerprint will be stored on the A7 itself and NEVER backed up and NEVER synced to Apple's servers), I find this HUGELY convenient and USEFUL.

As for the 64-bit processor - it's hilarious that many of you who are berating Apple for "more of the same", consistently praise other Android OEMs for forward thinking features like Smart Stay.

The 64-bit processor is coming to mobile. It would've been whether Apple released it or not, and with this release they are actually AHEAD of the game....

Yet, people ask "What's the point?", and say "the iPhone was already fast enough."

The implications of moving smartphones to a 64-bit architecture are actually quite substantial. MORE graphics intensive games, more power applications. And Apple happens to do this FIRST, yet gets even MORE hate for it.

Anyways - hopefully this was somewhat informative. The 5S is actually a great upgrade in my opinion. I look forward to picking mine up on the 20th.

AMEN well said lol:D
 
This thread really contradicting itself. You're just trying to justify your purchase or future purchase. Why create a thread to point out the whiners when you are the whiner yourself? Just purchase what you like and don't worry about what other people think. If you can justify your purchase then what's the deal?
 
People who think apple are still 'innovating' are funny to me.

The original iPhone was something else. A game changer. The competition HAD to play catch up because it was amazing. Then they iPhone 4 did it again. Retina display. Amazing. Again. Competition playing catch up.

The 4s/5/5s/5c are more of the same. They're not innovative. Incremental upgrades. Money makers. Nothing more.

I wish I had £1 for every time I'd seen an apple fan trash samsungs plastic phones. Apple do it and its great. A fantastic move. But Samsung were wrong for it. And anyone who disagreed was dismissed as not being able to afford apple prices.

I don't understand the blind following a lot of apple fans have. Apple could release a blue sky and they'd kill themselves telling everyone how great it was and how it's a massive improvement on the old blue sky. Because its now called the iSky. And people would buy it. It has 'apple' on it so surely it superior.

I'm not disappointed. My first iPhone was a 3. I had it a few months they got a 4. Was so excited for the first release after that. Thinking surely apple would blow me away yet again. The 4s disappointed me. I expected more. Then I realised apple mostly did incremental upgrades and saved the innovation for every 4/5 years.

So the 5s is exactly what I expected. A slight upgrade to the 5. How can you be disappointed with something being exactly as you expect?

The reason apple get away with it is iOS. It works. And more importantly the hardware is build for 100% compatibility with the software. So specs don't tell the full story. Android will never benefit from that because any phone producer can use it.

Once the jailbreak is out I'll happily upgrade if I can. And be as happy with this 5s as I have been with all my iPhones.
 
Looks like Wall Street believes Apple has put profits before market share:


Apple's shares tank as new iPhones fail to dazzle
12:52pm EDT
By Eileen Soreng and Neha Alawadhi

(Reuters) - Apple Inc's shares slid 6 percent on Wednesday as a pricier-than-expected iPhone "5C" extinguished hopes of a major expansion into lower-end markets such as China, while a fingerprint scanner-equipped premium version fell short on hardware advancements.

The 5C and costlier 5S, introduced to much fanfare on Tuesday, won fans among some Wall Street analysts, who said preserving a premium price can safeguard Apple's already declining margins.

Others said the world's most valuable technology company, under siege in Asia and other emerging markets from Samsung Electronics and China's Huawei, was missing an opportunity to reverse slipping market share and drive significant sales growth.

The 5C's price appeared too lofty to fend off rivals in emerging markets. It will sell for 4,488 yuan ($730) in China, more than the average monthly urban income for the country and about $200 more than its price in the United States.

Apple's shares slid 5.6 percent to a one-month low of $467.24 at midday after at least three brokerages downgraded the stock a notch, though four others raised their target prices. Nomura Equity Research increased its target to $480 from $420.

If the drop in Apple's share price holds, the fall would be biggest single-day slide since Jan 24.

Still, Apple's shares climbed 28 percent between the start of July and Monday, before the Apple launch, as anticipation began building about the company's next iPhone.

The iPhone 5S also disappointed investors accustomed to great things from a product that accounts for half or more of Apple's profit.

"Investors were put off that Apple's price point didn't go low enough to attract a new market. It doesn't have the same range in price that Apple's competitors have," said Mark Luschini, chief investment strategist at Janney Montgomery Scott in Philadelphia, which manages about $58 billion in assets.

"Also, there was nothing transformational announced. It has the fingerprint scan and new colors, but bigger features, like different screen sizes, don't seem to be at the ready. This was less than expected from a company that has a reputation for surprising with a killer product or strategy."

Credit Suisse analyst Kulbinder Garcha estimated that Apple's share of the smartphone market would fall to 15.5 percent this year and 13.1 next year, from 18.1 percent in 2012.

"Rather than offer attractive pricing for consumers, and move the iPhone 5C into a new and growing price segment, Apple retained a premium pricing strategy in targeting the $400-800 smartphone segment," Garcha said in a note.

"This segment is not forecast to see meaningful growth long term. This decision, at the margin, is good for profitability but not growth," Garcha said.

Apple's profit for the quarter ended June 29 fell 22 percent as gross margins fell below 37 percent from more than 42 percent in the year-earlier quarter.

Nomura analyst Stuart Jeffrey said Apple may have ensured stable margins for the next couple of quarters by pricing the 5C at $99 with a contract and $549 without. This was not enough for BofA Merrill Lynch, Credit Suisse or UBS, all of which downgraded Apple's stock to "neutral."

Saying the 5C was "nobody's low-margin phone," Cowen and Co analyst Timothy Arcuri said Apple's new relationship with Japan's NTT DoCoMo Inc plus an expected tie-up with China Mobile Ltd supported the view that Wall Street's estimates for Apple earnings in 2014 looked too low.

Arcuri said gross margins for the 5C appeared to be as high as in the mid-50 percent area.

Raymond James and Associates maintained its "strong buy" recommendation on the stock and raised its share price target to $675 from $600, based on expected demand for the lower-end iPhone, coupled with the NTT DoCoMo relationship and the preservation of gross margins.

Canaccord Genuity kept its "buy" rating on the stock and raised its target price to $550 from $530, citing Apple's aggressive launch plans in more than 100 countries by year-end.

The brokerage also raised its 2014 estimate for iPhone sales to 180 million units from 177 million.

Analysts at UBS Securities said that even if Apple secures a partnership deal with China Mobile in the near term, it will have a hard time competing against Google Inc Android devices made by Samsung and others, priced 40 percent to 50 percent lower than the iPhone 5C.

UBS, which cut its rating on Apple's stock to "neutral" from "buy," cited a survey of 35,000 Chinese consumers conducted by ChinaDaily.com that indicated only 2.6 percent of respondents would consider buying the cheaper iPhone at the $549 price.

"We worry that Apple's inability/unwillingness to come out with a low-priced offering for emerging markets nearly ensures that the company will continue to be an overall share loser in the smartphone market until it chooses to address the low end," Sanford C. Bernstein analysts said in a note.

(Reporting by Ryan Vlastelica in New York, Eileen Anupa Soreng, Neha Alawadhi and Saqib Ahmed in Bangalore; Editing by Ted Kerr and Steve Orlofsky)


In other words Apple should have not used quality (pricy) plastic material and top notch reinforcement technics, but to keep price down make the 5C with low grade stuff (cheap) plastic material so that the phone can compete with myrids of other cheap plastic flexy creeky stuff out there so that the phone can come in at around $59.95 on contract and $1-200 off contract. Ahhh ok I get it. Even i know that Apple is not that kinda of company...At least not right now.
 
Biggest problem is that people tend to look at the cosmetic and don't think about the improvements of the guts. Probably goes like this "if it looks the same, then it must be the same regardless if it has this 64-bit mumbo jumbo..."
 
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