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iFixit: Apple 'Locking' iPhone Batteries to Discourage Third-Party Replacements [Updated]
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They did a swap battery from one iPhone to other iPhone and it still display services message. Did you even read the post?
By the way, battery is manufactured in China by various manufacturers. If you know anything about supply chain, you will know you can easily get original Apple battery from the manufacture.
Also, since the battery is manufacturers by other manufacturers, you can easily get same quality battery from SAME manufacture that has no Apple logo. It can be same, just without Apple logo.
Once I went to China, you can get original battery for under $20USD.
So I feel like I'm not understanding your concern. Have you seen full battery health information anywhere other than on iOS devices?
On my MacBook Pro (2015) I can see % remaining, but not battery health.
Thats the same as my Nintendo Switch, and nearly every other lithium ion device I've seen.
With this message on the iPhone all it says is that it can't estimate the overall health of the battery, not that it can't give you a charge %.
Individuals too. I change my own battery on my car, the manufacturer or dealership does not force me visit them.
There seems to be some confusion regarding that point. From the CNET version of the article:
iFixit's tests revealed that even a brand new genuine Apple battery caused the message to appear.
It appears this isn't about who made the battery, it's about who installs it.
I'd stop actively trafficking in apologia for consumer-hostile behavior, but hey, you do you.
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Which, in keeping with tradition, will never happen.
Tesla is one car manufacturer compared to many. The ratio of Tesla owners and vehicles compared to others is no comparison. The question one must ask is if Tesla will provide an owner to purchase genuine Tesla batteries if requested.
FYI Tesla makes some of the most power efficient batteries in its sector.
I think this is for the better. You don't want to take chances with the battery, and now it is possible to tell if someone has been tampering.
What are you even talking about? Big deal - so you can't use a tool explicitly calibrated for THEIR batteries. Why would you even want to since you can't count on accuracy? It doesn't stop the phone from working, and the battery health tool is VERY seldom used at all, so what EXACTLY is causing all the histrionics?
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Did you make sure the person you sold the phone to knew you used off-brand parts and services?
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That's the reality of living in a rural area. If you want things to resemble the way they are in cities, you have to move closer to one. There simply aren't enough people in your area for it to make sense for them to invest in the off chance a dozen people in a county will need their services some day.
It's 100% accurate. You, me, or almost anyone on this forum can replace their battery if they have a BMW.
Go to almost any autoparts store to get the correct AGM battery for your car. Purchase Foxwell NT510 or NT520 OBD2 scanner (can even be purchased at Walmart). Other tools accomplish the same task. I just prefer the Foxwell because it does a lot more than battery registration. Install battery. Use scanner to register your battery. Same tool works for BMW and Mini. I know because I've replaced batteries on my brother's 2010 335i and his wife's god awful crappy 2014 Mini Cooper.
Batteries are wear items that are meant to be replaced. They don't require OEM or authorized parts. They don't require a BMW or authorized service tech. Literally one of the easiest DIY automotive projects you or anyone can do. Completely true.
I absolutely read the article, and it NEVER says they swapped the battery from one iPhone to another; rather, it just says they put a supposed genuine battery in there, and the error came up:
ifixit said:
But considering how many people, yourself included, think genuine batteries are sold all over the place on aliexpress, fleabay, and elsewhere, it sounds like ifixit might also not know the definition of what a genuine battery is. ifixit does NOT sell genuine parts, as much as people like to believe they do. A
How can you say you went to China and could determine if a battery was even genuine at all? Why, because it had an Apple logo on it? Lol.
Anyway, all y'all can go waste $30-$40 on a junk, questionably sourced battery that is 99.99% not authentic, have a bunch of problems and rage on the internet about it, while I'll spend the extra $30 to just get it done right at Apple, know what I have is genuine, know that it works, and know that my warranty and support are intact. What a bizarre place to waste energy. Apple doesn't play well with third party junk parts, and this isn't news - you all know this by now, so you get what you pay for. As for right to repair, yeah, go ahead and repair it with whatever parts you want that Apple has no control over, but don't hold them to honoring warranty on a device fixed with parts they know nothing about and didn't spec. This is such a tired whinefest every time people want to cheap out.
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What happens when Apple decides they no longer want to service your iPhone because of its age? Apple charges $50 to change the battery, and it takes them forever, and you have to schedule an appointment. You can change it yourself for less than $10 in the comfort of your own home, in less than 15 minutes.
So then change it yourself for less money and quit whining about the features and quality you don't get by not spending more.
Pay more, get more.
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And this is really what it is. ifixit should've just found another gig 10 years ago when products pretty much stopped being user repairable. What is even the point of continually giving 1/10 or 2/10 repairability scores? Everyone already knows they aren't repairable.
This seems very similar to a case from the 1970s where the Supreme Court held that Kodak was violating the antitrust laws by taking actions to prevent third party repair techs from repairing their products:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastman_Kodak_Co._v._Image_Technical_Services,_Inc.
The case has been highly criticized, but it is still good law in the United States. I'm sure Apple doesn't care though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastman_Kodak_Co._v._Image_Technical_Services,_Inc.
The case has been highly criticized, but it is still good law in the United States. I'm sure Apple doesn't care though.
Back before Apple started doing the $29 replacement I ordered a battery from ifixit for my 6S+. Back then Apple was already doing this as my phone was saying the battery needed service in the battery app and that phone is on iOS 11 to this day.
It's not a third-party battery. It happens with identical batteries taken from other brand new iPhones. This isn't about sourcing parts, it is about who is allowed to repair iPhones. Apple wants that to be done in house (for economic, not safety, reasons).
"(...) our lab tests confirmed that even when you swap in a genuine Apple battery, the phone will still display the "Service" message."
There you go. So it works like Touch ID - serial numbers of battery and iPhone are paired and even if you put in brand new, original battery without Apple blessing it (probably plugging it into their special tool to overwrite pairing) it will still say that battery needs servicing. Despite that, battery will work just fine.
If you are aware of it, it's no problem. However it's a HUGE issue for repair shops. Imagine you replace battery and the first thing your customer asks you is: why does it say the battery still needs servicing? Will you be able to explain it believably? It's an attack on repair shops to undermine their reputation.
Can we stop with this nonsense propaganda? I swear these forums are worse than Pravda sometimes.
Your car is an even more expensive precision item. Lots of people put third party wearables on them, (I wonder if you've ever fitted non premium tyres or used cheaper oil).
Your car is a potential missile that could threaten the life of yourself and others. If it's Ok for a car, I feel Ok taking my chances with a phone.
This could be a potential risk to consumers with batteries replaced other than Apple as they are not going to know if they need to change the battery and just keep on using it to the point of it swelling and then catching fire all because Apple refuses to let them know if they battery they have is healthy unless they pay Apple totally irresistible of Apple they have zero disc regard for their customers well being all about £ these days to $pple
…which is exactly why third-party repair shops—which are unable to obtain genuine parts from Apple—have stepped in to fill the void that Apple leaves.
More broadly, are you seriously trying to pull a “you’re holding it wrong” on where people live? Setting aside the myriad reasons why someone may not wish to live in a larger city, should anywhere located more than an hour or so away from the nearest metropolitan area, then, just become an empty void? Because Apple arbitrarily makes it financially infeasible to become an AASP in many cases outside of densely populated areas? Why else?
To become an AASP, for example, you are reportedly required to pay exorbitant sums for parts to have in stock that Apple chooses, not you, along with numerous other requirements. There's no functional reason for why someone would suddenly need to stock millions of dollars' worth of parts right away, but Apple requires it, likely as an arbitrary barrier to entry to businesses that would otherwise be perfectly viable.
And for reference, I'm not in some extremely remote, desolate land. I live in south-central Missouri; my county has about 40,000 residents, more than enough for a couple of repair shops to operate successfully. My city is the largest in Missouri for about a 70-mile radius; if an AASP would be viable anywhere remotely nearby, it’d be here. But it’s not. Getting Apple-authorized service is a day trip, and no, that's not my fault for living here. Don't blame me for it.
Yes! Of course they do. For what other product sector would this not be allowed?
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You mean the ones they don't sell? You can't buy a genuine OEM replacement battery from Apple. You have to get it serviced by an Apple Store or authorized repair tech.
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Did you read the article? It says they reset the error message when they service the batteries in house. So yes, apparently they do do some "special magic" after installing a battery in house.
It already happened once with the home button. It happens with Macs where everything is glued/soldered now and you can’t easily replace some parts due to security chip. To those who were not asleep for the last decade the trend is obvious, that’s why people are worried. There’s no reason to not give user info on his battery if it was replaced by someone else.
Pretty sure that if Apple starts selling parts direct to consumers and publishes repair manuals (like right to repair and iFixit are asking for) that puts iFixit out of business, or at least introduces heavy competition. AFAIK things right now are pretty nice for iFixit, they get to profit on teaching people how to repair things that aren't obviously repairable. Seems to me like they're pushing back mostly for the good of the environment and consumers.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the way it looks to me. I don't see how passing right to repair and making Apple do what iFixit currently does (providing parts and manuals) helps iFixit.
Besides, what good ever came from sitting quietly and accepting "good enough"? I'm generally happy to see people complain about things that could be better. How do you think we got automotive right to repair? Do you always take your car to the dealer to get it repaired (if you can afford to then good for you, you make more money than I do)? Why do you think your local shop is able to source OEM parts? What about amendments to the Constitution?
As an aside, paying more might get you genuine Apple parts, but it also gets you super long wait times and less experienced techs (in my experience). I'm lucky enough to live near an Apple store, but I'd still trust the small shop downtown to fix my phone any day. The owner has an engineering degree and has been repairing electronics for 30+ years, they usually do things like a battery swap in an hour, and they know how to do things an AASP isn't allowed to do in house. When I got my phone wet and bricked it, Apple said recovering the photos was impossible, local shop got it done in a day. Sometimes, things that are more expensive are worse.