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A refurb is a fixed device... It's an old device made new again.
But fundamentally the refurb device is NOT the same device as the broken one user used to hold anymore.
You may Argue “the user should regularly backup their devices”, but for some, they have no way to regularly backup devices if they are, for example, away for a jungle ride, or stay overseas with limited internet.
Bottom line is, not everyone wants their devices to be ”repaired” by replacing it with a new one, depending on the circumstances.
 
Also notice the name of the company and you tell me which manufacturer their most likely to be based towards 🤔 hint "i"
The company was started because the founder couldn't find a repair book for his iBook. So yeah the name is based on Apple due to that.

But they are FAR from friends. Apple removed iFixIt from the App Store and suspended their developer agreement at one time even.
 
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The company was started because the founder couldn't find a repair book for his iBook. So yeah the name is based on Apple due to that.

But they are FAR from friends. Apple removed iFixIt from the App Store and suspended their developer agreement at one time even.
Is that the current status though? Beginnings are delicate times, yet in business things change and ifixit has been FAR too apologetic & in favor of Apple over the last decade.

Hasn't Apple's consumer repair kit for iPhone, in part from the feedback from them or heavily influenced, if not a partnership??

I'm grateful for the historical beginnings.
Cheers.
 
But fundamentally the refurb device is NOT the same device as the broken one user used to hold anymore.
You may Argue “the user should regularly backup their devices”, but for some, they have no way to regularly backup devices if they are, for example, away for a jungle ride, or stay overseas with limited internet.
Bottom line is, not everyone wants their devices to be ”repaired” by replacing it with a new one, depending on the circumstances.
200 million iPhones sold in a year, and you want them made less robust and more expensive to build and repair because a handful of people can't back them up on jungle rides?

If your goal is to reduce ewaste, then refurb phones meet that goal. If you now want to move the goalposts and say you want guaranteed data retention or something, then it's another example of what I said earlier: people namecheck ewaste because it sounds like moral high ground but they're really interested in something else.

I'll say it again, everything involves tradeoffs. In a product this highly evolved, everything you do is at the expense of something else. You seem to be interested in a finer grained level of repairability than is currently possible to satisfy some narrow hypothetical case. I'm not interested in my product getting bigger, less robust, or more expensive on the off chance it helps some careless jungle rider or outback tourist.

I do, however, trade in or return for recycling every Apple product I no longer use. My computers, phones and watches tend to last me 5 to 8 years regularly, generally without need for repair. For whatever reason Apple seems to tempt me with new iPads more often than I'd expect, but the previous generations also go back to Apple.
 
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Luckily that isn't going to work, at least in the EU. It's already been enshrined in law, I believe, which will kick in soon.
In the US, they will tout all their environmental accomplishments and lawmakers will look the other way. Call me cynical, but I think a lot of Apple's "100% carbon neutral" bulls$%t is just (1) marketing and (2) a way to placate politicians. There is no way to be a conservationist when you make sealed, non-repairable devices that can last for decades. Devices you encourage consumers to buy every couple of years.
 
200 million iPhones sold in a year, and you want them made less robust and more expensive to build and repair because a handful of people can't back them up on jungle rides?

If your goal is to reduce ewaste, then refurb phones meet that goal. If you now want to move the goalposts and say you want guaranteed data retention or something, then it's another example of what I said earlier: people namecheck ewaste because it sounds like moral high ground but they're really interested in something else.

I'll say it again, everything involves tradeoffs. In a product this highly evolved, everything you do is at the expense of something else. You seem to be interested in a finer grained level of repairability than is currently possible to satisfy some narrow hypothetical case. I'm not interested in my product getting bigger, less robust, or more expensive on the off chance it helps some careless jungle rider or outback tourist.

I do, however, trade in or return for recycling every Apple product I no longer use. My computers, phones and watches tend to last me 5 to 8 years regularly, generally without need for repair. For whatever reason Apple seems to tempt me with new iPads more often than I'd expect, but the previous generations also go back to Apple.
Thanks for making your stance abundantly clear. Let’s agree to disagree.
Hope you have a nice day.
 
In the US, they will tout all their environmental accomplishments and lawmakers will look the other way. Call me cynical, but I think a lot of Apple's "100% carbon neutral" bulls$%t is just (1) marketing and (2) a way to placate politicians. There is no way to be a conservationist when you make sealed, non-repairable devices that can last for decades. Devices you encourage consumers to buy every couple of years.
I agree that Apple are pretend environmentalists, but their devices do not tend to last past a decade! I should know... enough gave crapped out on me before the ten year mark. Ironically, had the devices allowed things like replaceable RAM, I could have made easy repairs!
 
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