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iFixit Explains iPad Mini 'Jelly Scroll' Issue in Teardown Video

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FWIW, I have just tried to reproduce this jelly effect on my iPhone 12 mini scrolling at different speeds in both vertical and horizontal iPhone orientation - no issues at all. 🖐
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I can see it on my 12 mini when horizontal and scrolling up and down. It's absolutely there. 60Hz screens take 16ms to refresh top to bottom. They are always drawing new lines and never refresh everything at once, it's just the nature of displays.

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Canyonero said:
The scary thing to me is that either a) nobody at Apple noticed or cared about this during testing or b) saw it and decided it was ok. Not the Apple I know.
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I'm sure they noticed it... about 50% of the time on all LCD devices that are used in both portrait and landscape orientations. And 100% of the time on all MacBooks when scrolling sideways.
 
Haiku_Oezu said:
lol, guys
I think you all lost the chance to complain about this when you accepted to move from CRT’s to LCD displays
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It's also how CRT's and OLED's refresh. This article is about scan skew. I think you're thinking of image persistence, which effects the clarity of the image while in motion.

But if some people here saw a side by side comparison of motion clarity between a CRT and this iPad, they'd probably bring out their pitchforks for that as well and demand to know why their brand new device has worse motion clarity than decades-old CRTs.
 
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patsfan83 said:
Obvi. But with the writing landscape they are saying “turn it and use it this way!”
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So the way the person is actually holding it -- isn't how we should hold it?

We should instead pay attention to the wallpaper?
The wallpaper saying "MINI" simply fits better the longer way.
I don't think we can infer a preferred usage from that.

Pop into an Apple store and see them all on display in portrait mode...
How they are set up for in person demonstration tells me a lot more than text on a desktop wallpaper.
 
Haiku_Oezu said:
I think you all lost the chance to complain about this when you accepted to move from CRT’s to LCD displays
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You can see exactly the same issue on landscape 60 Hz CRT monitors and television sets when playing a video game that has objects that move sideways rapidly.

Have you noticed how some CRT video game consoles mount the CRT in portrait orientation to avoid this sideways movement issue?
 
When I got my iPad Pro two years ago, there was a lot of noise about bent devices (I think there is a sticky thread on the forum). Once I read about it, I checked my own, and indeed it was bent. Unacceptable. Then the outrage subsided, and since then I never noticed it.
 
ahostmadsen said:
When I got my iPad Pro two years ago, there was a lot of noise about bent devices (I think there is a sticky thread on the forum). Once I read about it, I checked my own, and indeed it was bent. Unacceptable. Then the outrage subsided, and since then I never noticed it.
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Every problem is different.
I don't see the relevance of that comparison.

It's "a problem" of some degree - but all issues with devices are their own thing with their own potential impacts.

I think it's safe to say that, on an iPad, anything screen related can be potentially very problematic depending upon who you ask and what they plan to do with it.

A tablet is made or broken by "the screen" -- that's the whole thing in terms of interaction with the device.
Very very different than aesthetics of the device, etc
 
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840quadra said:
What about a $1299+ device?

Not ideal, not my favorite aspect of my new toy (the MacBook and iPad mini), but not a 1st world problem ( for me at least). It is all an artifact of a sequential refresh as opposed to global LCD refresh.

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Video of my M1 MacBook Pro, and my iPad Pro 11" (2018) showing their jello.
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I honestly can’t see it in your video. Some ghosting yes, but tearing no. I have an 11 pro too, and can’t see it either orientation. If it’s there, it’s so subtle I can’t notice it. On the mini however, it stands out.
 
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I have an iPad mini 6 and I just don't see it. At least not in any way that I could reasonably be upset by it. Maybe it's just because I've never had a promotion display, but honestly it just looks like a typical display. I have an iPhone 12, 9.7 iPad Pro, and M1 MBA.
 
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CubeHacker said:
I honestly can’t see it in your video. Some ghosting yes, but tearing no. I have an 11 pro too, and can’t see it either orientation. If it’s there, it’s so subtle I can’t notice it. On the mini however, it stands out.
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It’s there, you need to step back from the display a bit, but it is totally apparent.

I agree, the mini is more pronounced. Perhaps due to slower screen draw, or some other factor. In either case, It doesn’t really bother me. I only now see it on my pro when swiping side to side in apps while the ipad is in landscape.
 
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It can't be that bad. The only way its being showed is in slow motion so I don't see how it is in reality a problem.
 
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MrPresident said:
Totally agree, if the product isn’t worth the money to you don’t purchase it. Given the issues stated you’d be a fool buy this device.
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I mean, I could just as easily say that someone would be foolish for buying a touchscreen device that only refreshes at 60Hz, because it has visible stuttering and more motion blur than a 120Hz display.

This isn't a defect. It won't get worse over time. It doesn't make it so the device is more likely to break. There's no device lottery where some are better than others, as far as I'm aware. If it's a design decision that you don't like, don't buy it.
 
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There's two things to "love" here: on one side Cook tells the customers to .... off.
On the other side there's a whole bunch of die-hard Apple fans saying that it's not really an issue. In the year 2021, a product from a supposedly grade A company fails at the one specific feature that is the very core of the product - the screen - and they say it's okay. Lord have mercy...
 
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firewood said:
I'm sure they noticed it... about 50% of the time on all LCD devices that are used in both portrait and landscape orientations. And 100% of the time on all MacBooks when scrolling sideways.
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This really does seem like an orientation issue then. You tend to scroll vertically on a MacBook, so won't notice this.

I wanted to upgrade my Mini for this, but will have to go to a store to try it out. I can't really spot this on my old mini (whilst landscape) or on my phone.
 
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