Sounds like they can go ahead and add the mid-2019 to the keypad repair program as well then.
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iFixit Finds 2019 MacBook Pro Keyboard Has 'Subtle' Changes to Membrane Cover and Switches
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It’s frustrating that they won’t just admit the butterfly design was a mistake. It’s ok, companies make mistakes. But stubbornly sticking to it after years of failure and consumer dissatisfaction is stubborn.
Repeat after me:
Thin and light
Thin and light
...
Thin and light
Thin and light
...
Just stop with the experiments. Go back to the PERFECT keyboard and add more ( and DIFFERENT ) ports.
I vaguely remember the 2008 unibody keyboard design going through some teething problems and complaints from the previous silver keyboard.
The second you realize that Apple is a lifestyle and design company masquerading as a computer company, it all starts to make sense.
It’s already on the program list.
https://www.apple.com/support/keyboard-service-program-for-mac-notebooks/
Wake me up when they come out with a keyboard that feels at least as good as their previous one and where a replacement is affordable and can be done years down the road by a third party, none of this topcase-swap-business.
Teething problemo's not
this has been going on since mid 2016.
do you even own a MBP?
My god. Looking back, those non-Retina MBPs were disgusting. Thick and Heavy. Jesus
If I follow your immaculate logic to the same conclusion, then Apple does not have "actual engineers, but merely repair technicians." [After all, we are now on the fourth "refined" edition of the butterfly keyboard.]
Not to worry, there's already a keyboard replacement program set up for the 2019 models. They know it'll have issues.
Why do CPUs and GPUs keep getting redesigned so that they perform better? Why do we need 5G? Was 4G a design flaw?
The question shouldn't be if a teardown website finds changes "subtle" but if the changes address the issues of reliability. For that we'll have to wait for customers to have them for a while. I don't want Apple become a "stick to the old design" kind of company. That's not why I chose this ecosystem. I want them to have a keyboard that retains all the improvements of the new one (more stable, clickier, less wobbly feeling keyboard that allows them to have the sleekest laptops), but update it so it's also more reliable. It appears an effort is being made for that. I'm typing this on one of the butterfly keyboards, by the way... one that I vastly prefer typing on and I luckily haven't had any issues with it.
What they need to do is introduce a "MacBook Pro Classic." Basically the same as the old design but with upgraded internal hardware. They can keep selling their new designs.
This is what the Coca-Cola people did after the new coke formula turned out to be a disaster. Everbody bought Coca-Cola Classic, and eventually the new coke formula was phased out.
This is what the Coca-Cola people did after the new coke formula turned out to be a disaster. Everbody bought Coca-Cola Classic, and eventually the new coke formula was phased out.
That didn't take long at all. I was waiting for this piece of news...
Apple surprised us with a MacBook Pro refresh earlier this week. 2019 models feature faster Intel processors with up to eight cores for the first time, as well as "new materials" added to the keyboard to hopefully reduce issues such as sticky and repeating keys that prompted Apple's worldwide repair program.
Apple didn't elaborate on the new materials, but the repair experts at iFixit have completed a teardown of the 2019 MacBook Pro and discovered a "subtle change" made to the silicone membrane covering the keyboard switches.
Whereas the membrane in the 2018 MacBook Pro is "semi-opaque" and "feels like silicone," iFixit says the cover in the 2019 model is "clearer and smooth to the touch." Based on infrared analysis, it appears the 2018 membrane was made with polyacetylene, while the 2019 covers uses polyamide, aka nylon.
iFixit also found that the metal dome over each key switch is "subtly different" as well. "It could be a new surface treatment, and/or a tweaked alloy, possibly to alleviate problems with durability, bounce-back, or other issues."
2018 MacBook Pro parts on left, 2019 MacBook Pro parts on right in each image
Beyond the keyboard, the 2019 MacBook Pro has few changes, as this was merely a spec bump. The notebook still earns iFixit's lowest repairability score, as the processor, RAM, and flash storage are soldered to the logic board, while the keyboard, battery, speakers, and Touch Bar are glued together.
Article Link: iFixit Finds 2019 MacBook Pro Keyboard Has 'Subtle' Changes to Membrane Cover and Switches
Yes and bring back the optical drive, the 3.5 inch floppy and the SCSI port. Real computers have SCSI.
my 2017 recently developed double space bar input so I guess I will be taking it to Apple to fix it (still under warranty).
Having said that, the last great notebook from apple was the 17" MBP just before retina came out.
This new keyboard design is only adding issues. Its not more comfortable to use (in fact its incredibly noisy and unnatural) and reliability is obviously sub zero
Such a shame
Having said that, the last great notebook from apple was the 17" MBP just before retina came out.
This new keyboard design is only adding issues. Its not more comfortable to use (in fact its incredibly noisy and unnatural) and reliability is obviously sub zero
Such a shame
There aren't any hard numbers on scissor mechanism failures or butterfly mechanism failures. People have tried to make estimates based on samples of repair work at Apple Stores, but there's never been any proof that it's actually less reliable historically. Beyond that, there aren't any numbers on keyboard failures for PC makers. Can anyone provide what the acceptable rate of failure is within the industry? Nobody knows what it is.
i own a late 2017 MBP
-it took a year and a successful class action court situation for apple to come sorta clean
-my personal time effort is expensive to take the thing into being repaired
how many posts here represent people actually owning a 2017+ MBP?
-it took a year and a successful class action court situation for apple to come sorta clean
-my personal time effort is expensive to take the thing into being repaired
how many posts here represent people actually owning a 2017+ MBP?
They already did.
Repeat after me:
small number
small number
small number
small number
small number
It's a shame the MBP Esc gets no love. I need to upgrade and would go with it but without the new keyboard there is no way. May buy a loaded 2015 to make it another year before a redesign and hopeful removal or tweaking of touchbar.
Think of a company owning billions have Tim Hollywood in the helm, and needing minimum 4 iterations to get a keyboard right?
Is this possible?
Is this possible?
I wouldn't say they've insisted there isn't anything wrong with it. Apple has admitted that the keyboard is too loud...they've been adding incremental changes to dampen the noise.