iFixit Removes Galaxy Fold Teardown at Samsung's Request

[dannys1]

Not getting anything confused, I know the difference between the two units. Now let's get to the facts.. No company on the planet is going to release their new "breakthrough" products to a competitor before getting use out of it themselves unless that competitor came up with the idea of folding screens and had Samsung make them which they didn't. No competitor is going to buy brand new tech without knowing it works well. So Samsung will make invent the screen, showcase uses for it (the Fold), and try to get other companies interested.
If Samsung can make this work well it'll be more business for their Samsung Display unit but first they need to show off how it will work.
And of course there are small OLED screen makers but it's been proven over and over Samsung makes the best displays so you can buy from any Joe Blow screen maker but will it be quality and can they produce at the capacity of Samsung, No!
So back to my original comment. Samsung will have to make it work first before this goes to anyone else being they manufacturer the tech.

No you're still wrong - Samsung has not invented the folding screen.

Samsung also make the new FSD unit in all Tesla's are you incinuating Samsung had to invent that too first? No it's totally designed in house by Tesla - they're just the fabricator.

IF they made the screens for Apple (and it's a big if, they might well use LG) they'd just be a fabricator, Apple's designs and specs has nothing to do with what the product arm of Samsung have done.

The screen is nothing new - you've been able to make flexible OLED screen since we first saw them back in in roughly 2013. It's the package that Samsung have designed around it to try and make it work as a feasible device which is new and they're doing it has nothing to do with if Apple decide to do it - for the record it has no bearing on Huawei's folding device either.

I'm sorry, but you're just completely wrong on this one.

 

[Michvuee]

Too l already exposed your weakness in the fold along with every component their using

 

[Logiarius]

And that is exactly why it is innovation. It's a new and unique way of doing something or accomplishing a task.

it's a crappy implementation. But it's still innovative.

it's now up to the industry to learn from this and move forward with better designs. there's an old saying, that still holds true today.

"Standing on the Shoulders of Giants"

Modern tech is a prime example of that. It's taking the innovative work that was done by those who came before, and applying your own innovative slant to make something new and better.

Innovation can fail. Innovation can even be bad. Innovation can be unprofitable. Innovation doesn't care about any of that. innovation only cares that it's something being done in a new or unique way.

we should be happy for their failure here. It's clear there's an obvious design flaw with the fold. Something that Samsung just didn't think about. Now that everyone has seen that, someone will hopefully work on the next innovation that assists making this technology more accessible.

If Apple for example released a new foldable phone that didn't have the massive failures. it would be innovative, but it is still building off the "giants" innovation that came before. (and yes, Apple's own innovations are also often used by those who also come after them)

the timelines of tech innovation is years,decades,centuries old, and eeach innovation today can be traced directly through innovations of yesterday. Even failed products. For example, TouchID was an innovation on fingerprint sensors that came before. They sucked before. But someone had to try it out to find out it sucked before Apple could realize why they sucked and come up with an innovative way of doing it better. The same is probably going to happen now with foldable displays.

It is unique and new. So?

So those this new form factor gives any benefits? If it is unfolded it has 7.3inch screen. That is not much different from my iphone xs max or my sister’s galaxy note. Oh and it has a gigantic crease on the middle.

And if it is folded you get smartphone too thick too ugly too narrow to use.

So it can fold and unfolded. Does it makes your and my life different? Samsung pay (my country does not support apple pay) changed my sister’s life from bringing a big ass wallet to not bringing anything except driving license. My apple watch changed me from lazy **** to someone who worksout daily.

And having a unusable phone and a small tablet at a both time changes.... what exactly?

Here is a better option. Buy a phablet like xs max or note. Almost half a price, perfect screen without crease, no durability issue, just so much better.

 

[LordVic]

It is unique and new. So?

So? that's innovation.

none of the rest of your post is relevant to discussing what is, and what isn't innovation. in fact, I really have no clue what that rant was about

 

[Logiarius]

So? that's innovation.

none of the rest of your post is relevant to discussing what is, and what isn't innovation. in fact, I really have no clue what that rant was about

If something new does not have purpose, or cannot change people’s life we usually don’t call that innovation

That is called gimmick. ****ing useless gimmick that the world doesn’t give a ****.

You call apple’s 3d touch a innovation? That is also something new, right? No it is a useless gimmick because it does not change anything and purpose which was so weak. So it is not innovation and the world does not give a **** about it.

Foldable phone is also in that category

 

[LordVic]

If something new does not have purpose, or cannot change people’s life we usually don’t call that innovation

That is called gimmick. ****ing useless gimmick that the world doesn’t give a ****.

You call apple’s 3d touch a innovation? That is also something new, right? No it is a useless gimmick because it does not change anything and purpose which was so weak. So it is not innovation and the world does not give a **** about it.

Foldable phone is also in that category

One persons gimmick is another persons feature.

you are attempting to apply subjective opinion here as objective fact. the term gimmick is highly interchangable with "feature". The only difference is a personal preference towards using or not using.

you are attempting to say, that unless you find it useful, than it's not innovative.

The term innovative, frankly doesn't care about you. Technology that is new, done in a different form, or not seen before, regardless of how much money it makes, or how useful you find it, is still innovative.

3d touch was absolutely innovative. EVEN if you don't want to use it or find it helpful for you. Heck, I don't care about it, But i won't deny it wasn't innovative just because I don't use it.

 

[Crowbot]

I've always thought that iFixit were one-sided, they constantly berate Apple products and now we know why. They are clearly highly affiliated with a Samsung partner.

No, they just have a serious bias towards repairability.

Apple, and I imagine others, has generally made it more difficult to access even basic replaceable parts. My 27" iMac has no way of opening it for cleaning. They could have put an access panel on the back with 8 or 10 screws but Jony doesn't like screws. They ruin the lines. Look at the Pencil 1 teardown. They had to slice it open.

 

[lJoSquaredl]

"Apple sucks they never innovate anymore, Samsung has their number they're gonna destroy them now"

*Samsung folding phones break*

"I mean I didn't really need it anyways, but least they gave it a shot, where's your balls when it comes to making products that don't work Apple take a risk"

 

[dilbert99]

Don't LG already have a form of roll-up TV? I suspect roll-up would be easier than bendable.

I think so.

Also seen the wallpaper tvs.

I don't understand why some apple fans love to berate samsungs attempt at a foldable screen.
This must be a hard problem to solve but I love the attempt and what it could mean for the future.
Competition makes things improve

 

[ke-iron]

I lmao when I read this article lol

 

[Krizoitz]

Say what you want about Samsung... at least they are innovating....

If you think that’s what innovation is, I’ve got a car to sell you...

Anyone can release garbage, true innovation means knowing when something is ready and when it’s not.
Apple is innovating in areas like chip design, facial recognition, machine learning, etc. Just because it’s not flashy and obvious doesn’t mean it’s not innovation. I’ll take a more powerful, more efficient chip that lets me do more with my phone, or helps make it more secure, over a janky folding display any day. (Heck the thing didn’t even fold flat!)

 

[Zaap]

If you built a time machine and it partially worked it would be considered a breakthrough and you'd be considered a success, no one would say you failed, you'd just need to continue to work on it until it was 100%. Samsung didn't fail they just need to refine their product and make it work right.

Yeah, we all forgot how the Wright Brothers went supersonic in the X-Plane, taking off at Kitty Hawk and crossing the Atlantic in 2 hours. That happened, right?

Oh wait, it didn't. Real life actually isn't skipping to the end-result instantly.

 

[leman]

“Plays favorites”? Please explain.

Sorry if I am overdramatising a bit, but iFixit is often seen as a kind of "hero of the people", a company that promotes DYI repairs and warns users agains potential issues with products. Here we have a ridiculously expensive product that obviously has some glaring design oversights and they take down their analysis of the issues "not to antagonise our partner". Sounds a bit selective, don't you think?
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Say what you want about Samsung... at least they are innovating....

Samsung's innovation is limited only to display tech, since they have some of the best people on the planet in this area. But overall, Samsung's roots are in being a trading company, innovation is not part of their culture, they simply find profitable areas and exploit them. They are not visionaries and the way how their products are made can be at best described as "quick and dirty". Their facial recognition story went scarily close to this: "so we hear that Apple is working on facial recognition on a phone, lets hire some interns and maybe a PhD student and let them bolt together a neural net that does some photo analysis" (I do know some people who are/were involved in software dev for Samsung and that's the kind of stories I hear).

 

[Klyster]

But overall, Innovation is not part of their culture, they simply find profitable areas and exploit them.

That is applicable to so many other companies who people claim are innovative, I can think of one in particular who fits this description more than Samsung.

Samsung definitely venture into areas that are not considered profitable and throw everything at it, fail or win.

Camera phones, bendy screen devices, large screen phones with stylus, VR, phone watches, smartwatches, gesture technology etc..

None of those were considered profitable yet Samsung was there before most, innovating, succeeding and failing.

 

[fullauto]

What a clusterfck! As if you would do this as a company.

 

[NufSaid]

Yeah, we all forgot how the Wright Brothers went supersonic in the X-Plane, taking off at Kitty Hawk and crossing the Atlantic in 2 hours. That happened, right?

Oh wait, it didn't. Real life actually isn't skipping to the end-result instantly.

Glad the Wright brothers didn’t have to deal with the media of today otherwise we’d still be taking ships across the Atlantic.

 

[MrGimper]

I think so.

Also seen the wallpaper tvs.

I don't understand why some apple fans love to berate samsungs attempt at a foldable screen.
This must be a hard problem to solve but I love the attempt and what it could mean for the future.
Competition makes things improve

I don’t think it’s that they attempted it, it’s that they yet again rushed something out to “be first” and it’s fallen on its ass.

 

[timidpimpin]

I'm confused... this has nothing to do with Apple or Macs at all. Please reference the name of your own site.

 

[Dresling]

I'd like to believe they'd do this for Apple as well... but I doubt it.

 

[EDS66]

Are we gonna sit here and pretend that all the Apple lawsuits about the various (insertgate) the iPhone has had over the years we’re not a thing

Again.... At least Samsung is trying

Firstly, this sentence makes no grammatical sense. I am trying to glean the meaning from diction and word order, and it's not easy. I think the poster is trying to say is that Apple is somehow to be equated with Samsung because of Apple's (dissimilar) hardware issues in the past. Secondly, if my interpretation is correct, this is a classic straw man argument. Focus on unrelated problems of party B (Apple) to deflect from a galactic cluster^*%k of party A (Samsung.)

 

[kingtj]

Exactly this!
Pretty much the entire tech industry leaves you wondering if anyone actually tested the stuff they sell -- or if the plan, these days, is to just release a product ASAP and use the general public as the testers for your first major release or revision?

I can't believe ANYONE thought it was even acceptable to release the Samsung Fold with that "protective covering" over the glass that most testers assumed was a removable screen protector or throw-away piece you were supposed to peel off! If the phone really NEEDS that protective layer on top, it should be some kind of hard, permanent substance. Maybe it could be a coating that was sprayed on and dries solid?

But how can Apple continue to defend the garbage keyboards they've been using for the last few years on all the Macbooks and Pros either? They have too little key travel and they're just not holding up to real-world use where people DO use them in dusty or dirty environments and don't always have clean hands.

Or even HP? A co-worker and I attended an event recently where HP demo'd their entire new product line of portables. Within 5 minutes, we made at least 6 suggestions to improve the notebooks and the stand-alone portable "second display for laptops" and blew the mind of the sales guy presenting them. He was madly scribbling down notes, saying he wanted to give all of our ideas to engineering for future revisions. (Come on now! We can't be smarter than all the ideas people paid to design this stuff at HP, can we?) I just think these companies barely try!

I still don't understand how the testing process works in those companies (Samsung, Apple). Just put those devices into pockets of the employees and analyze the results after few months. Every new device is just so secret they can't even test it in real life... and here are the consequences.

 

[kdarling]

I can't believe ANYONE thought it was even acceptable to release the Samsung Fold with that "protective covering" over the glass that most testers assumed was a removable screen protector or throw-away piece you were supposed to peel off! If the phone really NEEDS that protective layer on top, it should be some kind of hard, permanent substance. Maybe it could be a coating that was sprayed on and dries solid?

Only a few reviewers removed the layer.

Other reviewers have said that they never thought it was removable and did not understand why anyone would think so.

My favorite was the reviewer who complained about foreign matter in his hinge, claiming he just used it as normal. Yet he then admitted that, well, okay they did use modeling clay to prop up the phone hinge for a photo shoot. I mean, come on.

The trouble with internet news is that it lives and dies on the number of clicks an article gets. Bad news is always more bankable than good news.

 

[aevan]

You call apple’s 3d touch a innovation? That is also something new, right? No it is a useless gimmick because it does not change anything and purpose which was so weak.

I use 3d touch every day. It’s totally not useless just because you haven’t found a use for it.

Other than that, I agree with you that true innovation should have a purpose.

 

[Johns12]

Glad the Wright brothers didn’t have to deal with the media of today otherwise we’d still be taking ships across the Atlantic.

Yeah, I can see it now on this site, The Wright brothers failed in their first couple attempts at flight. What is this flying thing going to add to my life. I have a horse. I've seen people with this car thing that I might try if I could afford one. Who needs flight. It's a solution searching for a problem.

Look, you would have to be a fool to not see that this was botched by Samsung. No question. But, the advancement of this technology is very interesting and I for one hope these companies continue the move forward. I probably won't be buying one, but there are many, many, cool things out there that I don't own. I certainly won't trash those things because I have no use for them. Smartwatches are a good example. I don't own one and personally don't see the need for one. Many of you guys love them. Does it make you wrong because I don't see the need?

 

[Intellectua1]

Yeah, we all forgot how the Wright Brothers went supersonic in the X-Plane, taking off at Kitty Hawk and crossing the Atlantic in 2 hours. That happened, right?

Oh wait, it didn't. Real life actually isn't skipping to the end-result instantly.

Your comment has nothing to do with what I said, at least make sense before you speak.