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Say what you want about Samsung... at least they are innovating.... what’s Apple doing besides adding a freaking camera lense

It’s no way I’m upgrading from my mid spec XS Max this year

Innovation should be in the labs not in the market.
I'm 100% sure Apple has better prototypes under testing in their labs than these bull..crap Samesung units...

Go ahead and buy these crap as you always did with S5 fingerprint scanner, Sammy facelock, Air gestures, Note 7 etc...
 
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It's unclear why Samsung wanted the teardown removed
Is it really though? No company wants their products splayed open for the world to see, especially products that aren’t even shipping yet. You can’t stop people from tearing apart stuff they buy, but they can certainly take action against leaks like this.
 
It’s not so much gloating from armchair engineers as it, WTF were Samsung engineers thinking?

Seriously, how was it possible for them to overlook such a glaringly obvious point of ingress in a $2000 device? That’s pathetic.

I imagine the engineering team told their managers all about the weaknesses of the current design. What management did after that can't be blamed on the engineers.
 
And LG is still behind with their crappy phone displays. Ask Google and the Pixel 2/3 crowd
Google may not be willing to pay what it takes to get a great panel. If Apple didn’t think LG could manufacture a display to its specs, it wouldn’t have thrown almost $3 billion at them.

My point was that for all anyone knows, the $2.7 billion Apple invested could have been for OLED screens for a folding phone.
 
There have been no allegations that iFixIt or anyone else violated any embargo, NDA, or other agreement or contract by publishing what they published. So nothing in your post is on topic.
There’s been no statement that no one violated any agreements either. I’m guessing iFixit received the unit without strings attached and was in the clear, but the reviewer who provided it probably didn’t read, or ignored, the fine print of their agreement with Samsung.

The company hasn’t asked for our Fold yet, but we signed a short-term loan agreement and expect to hand our unit back shortly.” I don’t know all the terms of the agreements, but there are agreements, they’re given as loans so Samsung retains ownership, and I’d be surprised if there wasn’t a page of restrictions attached.

Samsung jerked the leash, the reviewer yelped, and iFixit supported their partner. iFixit got most of what they needed already anyway.
 
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I just love iFixIt. This is a good teardown read, done not-too-seriously and interspersed with humor.

iFixIt teardowns are a good read for those that want to know "how things work" or in this case "how things do not work". And, they simply nailed it this time -- as the post mortem bears their findings.

In my view, no shame on Samsung -- no hate to Samsung at all.
They tried something ambitiously different and came up short.

So. let's wait and see what comes out of this, eventually, as others (not excluding Samsung) give it a renewed shot.


I tend to agree with all you say but I still fault Samsung for putting out a product with such weaknesses as a production unit since it doesn't seem to be able to stand up to careless use. I've seen lots of design for medical devices that looked great on paper, and in use, as long as the medical staff was really careful. A drop off a table or getting wet should not mean a $2000 bill. The last IV pump my hospital bought has an IP rating of 3X so the vendor told us not to get it wet. An IV pump you can't get wet? Uh oh.
I hope Samsung, or someone else is eventually successful with this.
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Besides fixing the design, Samsung should also change the name to "iFixit Folded".

Now, iFixit will be also be pressured to remove unflattering Apple reviews on new products.


No. The only question was whether they had the right to crack the phone in the first place. If they had been able to buy a production unit then Samsung would have had nothing to say.
 
Can anyone convince me that this fold nonsense isn't a fad?
The dream is an iPad mini in an iPhone form factor. You can’t expect to get there in one step, but the goal seems pretty clear. The Fold and the Mate X are early adopter devices. They’ll be low volume while companies figure out how to work through the limitations.
 
Say what you want about Samsung... at least they are innovating.... what’s Apple doing besides adding a freaking camera lense

It’s no way I’m upgrading from my mid spec XS Max this year

It’s a peculiar world that thinks a company owes us innovation so we can be sold something that replaces an excellent existing product we already own.
 
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It’s a peculiar world that thinks a company owes us innovation so we can be sold something that replaces an excellent existing product we already own.
To a degree yes they do owe us.... you know how much these phones cost.... if you don’t wow me.... you don’t get paid
 
It’s a peculiar world that thinks a company owes us innovation so we can be sold something that replaces an excellent existing product we already own.
While I don't disagree with you at all, I would say there's a difference between "owing" us and Darwinian survival of the fittest.
 
Go ahead and buy these crap as you always did with S5 fingerprint scanner, Sammy facelock, Air gestures, Note 7 etc...

I agree... but every company has its issue. Apple has... let see not in any order

Bendgate
Antennagate
Crackgate
Touch Disease
Failed mobile me product
Apple Maps in its infancy

Shoot... Apple is being suited rite now for faulty buttons
 
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I have no love for Samsung but I agree with them here. These were review units that I’m sure came with a NDA. And review units that are most likely still owned by Samsung. iFixit has no business tearing down a device they don’t own.
It's much simpler: Samsung dislikes the iFixit summary:
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I didn't realize it hadn't launched yet. Especially when I saw the headline of their teardown I just assumed this was released. Seeing now that it is not I definitely think they were wrong to post the teardown - they shouldn't be doing that on pre-release devices without checking with the manufacturer, especially when they "discover" a design flaw that the manufacturer (in good faith) may not have realized and wants to take steps to rectify.

Having said all that it still doesn't look good for this thing - for my users I wouldn't go near this thing.
 
It’s probably because review units are not meant to be given to someone else so they can tear them down...

So you quoted me with your opinion to refute me with something you don’t know yourself? Your insinuation is just as valid as mine, because we don’t have supporting evidence of what the reason really was, as there’s multiple reasons behind the Fold being pulled from ifixit. But thanks for your input.
 
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And that is exactly why it is innovation. It's a new and unique way of doing something or accomplishing a task.

it's a crappy implementation. But it's still innovative.

it's now up to the industry to learn from this and move forward with better designs. there's an old saying, that still holds true today.

"Standing on the Shoulders of Giants"

Modern tech is a prime example of that. It's taking the innovative work that was done by those who came before, and applying your own innovative slant to make something new and better.

Innovation can fail. Innovation can even be bad. Innovation can be unprofitable. Innovation doesn't care about any of that. innovation only cares that it's something being done in a new or unique way.

we should be happy for their failure here. It's clear there's an obvious design flaw with the fold. Something that Samsung just didn't think about. Now that everyone has seen that, someone will hopefully work on the next innovation that assists making this technology more accessible.

If Apple for example released a new foldable phone that didn't have the massive failures. it would be innovative, but it is still building off the "giants" innovation that came before. (and yes, Apple's own innovations are also often used by those who also come after them)

the timelines of tech innovation is years,decades,centuries old, and eeach innovation today can be traced directly through innovations of yesterday. Even failed products. For example, TouchID was an innovation on fingerprint sensors that came before. They sucked before. But someone had to try it out to find out it sucked before Apple could realize why they sucked and come up with an innovative way of doing it better. The same is probably going to happen now with foldable displays.

I guess I don't see what task is being accomplished or improved upon with this product, but I will move on.
 
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Say what you want about Samsung... at least they are innovating.... what’s Apple doing besides adding a freaking camera lense

It’s no way I’m upgrading from my mid spec XS Max this year

Agreed.

But "mid-specs max" it's just more storage, come on! :p
 
The reason is clear, it's a non released product and this could help competence to spy and get design ideas. (even if they are bad)
 
I can't believe that I got to see not one but several real, not sci-fi movie, not fake, REAL flexible-screen devices in my lifetime.

As spectacular a failure as this is, I'm glad that I was finally able to be surprised and delighted by this tech, even if it doesn't come from Apple.

I felt like a kid at Christmas, even if I found out two days later Santa wasn't real. Maybe Apple could pull an "iPod" with the tech, but without Steve to drive it I find that unlikely. Time will tell.

I think the last time I felt this amazed was when I saw the Microsoft Surface Studio and that dial you stick on the screen. I'm not an artist (my daughter is though), I would't really use it, but it was cool as hell. I wanted it. And ironically, I wanted it from Apple.

Call me idealistic, naive, or foolish, but I disagree with EVERYONE here that says that devices like the Fold are a waste of time.

Cool tech is cool in my book, even if it fails.
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Right.

Because it couldn't possibly be because there is something Apple has done that deserves said berating.

Jesus.

Darth Fishy or Daft Fishy?
 
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