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iFixit Removes Galaxy Fold Teardown at Samsung's Request
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If only the world were a dust and debris free environment like Samsung’s development labs. Then these foldable phones would be great.
Note to Samsung: test your hardware in real world settings before you ship demo units.
Note to Samsung: test your hardware in real world settings before you ship demo units.
Apple does exactly that.
Wasn't it the iPhone 4 that got headlines after an employee accidentally left one in a bar? Which sleazy new outlet paid big bucks for that "lost" iPhone?
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You can bet your bottom dollar that Apple is trying. They likely have dozens of different designs in their labs. But they will not pretend to have arrived at a consumer-ready design until they have arrived at a consumer-ready design.
There have been no allegations that iFixIt or anyone else violated any embargo, NDA, or other agreement or contract by publishing what they published. So nothing in your post is on topic.
The analogy is good, but not accurate. Apple is Mercedes most of the time. High quality. A bit of innovation. Great products. But occasionally, Apple is Tesla. Revolutionary, expensive product that redefines a cateogry. But always quality. (Apart from keyboards, of course.)
The problem with your response is it ignores what I was responding to. He said ifixit shouldn't have been allowed to publish it.
This is what iFixit said
If all you are able to read from that is that literal interpretation then OK, lets agree to disagree.
Darth Tulhu
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I can't believe that I got to see not one but several real, not sci-fi movie, not fake, REAL flexible-screen devices in my lifetime.
As spectacular a failure as this is, I'm glad that I was finally able to be surprised and delighted by this tech, even if it doesn't come from Apple.
I felt like a kid at Christmas, even if I found out two days later Santa wasn't real. Maybe Apple could pull an "iPod" with the tech, but without Steve to drive it I find that unlikely. Time will tell.
I think the last time I felt this amazed was when I saw the Microsoft Surface Studio and that dial you stick on the screen. I'm not an artist (my daughter is though), I would't really use it, but it was cool as hell. I wanted it. And ironically, I wanted it from Apple.
Call me idealistic, naive, or foolish, but I disagree with EVERYONE here that says that devices like the Fold are a waste of time.
Cool tech is cool in my book, even if it fails.
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Right.
Because it couldn't possibly be because there is something Apple has done that deserves said berating.
Jesus.
They should shelve this phone and go back to the drawing board so to speak. Maybe work on making it the same thickness folded as a non-folding phone. Or mature the screen a bit. Because it clearly isn't really ready for use and abuse in the real world.
Good point. If they got it legally, I think they would leave the tear down up. Freedom of the press and all if it was theirs and not subject to a non disclosure.
Darth Tulhu
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Personally, I would love for Apple to copy a whole bunch of stuff from Sansung and Android so that I could use their iOS devices without missing out on stuff I can do now, today on my Sammy...
Copying is underrated in my book.
And to be fair, when Samsung or Google don't copy Apple, it's usually better (in my opinion, of course).
Which is why I use a Note8.
it's innovation. it's just, lazy innovation that was probably not thoroughly thought out. The Galaxy Fold is still too close to a concept than production ready device though. So the Fold is innovative. It's just marred by serious design flaws.
whether or not you like the look / feel of the device is irrelevant to innovation.
Darth Tulhu
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Given that you called it "nonsense", it sounds like you're already convinced.
So the answer to your question is: No
a) I believe iFixIt should have resisted a little longer
b) There is no way the production ready retail phones will be better
c) They need to ship it, replacements for complainers are cheaper. See Apple
d) Earning 2k USD for a failed phone is still a good opportunity if you just want money
e) It's still a mass-produced cheap phone, they just could have done to disconnected screens.
f) ... but marketing
... all in my opinion of course.
b) There is no way the production ready retail phones will be better
c) They need to ship it, replacements for complainers are cheaper. See Apple
d) Earning 2k USD for a failed phone is still a good opportunity if you just want money
e) It's still a mass-produced cheap phone, they just could have done to disconnected screens.
f) ... but marketing
... all in my opinion of course.
this is the place I look at it. It amuses me the amont of people on these forums who don't actually care about technology as a whole, but only care about Apple and what they do.
Someone else releases new tech that Apple doesn't have? "useless gimmick!" and "nobody cares its not Apple", "its not innovative if it's not profitable for apple" and other complete and utter nonsense
From a tech geek, the Fold and other first gen folding devices are a technical marvel that we've never ever seen before. That's amazing. Do the devices overall fail to meet usability standards we expect? Absolutely. And they are absolutely super bleeding edge at this point. But anyone who is attacking the innovation of folding phones and displays because its not got Apple's logo on it is absolutely delusional and completely fails to understand how technology, and technological innovation moves forward.
It’s probably because review units are not meant to be given to someone else so they can tear them down.Remember when Apple banned iFixit and removed them from the App Store because they tore down the Apple TV and Siri Remote Developer Edition? Nah you don’t obviously...
Fair enough. I still don't agree that crap like this can be considered innovation, but I guess the attempt in itself is a potential step forward for the industry. At the least, it can show everyone else what not to do.
And that is exactly why it is innovation. It's a new and unique way of doing something or accomplishing a task.
it's a crappy implementation. But it's still innovative.
it's now up to the industry to learn from this and move forward with better designs. there's an old saying, that still holds true today.
"Standing on the Shoulders of Giants"
Modern tech is a prime example of that. It's taking the innovative work that was done by those who came before, and applying your own innovative slant to make something new and better.
Innovation can fail. Innovation can even be bad. Innovation can be unprofitable. Innovation doesn't care about any of that. innovation only cares that it's something being done in a new or unique way.
we should be happy for their failure here. It's clear there's an obvious design flaw with the fold. Something that Samsung just didn't think about. Now that everyone has seen that, someone will hopefully work on the next innovation that assists making this technology more accessible.
If Apple for example released a new foldable phone that didn't have the massive failures. it would be innovative, but it is still building off the "giants" innovation that came before. (and yes, Apple's own innovations are also often used by those who also come after them)
the timelines of tech innovation is years,decades,centuries old, and eeach innovation today can be traced directly through innovations of yesterday. Even failed products. For example, TouchID was an innovation on fingerprint sensors that came before. They sucked before. But someone had to try it out to find out it sucked before Apple could realize why they sucked and come up with an innovative way of doing it better. The same is probably going to happen now with foldable displays.
It’s odd that you feel the need to be so toxic. Do you have some type of personal vendetta or grudge?
Regardless, his stipulation and your rebuttal aren’t mutually exclusive.
You made a bad comparison.
Yes I agree android tablets are pretty boring, because there is very little you can actually do with them and their limited app selection. Unless you like using blown up android apps on a tablet screen, no one else does.
Sure because cost would make your comparison even dumber than it was to begin with.
Darth Tulhu
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EXACTLY.
And the funny thing is, Samsung and others WARNED us they're bleeding edge, hence the price. They said it ISN'T for everone. They aren't discontinuing or replacing their other models and form factors (like Apple usually does). Hell, it's NOT OUT YET.
But it IS well past vapourware at this point. People held it. Used it. And despite the reasonable misgivings, reporters came away impressed. This IS the future.
Other companies are thinking differently about it. Huawei's example is really impressive.
I'm sure Apple is working on it too. But again, without Steve's vision, can they pull it off? Apple's success is built on how HE thought things should work. People underestimate his vision's impact on the entire industry. And Apple seems hell-bent on doing things differently from Steve, for better or in my opinion, way worse.
This form-factor is so new, we need someone like Steve to take it to it's full potential, and I don't think that neither Tim nor Jony are it. We may be stuck in a "pre-iPod-MP3-player"-like alternate reality where no one takes the tech where he would have.