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GPU failures was 100% nvidia problem. Thats why Apple don't buy GPU from them.

That's not the reason for the bad blood between nVidia and apple (to apple's loss, of course). The fried D700s in the Mac Pro were not made by nVidia. Bad thermals can fry any gpu. Physics does not favor any brands.
 
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That's not the reason for the bad blood between nVidia and apple (to apple's loss, of course). The fried D700s in the Mac Pro were not made by nVidia. Bad thermals can fry any gpu. Physics does not favor any brands.

Which makes me wonder just how well the 16" MBP is going to cope with 130W TDP from CPU+GPU alone if, RX 5500M has TDP of 85W (no reason to think that the "Pro" version would be significantly lower)... And there doesn't seem to be any cooling around the "SSD" chips.
 
7 years of complaining. If you don’t like the way Apple makes computers, don’t buy them. It isn’t any more complicated than that, is it?

Funny you should say that, normally people who complain do not buy... and I'm guessing depsite all the complaints about the Trashcan, Apple decided to go back to the fully modular design out of their generosity 🤔 🤣
 
Times are always changing. The time of the post-buy configurable computer is dead. Difficult to accept? Yes, because we have been spoiled by that. Now I invite you all to another way of thinking...
So how does the new MacPro fit into your statement? Shame on Apple for their bad product strategy fooling all customers who relied on Apple and invested heavily into their ecosystem and software.
Longevity and sustainability decreases while the price increases. Same decrease is true for usability, ports and repairability no matter if you look at hard or software. I think even the price on eBay decreases.

Personally I complained and complained - then I configured myself a PC workstation again. Linux with a native Gnome shell is really nice and AMD Ryzen rocks. But I do miss some great tools like TextMate.

I still want the Apple of 2012 back - those laptops where just awesome. Today Tim tries to tell you they still are - but they are not!
 
So how does the new MacPro fit into your statement? Shame on Apple for their bad product strategy fooling all customers who relied on Apple and invested heavily into their ecosystem and software.
Longevity and sustainability decreases while the price increases. Same decrease is true for usability, ports and repairability no matter if you look at hard or software. I think even the price on eBay decreases.

Personally I complained and complained - then I configured myself a PC workstation again. Linux with a native Gnome shell is really nice and AMD Ryzen rocks. But I do miss some great tools like TextMate.

I still want the Apple of 2012 back - those laptops where just awesome. Today Tim tries to tell you they still are - but they are not!

Wait for the next innovative step from Apple to be "we added all these ports" and "made internals maintainable," and watch all those here who tell you how great the current shiny expensive monobrick design is praise the "innovation" from Apple 🤣
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Didn’t the Titanic sink because of rivets??

Perhaps not: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ork-southampton-sink-april-1912-a7504236.html
 
Which makes me wonder just how well the 16" MBP is going to cope with 130W TDP from CPU+GPU alone if, RX 5500M has TDP of 85W (no reason to think that the "Pro" version would be significantly lower)... And there doesn't seem to be any cooling around the "SSD" chips.

Google is your friend.


50w TGP - So 95w total, hence the 96w power adapter.

Also, the AMD GPU is the Radeon Pro, not the Radeon RX. The Radeon Pro 5500M actually has two more CUs than the Radeon RX 5500M, albeit at a lower clock speed and with slower (12Gbps v. 14Gbps) effective memory speed.
 
It certainly makes me way more objective than some who says they won't touch something non-Apple! The inventory of computers shows lack of bias towards/worship of Apple, if that point is lost on you altogheter, then I am done discussing it with you!

No, I understand more than you do apparently. Ultimately you are saying that you believe you have purchased objectivity. If objectivity can simply be bought and then used to brag about how objective one is then said objectivity is entirely devoid of any value. Not that there is any real merit to that argument to begin with.

And saying "I wouldn't touch whatever" is simply a figure of speech. You've repeated it several times as if it were literal.
 
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Google is your friend.


50w TGP

You're confusing TGP (total graphics power) and TDP (thermal design power), I'll let you figure out the difference between the two, to quote you "Google is your friend"! Makes me wonder what exactly it was that you were doing while you were working at Apple! 🤔 🤣 Wow, you've edited your post since I quoted you and you made it more ignorant...


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And saying "I wouldn't touch whatever" is simply a figure of speech. You've repeated it several times as if it were literal.

sure, sure, sure, go say "I won't touch <insert any nationality>" and see how that plays out, words have meaning, if you don't mean something you say, don't say it!
 
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You're confusing TGP (total graphics power) and TDP (thermal design power)

according to Nvidia:
The TGP (total graphics power) represents the maximum amount of graphics board power that the system power supply should be able to provide to the graphics card.
I’m a bit confused here...You cannot consume 50w and produce 90w of heat...
 
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You're confusing TGP (total graphics power) and TDP (thermal design power), I'll let you figure out the difference between the two, to quote you "Google is your friend"! Makes me wonder what exactly it was that you were doing while you were working at Apple! 🤔 🤣

And I'm not really sure why I keep replying to a troll like you, but I can contribute to the thread for others to gain some knowledge.

TGP is typically HIGHER than TDP, not the other way around.

 
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Eh, if you buy Apple Care then there's really no reason to complain. Apple has always gone above and beyond for me with repairs/exchanges so I'm fine with the repairability score of 1.

and after 3 years? My 2016 mac book pro is now a ticking time bomb. Luckily I was able to get the bloated battery and broken keyboard fixed just before my warranty ran out. If the battery goes again it is going to be a pricey fix. Not to mention that if I use it a lot the next few years the battery won't hold much of a charge. These computers are no longer made to last many many years. It has enough power that I could use it for another 5 years but I guarentee I won't be able to.
 
battery could be replaced at €209. They are not replacing the whole top case for that.
Flying Dutchman dude.
Are you sure? I say you are posting an assertion based on price (or cost of goods to Apple).

My take is that replacing a 16-in MBP battery demands, at least relative to Genius "repair skills" and "bench time", swapping the complete upper case, together with the glued battery, (riveted) keyboard and speakers. Possibly only saving the touchpad, but only on the 16-in.

How do I know? Because I have done one such battery upgrade on a prior-generation mid-2015 MBPr, and it is major, difficult surgery. (There is little difference in layout between the prior-generation and the 16-in MBPr)

There is no way that Apple corporate would allow such extreme surgery on a customer's MBP on the reduced confines of their "clean room" backroom, with the uncertain micro-skills of the so-called Geniuses.
 
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according to Nvidia:
The TGP (total graphics power) represents the maximum amount of graphics board power that the system power supply should be able to provide to the graphics card.
I’m a bit confused here...You cannot consume 50w and produce 90w of heat...

Sure and the VRAMM and everything that supports the chip generates zero heat, right? The reason why AMD quote _chip_ TGP is because they can ignore everything but the chip, cf. that with a typical graphics card where you can infer TGP from TDP :rolleyes:
 
Flying Dutchman dude.
Are you sure? I say you are posting an assertion based on price (or cost of goods to Apple).

My take is that replacing a 16-in MBP battery demands, at least relative to Genius "repair skills" and "bench time", swapping the complete upper case, together with the glued battery, (riveted) keyboard and speakers. Possibly only saving the touchpad, but only on the 16-in.

How do I know? Because I have done one such battery upgrade on a prior-generation mid-2015 MBPr, and it is major, difficult surgery. (There is little difference in layout between the prior-generation and the 16-in MBPr)

There is no way that Apple corporate would allow such extreme surgery on a customer's MBP on the reduced confines of their "clean room" backroom, with the uncertain micro-skills of the so-called Geniuses.

If you think replacing a Top Case w/ Keyboard & Battery is "extreme surgery", then you shouldn't be touching any computer to repair it.
 
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I would rather be able to repair it myself, but if Apple can guarantee that the device will not fail in less than 7 years then I guess I got my money's worth.

Cmon people, complain more, I know you can do it

complaining works, haven't you seen the return of the better scissor keyboards and the physical escape key?
 
sure, sure, sure, go say "I won't touch <insert any nationality>" and see how that plays out, words have meaning, if you don't mean something you say, don't say it!

The discussion is on computers, not people. Use some common sense. It is no one else’s problem that you fail to understand the difference between figurative and literal statements.
 
Sure and the VRAMM and everything that supports the chip generates zero heat, right? The reason why AMD quote _chip_ TGP is because they can ignore everything but the chip, cf. that with a typical graphics card where you can infer TGP from TDP :rolleyes:

in this case we shold use the term total board power to include everything like nvidia has used. In this case, not all of the heat from GPU components is transferred to the heatsink.
 
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in this case we shold use the term total board power to include everything like nvidia has used. In this case, not all of the heat from GPU components is transferred to the heatsink.

Notice he never replied to my comment. TGP is typically higher than TDP....GDDR6 doesn't produce THAT much heat.
 
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