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737 MAX - repairability score of -100
What? I think you meant for this to be funny but it doesn't really make sense. Maybe, because I've worked on the a few different aircraft. If you want repairable comparisions, I haven't seen one better than the C130.

The MAX are still very repairable to most every other aircraft but had to be grounded because there are MANY inspections/tests that have to be conducted after grounding aircraft. Which was why some countries did not want to ground them because it would have crippled their airlines since they probably needed them for volume or had decommissioned/sold those that were replaced.
 
The complaint is the ease of repairing an electronic device to reduce waste and extend the longevity of it, instead of a full recycle of a component such as the entire top case which includes the keyboard, battery, speakers, touch bar, etc. Of course, if you're already a wasteful person, don't care about the environment, nor future generations other than just what appeases you while you're alive, then I'm sure you are absolutely fine with these unnecessary engineering designs. It does reduce cost to Apple though and makes them more of a profit than the design which allows more modular individual components. Speakers blown; replace the top case. Key sticking; replace the top case. Battery degraded and requiring replacement; replace the top case. Touch Bar inoperative; replace the top case....
battery could be replaced at €209. They are not replacing the whole top case for that.
 
What? I think you meant for this to be funny but it doesn't really make sense. Maybe, because I've worked on the a few different aircraft. If you want repairable comparisions, I haven't seen one better than the C130.

The MAX are still very repairable to most every other aircraft but had to be grounded because there are MANY inspections/tests that have to be conducted after grounding aircraft. Which was why some countries did not want to ground them because it would have crippled their airlines since they probably needed them for volume or had decommissioned/sold those that were replaced.
The point is that the 373 MAX construction can't be repaired.
 
Actually this laptop is truly impressive. If you look at what its packing for its size/thickness. 100wh battery isnt even that common in gaming laptops which are 2-3 times as thick. Just look at what they achieved, thin and light, with a lot of horsepower, best speakers, best mic, best screen. Its like the question thanos got asked, what did it cost? apple: everything, as in glueing and soldering everything together. Especially the speakers need to be glued, since they try to avoid resonance as much as possible, which can't be said about other brands.
 
I wonder if the cost to replace the motherboard (with the RAM and the SSD) out of warranty depends on the amount of RAM and the size of the SSD (and the GPU)?

I don't really fear any of these specific components to fail (rather some other thing on the motherboard) - but it would be a major inconvenience if anything like this happened, especially if you spec' it up a bit (32GB, 1TB...).
 
Apple needs to dispense with the "Pro" nomenclature if they're going to continue to solder critical components to the logic board and make it more difficult to repair with glue and rivets.
Yep. Exactly why the '17 MBP is most likely my last. I wouldn't have purchased this one but received a phenomenal deal from a corporate purchase. Got this one when they were released, i7 3.1 1TB 560x, for $2k with AC until end of '21. Only way, I'd purchase another is if I can get this similar purchase price for a future $3k+ MBP.
 
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Eh, if you buy Apple Care then there's really no reason to complain. Apple has always gone above and beyond for me with repairs/exchanges so I'm fine with the repairability score of 1.

Yes there is. Apple Care was of no help when I needed to replace parts in my 2011 17" MacBook Pro at year 8 last year.
 
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I wonder if the cost to replace the motherboard (with the RAM and the SSD) out of warranty depends on the amount of RAM and the size of the SSD (and the GPU)?

I don't really fear any of these specific components to fail (rather some other thing on the motherboard) - but it would be a major inconvenience if anything like this happened, especially if you spec' it up a bit (32GB, 1TB...).

I would be real concerned with GPU failures since Apple has had a history of those.
 
Nice to get the old keyboard back, but I will not buy it until it has been battle tested for a year. I'm not making the same mistake twice.
 
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Actually this laptop is truly impressive. If you look at what its packing for its size/thickness. 100wh battery isnt even that common in gaming laptops which are 2-3 times as thick. Just look at what they achieved, thin and light, with a lot of horsepower, best speakers, best mic, best screen. Its like the question thanos got asked, what did it cost? apple: everything, as in glueing and soldering everything together. Especially the speakers need to be glued, since they try to avoid resonance as much as possible, which can't be said about other brands.
And I’m almost sure it still has same bad thermal cpu paste applied by a blind monkey. That’s impressive too.
 
Considering the weight of this thing, it would've made no difference if Apple made the parts removable with good old screws.

I expect it's for "build quality" not weight-savings. By gluing and riveting everything, nothing moves so the frame remains more rigid and less chance of stuff working loose inside.


And in return you'd get a highly repairable laptop that you could potentially keep forever.

Only buying a Mac once and upgrading it forever is anathema to Apple. Heck, it is anathema to any manufacturer.


The complaint is the ease of repairing an electronic device to reduce waste and extend the longevity of it, instead of a full recycle of a component such as the entire top case which includes the keyboard, battery, speakers, touch bar, etc...

Honestly it probably costs Apple more to do these "replace rather than fix" designs. I mean there is a reason they kept tinkering with the butterfly-mechanism and it probably was because the costs of replacing the entire upper-case every time one failed was getting out of hand and having a material impact on the bottom line of the family. Apple charges what, $750 for a repair? Even if the part and labor costs Apple $250, that is probably half of the margin on a base laptop. Replace it again and they're negative on the whole thing.


Because there are tons of reasons as to why you should always purchase and replace your current computer every 3 years.

Considering how many people complain about Apple not updating Macs every six months when a new CPU or GPU model is released, one would think most users do replace their machines on a very regular basis. :p
 
Apple needs to dispense with the "Pro" nomenclature if they're going to continue to solder critical components to the logic board and make it more difficult to repair with glue and rivets.
Pro is Apple’s designation for the higher spec and featured model in any given product category.

Many, many non-“pros” buy MacBook Pro. Mac Pro, not so much; the feature set tends to make the price a little steep for those who don’t use their Mac to generate revenue.
 
Only buying a Mac once and upgrading it forever is anathema to Apple. Heck, it is anathema to any manufacturer.

Yes, however this is not at all how that works. CPU sockets change, GPUs are not socketed, so eventually you run out of impact from the upgrade.

However, it means that if you couldn't afford a laughable $4000 to spend to get 64GB RAM and a larger SSD you just have to buy all over again.
 
Considering the weight of this thing, it would've made no difference if Apple made the parts removable with good old screws.

And in return you'd get a highly repairable laptop that you could potentially keep forever.
”Potentially keep forever”? How you liking your computing on a VIC-20, eh? Oh, you don’t? Hmmm.

What an absurd statement...5-7 years would sounds realistic, forever sounds like you have a made an emotional attachment.
 
that means iFixit can't repair it.
Not Apple.
iFixit.

Different things.
Which means an individual can't repair it. The T2 release restricted replacement of the touch bar, which is in the top case, which can't be repaired by any one other than Apple or authorized repair centers. This is going to be a $700+ repair, even 3+ years in the future after AC has ran out. On a computer that's depreciated to $1k or less and you have to spend that much to replace the f!@#ing battery, keyboard, etc. since they're almost impossible to remove/replace by said third-party's. Apple could have incorporated a means to lock the enclave in the T2 which can be unlocked by the owner, similar to iCloud lock, if they wanted to replace the top case. Instead, they chose to lock down the firmware whereby the replacement requires proprietary software/hardware to interface with the T2 controller board for "authorization". It's not much different than Apple making a check on the battery controller to determine if it was a repair by Apple or authorized repair center. Not a check for an official/authorized Apple battery. The batteries require firmware pairing with iOS, regardless to if they are authentic OEM Apple batteries.
 
Pro is Apple’s designation for the higher spec and featured model in any given product category.

Many, many non-“pros” buy MacBook Pro. Mac Pro, not so much; the feature set tends to make the price a little steep for those who don’t use their Mac to generate revenue.

Ah yes, the Social media generation who needs the MacBookPro for Facebook... 🤣
 
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Seems like Apple is going in the right direction. Both the New MBP and iPhone Pros are getting THICC batteries.
 
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