No jelly scroll on my Mini 7. Display also has better contrast than the 5 and 6.
It's a delight to use.
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iFixit Shares iPad Mini 7 Teardown, Adds Mystery to 'Jelly Scrolling' Fix
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It’s funny how this non issue is only an issue on tech sites. Nobody in real life sees this as an issue. And no, responding comment, you really don’t.
At $499+, iPad mini 7 is just a bad deal if you compare the value/$ to Air M2 or Pro M4.
But Apple knows you mini lovers are all still going to upgrade and that’s why they don’t fix or upgrade anything beyond the bare minimum.
But remember, you and your dollars make the mini what it is.
If you want Apple to make the next one more impressive then stop buying every single new iteration.
Capitalism doesn’t work to increase competition in the consumer electronics market if we go around buying new stuff for no good reason, and give Apple money when they’re not doing their job well and not impressing us with their latest and greatest.
This new mini is a dud, don’t buy it!
But Apple knows you mini lovers are all still going to upgrade and that’s why they don’t fix or upgrade anything beyond the bare minimum.
But remember, you and your dollars make the mini what it is.
If you want Apple to make the next one more impressive then stop buying every single new iteration.
Capitalism doesn’t work to increase competition in the consumer electronics market if we go around buying new stuff for no good reason, and give Apple money when they’re not doing their job well and not impressing us with their latest and greatest.
This new mini is a dud, don’t buy it!
The iPad mini 5 (which I own) has jelly scroll in landscape. Most people didn’t notice because on a device this size most aren’t using it in landscape for large amounts of vertical scrolling.
I now have the iPad mini 7. Jelly scroll is definitely still there. I think it is better. The first thing I did when I opened the box was load up this website because when I checked out the iPad mini 6 in stores and visited this website the jelly scroll was super obvious. I thought at first that it was fixed on the 7. But further use revealed that it is still there just maybe not quite so bad. Honestly the mini 7 is simply the perfect form factor for me so I’m willing to forgive this one issue even though I wish it wasn’t there.
Rotating the display controller refers to whether it's placed on the long edge or the short edge of the display. They moved it from the top of of the mini 5, to the side of the mini 6 and 7. That changed what pixels are updated first vs last and made jelly scroll more more apparent when holding it in portrait orientation.
Anybody saying jelly scroll doesn’t exist is simply not sensitive to it.
It is there on 100% of the units
It is something on all LCD displays to varying degrees and direction depending on how they are implemented
I have jelly scroll on my iPad mini 5 that I’m typing this on, but it is oriented for the landscape direction and I never personally notice it because it’s happening all the way on the far right side of the panel.
The physical distance from one side of the screen to the other is what mitigates it as a concern for me on this device. What makes it so bothersome for many of us on the 6/7 is that the jelly is occurring in the portrait orientation, which is physically a very short distance.
The most accurate thing somebody can say is that jelly scroll is not something they notice or they’re not bothered by it, but it is totally inaccurate to say your device does not have it
It is there on 100% of the units
It is something on all LCD displays to varying degrees and direction depending on how they are implemented
I have jelly scroll on my iPad mini 5 that I’m typing this on, but it is oriented for the landscape direction and I never personally notice it because it’s happening all the way on the far right side of the panel.
The physical distance from one side of the screen to the other is what mitigates it as a concern for me on this device. What makes it so bothersome for many of us on the 6/7 is that the jelly is occurring in the portrait orientation, which is physically a very short distance.
The most accurate thing somebody can say is that jelly scroll is not something they notice or they’re not bothered by it, but it is totally inaccurate to say your device does not have it
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Its just the same where my brother is perfectly fine gaming on his 60hz monitor, but I only use monitors now with VRR. When I use a non promotion display, now I feel like there's something wrong with it. On a $499 "mini" device, I'm expecting the best available, but we're getting $150 android quality screens instead.
100%
I still wouldn’t like it, but it would at least be a little bit more excusable if this was some $249 device
But it starts at $500 and scales up quite a bit due to their upgrade price gouging
It ain’t cheap and should have a far better screen than it does
The pixels within an LCD panel (i.e. the actual “liquid crystals”) are not refreshed all at once for each new picture frame, but instead are refreshed line by line. This means that if you take a snapshot of the panel while it refreshes from one frame to the next, some of the pixels will show the new frame while others will still show the previous frame.
In addition, each pixel doesn’t change its state instantaneously, but needs a number of milliseconds to transition from the previous state to the new state. This means that in the snapshot, pixels will be in various degrees of blending between the old state and the new state. When comparing the first line with the last line, the first line may already have fully transitioned to the new frame, whereas the last line is still completely on the old frame. And the lines in between will be in some intermediate state.
Now, when you scroll perpendicular to those refresh lines, this means that one edge of the screen will already show the next scroll position while the other edge still shows the old scroll position. Due to the continuous state change of the pixels between those two edges, it looks as if the contents is slanted between the old and new scroll position.
This effect is stronger the narrower the display is in the problematic direction, and also the longer the pixel response time (the longer they take to change their state). If the response time is especially slow, it may even “smear” across multiple successive frames or scroll positions.
From the mini 5 to the mini 6, Apple (a) changed the refresh direction from the long side to the short side, and in addition (b) made the aspect ratio of the screen much narrower than before (from 4:3 to less than 3:2), and (c) (this is just my suspicion from comparing both side by side) the new panels have a worse pixel response time.
From what has been reported about the mini 7, my guess is that the response time (c) has been improved, but obviously (a) and (b) hasn’t changed.
Since the frame contents is transferred line by line from RAM to the panel, the lines are physically driven along either the long side or the short side of the display panel, and that’s where the display controller sits along the edge of the panel. Presumably, because the bezel widths changed from the mini 5 to the mini 6, it was more convenient to place the display controller along the long edge than the short edge, however with the side effect of switching to the refresh direction where the slanting effect is more pronounced.
Apple would have to switch that positioning back to the short side in order to completely eliminate the issue in portrait orientation. Apparently they didn’t want to invest the engineering effort to change the internal component layout of the mini again.
@Joe Rossignol IMO there isn’t much of a mystery here.
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Double buffering doesn’t eliminate the issue (and I would assume that iOS already does double buffering), because the issue is caused by how the pixels refresh on the panel itself. See my previous post above.
one of Tim's 'five inspirations' before leaving Apple is to roll out jelly scroll to all product lines.
its the bestest jelly scroll we've ever designed.
Hate to say it but it’s still there and noticeable. This revision of the iPad mini is a slap in the face. It could have been so much more. For the minor spec bump the price should have dropped to $399
...except for all the people like myself for which it IS an issue.
It actually would need to be physically rotated so that it aligns with the top (or bottom) of the display vs the way it is now aligned next to the long side. On other iPads, it's on the top, vs the mini where it's on the side. The iFixit video shows this well on around 20-35 secs in their video and shows where it would need to be placed.
This is making the news even worse. Apple is offering something like that after years as new tech?
Electronics repair website iFixit this weekend shared an iPad mini 7 teardown video, and it adds some mystery to the device's "jelly scrolling" improvements.
"Jelly scrolling" refers to screen tearing, which can cause text or images on one side of the screen to appear to be tilted downwards because of a mismatch in refresh rates. It can cause one side of the display to look as if it is responding faster than the other side, resulting in a visual disturbance that is hard to ignore once noticed. Some customers noticed the effect on the iPad mini 6 when the device was used in portrait orientation, leading to complaints over the past three years, but not everyone noticed it or was bothered by the effect.
Despite an Apple spokesperson once stating that "jelly scrolling" was "normal" behavior for iPads with LCD displays, it appears the company still felt inclined to reduce the effect on the iPad mini 7. Many reviewers said that "jelly scrolling" was less noticeable or not noticeable at all on the latest iPad mini, and it seems that Apple vaguely told some of these reviewers that it made display-related changes to address the matter.
It was speculated that Apple might have rotated the display controller inside the iPad mini 7 to make "jelly scrolling" less visible in portrait orientation, but interestingly, iFixit said that the display controller's position has not changed compared to the iPad mini 6. The website concluded that Apple has done some unknown "trickery" to reduce "jelly scrolling," so it still remains unclear exactly what Apple has done to mitigate the issue.
The teardown video also revealed that the iPad mini 7's rear Apple logo can be removed, but otherwise the device's internal design is similar to the iPad mini 6.
Apple released the iPad mini 7 last week, with key features including the A17 Pro chip, Apple Intelligence support, Apple Pencil Pro support, and more.
Article Link: iFixit Shares iPad Mini 7 Teardown, Adds Mystery to 'Jelly Scrolling' Fix
I’m sure you share the same stance towards iPhone and other iPads yes? If we go by you, no one would buy anything Apple. I done my part and got the mini 7. Loving it!
The effect was far, far worse on the Mini 6 than on ANY other device with an LCD that I can think of, which is a LOT simply due to how many LCDs we have all looked at.
This is making the news even worse. Apple is offering something like that after years as new tech?
Electronics repair website iFixit this weekend shared an iPad mini 7 teardown video, and it adds some mystery to the device's "jelly scrolling" improvements.
"Jelly scrolling" refers to screen tearing, which can cause text or images on one side of the screen to appear to be tilted downwards because of a mismatch in refresh rates. It can cause one side of the display to look as if it is responding faster than the other side, resulting in a visual disturbance that is hard to ignore once noticed. Some customers noticed the effect on the iPad mini 6 when the device was used in portrait orientation, leading to complaints over the past three years, but not everyone noticed it or was bothered by the effect.
Despite an Apple spokesperson once stating that "jelly scrolling" was "normal" behavior for iPads with LCD displays, it appears the company still felt inclined to reduce the effect on the iPad mini 7. Many reviewers said that "jelly scrolling" was less noticeable or not noticeable at all on the latest iPad mini, and it seems that Apple vaguely told some of these reviewers that it made display-related changes to address the matter.
It was speculated that Apple might have rotated the display controller inside the iPad mini 7 to make "jelly scrolling" less visible in portrait orientation, but interestingly, iFixit said that the display controller's position has not changed compared to the iPad mini 6. The website concluded that Apple has done some unknown "trickery" to reduce "jelly scrolling," so it still remains unclear exactly what Apple has done to mitigate the issue.
The teardown video also revealed that the iPad mini 7's rear Apple logo can be removed, but otherwise the device's internal design is similar to the iPad mini 6.
Apple released the iPad mini 7 last week, with key features including the A17 Pro chip, Apple Intelligence support, Apple Pencil Pro support, and more.
Article Link: iFixit Shares iPad Mini 7 Teardown, Adds Mystery to 'Jelly Scrolling' Fix