Nope. Could be a rogue app that you have installed causing the crashes.My Mini 7 doesn’t seem to have jelly scrolling, but it has spontaneously restarted about half a dozen times since I got it. Has anyone else experienced this?
Nope. Could be a rogue app that you have installed causing the crashes.My Mini 7 doesn’t seem to have jelly scrolling, but it has spontaneously restarted about half a dozen times since I got it. Has anyone else experienced this?
No, it doesn't."Jelly scrolling" refers to screen tearing,
Damn, that baby with Debian and oled...You're probably right about a Mini OLED
Maybe a future version of the Lenovo Legion Y700 will have an OLED option?
I just want OLED -- so used to it on my phone and TVs -- everything looks very "meh" in comparison
When I had a mini, I never used it in portrait mode. I have an Air now and it is always in landscape.Try turning it to landscape. My understanding is that Apple moved the display controller to the landscape posiition in the iPad mini 6, which shifted jelly scrolling from landscape to portrait. I’ll bet it does have it but since nobody scrolls a mini in landscape, no one noticed it. Minis are generally used in portrait. Anytime it’s in landscape, it’s usually because the user is playing a game or watching a video, in which case there is no scrolling going on. I think this is why iFixit is baffled as to what Apple did to reduce it in the 7 since the display controller was not rotated back to the landscape position.
Purely speculative but maybe a teeny tiny bump in refresh rate albeit basic test still show 60hz. As a previous owner of a Mini 6 and currently testing a Mini 7 it’s not as bad but still very noticeable to someone like me.IF Apple has improved the jelly scroll on iPM7 - what's the educated guess on how they did it?
• a slightly better LCD?
OR
• software changes?
If software - why not fix the Mini 6?
AgreedIt was a minor upgrade to a product people and users love, but probably doesn't move the needle much at apple. If we got a better screen and performance it would've been a game changer. Its a great device just with an underpowered screen and processor that didn't prove much with this upgrade. Tim Cook and the team blew this one😔
SameWhen I had a mini, I never used it in portrait mode. I have an Air now and it is always in landscape.
My Mini 7 doesn’t seem to have jelly scrolling, but it has spontaneously restarted about half a dozen times since I got it. Has anyone else experienced this?
Agreed
It's pretty much the equivalent of what they did with the next AirPods Max as well with only a port change from lightning to USB-C
Talk about some squandered opportunities to make some things some legit upgrades
Double buffering doesn’t eliminate the issue (and I would assume that iOS already does double buffering), because the issue is caused by how the pixels refresh on the panel itself. See my previous post above.
I find it curious that so many people used the iPhone before Promotion was ever uttered by Apple and it wasn’t the unusable device so many here and elsewhere want to claim devices to be now.
I used to watch tv shows on a 13” CRT and thought they looked perfectly fine, too.
How quickly we become accustomed to luxuries.
It does refresh 60 times per second, but the refresh isn’t instantaneous (a 60 Hz frame lasts 16.7 milliseconds, so a refesh can stretch over that timespan), and it also doesn’t happen on all lines at the same time. Similar to a CRT, the refresh starts at one edge of the display and ”slowly” progresses across the screen. Depending on where a pixel sits in that progression, it will be in different states of transition at any given time (if it’s a pixel where the old and new frame have a different color value).Your summary captures everything I understood about the issue but to the extent double buffering won't address this problem then it seems that the display on these devices isn't truly refreshing the whole screen at 60Hz?
CRTs in principle have the same effect when you scroll horizontally on them. But I guess you rarely had smooth horizontal scrolling of vertical lines that stretch across the full height, and also the aspect ratio wasn’t as narrow. Another difference is that CRT phosphor responds (lights up) almost instantaneously (0.01 ms or less), and also decays relatively quickly (5 ms or so, less than a third of a 60 Hz frame), which means the human eye only gets a short “flash” of each frame. This is opposed to LCD and OLED, which hold the picture across the whole duration of the frame (“sample and hold”, which also causes motion to be more blurry in general than on a CRT).If the framebuffer is drawn completely before being pushed to the display (double buffering) and the whole display is being refreshed at 60Hz, the issue shouldn't be any worse than we had in the CRT days. Which I never heard anyone complain about when phosphors durations were properly matched to refresh rate and double buffering was used.
It is likely similar to the Apple Vision Pro blurring. When I whip my head back and forth with the AVP on, browser windows blur horribly. It isn’t really a problem though, because 99% of the time I’m browsing the web on my Apple Vision Pro, I’m not whipping my head back and forth. I actually find that it makes reading more difficult than it needs to be even when I’m NOT wearing the AVP.It’s funny how this non issue is only an issue on tech sites. Nobody in real life sees this as an issue. And no, responding comment, you really don’t.
Only to folks that want it. In any given year, there are about 7 billion plus people that don’t want to buy what Apple’s offering. To the half billion or so left, they only have to sell a couple hundred million of various products.This is making the news even worse. Apple is offering something like that after years as new tech?
“THIS REALLY SUCKS!! I can’t read while I’m scrolling like this, see?”A complete non issue to most iPad mini users. I’ve had multiple iPad mini and larger iPads and yeah I can see it if I look, but it doesn’t bother me and I forget about it.
It’s a non issue for most and only seems to come up in detailed reviews and macrumors forums. That’s probably why they don’t do anything so major about it.
Usually because Apple stopped making:It's a form of gaslighting that some people use to justify taking a swing at Apple.
Lying? Really? Would that include the person who recently reviewed the iPad Mini 7 for MR and found no jelly scroll?
Tell us about *your* experiences with *your* iPad Mini 7.
Some people are whining about a problem they artificially create, and it’s the same whiners on here lol
CRTs in principle have the same effect when you scroll horizontally on them. But I guess you rarely had smooth horizontal scrolling of vertical lines that stretch across the full height, and also the aspect ratio wasn’t as narrow. Another difference is that CRT phosphor responds (lights up) almost instantaneously (0.01 ms or less), and also decays relatively quickly (5 ms or so, less than a third of a 60 Hz frame), which means the human eye only gets a short “flash” of each frame. This is opposed to LCD and OLED, which hold the picture across the whole duration of the frame (“sample and hold”, which also causes motion to be more blurry in general than on a CRT).
I don’t think so. This has to do with the wiring used to control each pixel. Because it’s not feasible to wire each pixel separately, the wiring is generally a matrix (grid) of horizontal and vertical wires (rows and columns). To switch one pixel, the two wires corresponding to its row and column are activated. Conversely, this means that only a single pixel can be controlled at any given time (because if you’d activate two rows and columns at the same time, their intersections would ambiguously match four pixels). Refreshing the display thus means activating each pixel individually one after the other, line by line and column by column. This process necessarily introduces a time delay between updating the first to the last pixel.Thanks for all the explanations of all the underlying issues! Last question, are there any LCD/etc panels that don't have visible "jelly scrolling" in either vertical and horizontal direction? That is, is there any current display technology that provides a mechanism to not have this for a screen that will be used equally in landscape and portrait?