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So monitors aren't even capable of displaying the maximum range of colors a GPU can output,

There are plenty of 10-bit monitors out now. OS X does not support them.

which itself can supposedly extend beyond the full range of colors the eye can see. I'd 8 bits per color channel is more than enough.

Amount does not equal range. RGB matches human eye perception poorly.
 
Anecdotal survey results from Consumer Reports
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Please enlighten us with you analysis of the chart.

Have fun ;)

Desktop computers
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Isn't this the same iFixit that lied and broke their NDA in order to get advertising clicks, and then tried to blame their lazily-ignored and non-updated app on Apple's software and accused iOS of having bugs which broke it? Sorry, but I am forced to give them a respectability score of 1 out of 10, which means whatever trust I had in their opinion is extremely difficult to repair.
Utterly roasted :') @numlock
 
Love the iMac, hate that Apple is continuing down the road of making their products un-upgradable.

Apple products are essentially just disposable now.

As opposed to all those other organic PCs that you put in your compost or feed to your pets
 
I know, for people like you is difficult to interact with someone not coming here to say "apple sucks ... Tim Cook is greedy ... Macs have poor quality".
Dude I DONT CARE.
I'm here, since a while, and Im going to stay and to give my opinion nevertheless.
On this forum if you aren't an OCD serial complainer you automatically are a blind fanboy.
Again, I don't care.
Don't like, don't buy. This is actually THE ONLY thing to do when you facing a multinational corporation like Apple.
Tim isnt here to read a few complains by a couple of android users or vocal unsatisfied users.
He doesn't gives a crap about numlock not buying the new iMac.
But he would surely be worried about a drop in Mac sales after the introduction of the new iMacs.
So the "vote with your wallet" is the only thing to do.
But Im quite sure the new iMac are going to sell very well....
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You're funny :p Most of us here are big Apple fans if you haven't yet realised. Most people call me an apple fanboy. That doesn't mean myself and others who are big Apple fans can not be critical of what we see is Apple making choices that have little to no benefit (e.g. soldering the SSD), except for increasing product margins (Tim Cook's favourite exercise) in a way that leaves the customer (who you should care about, instead of siding with Apple) and the environment much worse off.

I'm not buying it. I hope more people don't buy it. That doesn't mean we can't voice our displeasure in this move by Apple that represents their overall move towards a future many don't like.

"But he would surely be worried about a drop in Mac sales after the introduction of the new iMacs."

Yep - Last time Apple went this way (cost cutting and making decisions similar to this) was the 1990s. Guess what happened then? Apple tanked. Luckily for them they had the pro users and prosumers, who were the only thing keeping them alive. Cost cutting and focusing only on sales numbers is bound to lead to failure, as you're no longer making the best product - Just like Windows of old.


windows didn't sell ... it was either pre-installed on every computer, included the vast majority of cheap crap computer that flooded the market in the last 30 years, or pirated .

You obviously have no clue about the PC world then. Every purchase of a Windows PC includes the purchase price of Windows. Microsoft also made plenty of money off upgrades, which also sell big. Windows of the past was pretty poor, because Microsoft did what was 'good enough' for sales - focusing only on the sales instead of making a truly good product, which they've finally started to do, meanwhile Apple is going in the opposite direction and focusing on sales numbers not the quality of the product.


It wasn't my decision.
It was Apple's decision.
You know, you choose. If I'm buying an iMac today, I'm expecting it to last 5 years at best, so I would BTO accordingly (16 Gb of RAM and 256 Gb SSD).
If I can't afford it, I would buy another computer.

Then don't stand up for it then.... simple. Thats nice for you that you bvipsuly have lots of money tp throw around. Claps of you. I for one don't and choose to use my computers for around 7 years, and it is not cost effective to BTO to predict the future. I've told you already, if I BTOed with a Retina Pro instead of my cMBP I would have paid $1500 more and I can't afford that. Am I somehow unworthy of the computer that will fit my needs, because I can't afford a ridicviosuly priced $4000 computer? Not to mention if my needs change in the future, I can put another bigger SSD in my Mac. But no, you can't stand for that as it would mean your precious Apple would miss out on $1500 from their stupidly overpriced BTO options. Where is the advantage there to the consumer in paying more to Apple? Paying $1500 more? Oh thats right, you only seem to care about Apple making money, after all of course the consumer should be left worse off by apple making cost cutting decisions.




I think it is reasonable to spend $2068 every 5 years for an iMac. And with $2068 I just configured a suitable configuration on the US Apple website.

Suitable for you maybe. Not for me. $2000 is a lot of money, I'd want it to last as long as it should.


I think 3 years are reasonable for being serviced by Apple.

Well I'm sorry but you're wrong. 3 years of service is nothing for a over $2000. Oh but thats right, you don't give a damn about the consumer :) We should defiantly all have to pay for the overpriced applecare because it will cost so much to fix our over $2000 computers if say the SSD fails, because of Apple's cost cutting moves :) That makes perfect sense! NOT!

I have no faith if not in God.
I'm not seeking for problems, so I ALWAYS extend the warranty of my purchases whenever is possible.
AppleCare is a must for hardware you are going to keep for at least 5 years.

Applecare shouldn't be a must. Plus what happens after 3 years if the SSD or RAM module fails? A $1000 logic board replacement? Is that reasonable for a 3 year old computer that you've just paid $2000 for plus whatever stupid amount of money you've paid for Applecare?


satisfaction reports are done yearly, so YES, "soldered" Mac are included.

Try reading my response properly. I said that the issues that soldered Macs will have (longevity, environmental impact, repairably) will not have started impacting yet as it was only in 2013 that you had the majority of the line move towards being soldered (when iMac, 13 & 15 inch Macbook Pro and Airs were), though that still leaves out the Mac Mini, and the further disposable/soldered nature of the latest iMac.


I don't get why you'll stand up for Apple making a decisions that has such little benefit, but so many negatives for users. If the world was full of this sort of thinking, we'd be completely screwed over by every single company, because at the end of the day, all they care about is profits, consumers are needed to keep them in check.
 
What Im writing here is not your business, but there you go, freely quoted from the Apple iMac launch thread:


add me to the list ....
I'm an huge apple supporter, but their price policy is scaring.
I have financial problems in upgrading my Mini (the iMac is way too expensive) and my iPad. Actually i don't know if I'm going to upgrade my iPhone 6 with the 6S, because a few days ago I spent 2300 € for my new MacBook Pro and my wife's iPhone 5S.
First World Problems, I know, but if Apple is going to scare loyal customers like me......
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That's the only part I really don't like ... 5400RPM on a 1800€ computer ?
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5400 rpm drive ? Absolutely agree, it is totally unacceptable .... 1 Tb Fusion should be the base model.

The really upsetting news in my opinion is the price of the Magic "line" of input devices: $40 more than acceptable.
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In every other threads regarding the iMac I stated Im not going to buy one and Im not happy about several choices.
The only difference is Im not screaming to catch likes like many of you did.

I will say that you have been critical of a 16GB base 6S. And been vocal about it.
 
Soldered RAM, Soldered CPU, Soldered SSD. On a desktop machine.

Soldergate®
more like GreedGate

13" Macbook Pro ~ with 2 year old CPU not updated for a while
iMac with Mobile CPU even though it can take desktop CPU at the base
MacMini with Mobile CPU even though it can take desktop CPU at the base
16GB iPhone with 4K camera
iPad mini 3 dropped and iPad mini 2 kept
24GB SSD on the 1TB fusion
iPhone 6 - no more Gold option with iPhone 6S launch
iPad Pro - to get LTE model it takes more than $1000
500GB SSD - $500 really?
Hefty price hikes in the international market
and the list goes on.

Up sell, up sell, up sell ... money, money, money...
 
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more like GreedGate

13" Macbook Pro ~ with 2 year old CPU not updated for a while
iMac with Mobile CPU even though it can take desktop CPU at the base
MacMini with Mobile CPU even though it can take desktop CPU at the base
16GB iPhone with 4K camera
iPad mini 3 dropped and iPad mini 2 kept
24GB SSD on the 1TB fusion
iPhone 6 - no more Gold option with iPhone 6S
and the list goes on.

Up sell, up sell, up sell ... money, money, money...

Indeed, to be honest Apple has always played this game, but to me this year seems the year Apple has made the greed way too evident, I would have never dreamed seeing 5400 and 4k in the same sentence.

You know how Google used to be the 'cool' do-no-evil company about a decade ago? Look at Google these days, the cool image is gone, they are the evil data-hungry company now.

Apple's image in my view is suffering a downturn with the 16gb iPhone which is Apple's flagship product, and to a lesser extent this iMac as well as all the other stuff as listed here. Apple as a greedy company is more visible in my mind, and as I discuss this with family/friends they tend to concur. It's a shame.
 
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Oh, I know Apple does. They're definitely not just giving away the OS.

I think they, osx and windows, are pretty close now. Up until el cap I would have given the edge to windows. Before el cap I was considering removing osx and installing windows, I'm going to stick with it for now. I predict the next version will be a buggy mess again though, every other version.
 
I'll be honest, with Apple's 21.5" 4K iMac, I pretty much snapped completely. Soldered RAM, no SSD socket, 5400RPM drive, 24GB SSD in the FD, outdated CPU, all of that for the same price as usual. COME ON APPLE. Snap out of your greed already. I almost want to build a Hackintosh or just buy used Apple products until they become obsolete because of Apple's incredibly stupid practices. They're just being greedy, and eventually they just risk of losing the enthusiast customers, or in other words 90% of Mac users. Good luck with that Apple. Post-Jobs Mac crime #2! (after the Mac Mini) :)
 
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Indeed, to be honest Apple has always played this game, but to me this year seems the year Apple has made the greed way too evident, I would have never dreamed seeing 5400 and 4k in the same sentence.

You know how Google used to be the 'cool' do-no-evil company about a decade ago? Look at Google these days, the cool image is gone, they are the evil data-hungry company now.

Apple's image in my view is suffering a downturn with the 16gb iPhone which is Apple's flagship product, and to a lesser extent this iMac as well as all the other stuff as listed here. Apple as a greedy company is more visible in my mind, and as I discuss this with family/friends they tend to concur. It's a shame.
Lets see how the market reacts to it. In the US gas prices seem to stay low until the next president take over, and the immediate purchasing spree with black Friday and the Christmas holidays around the corner they will surely sell plenty of them or will the consumers think twice about it?
I guess the new Apple TV may sell better?
IPad Pro...who will spend all that money when there are plenty of old iPad models still around?
 
iFixit always spends their own money for the teardown machines. It's no big deal when you consider they're also practiced at putting them back together. That ATV incident was a one-off, where they "bought" (at a steep developer discount) a unit instead of waiting for the retail version, to get the jump on their competition. And, yes, that was arsehattery on the part of the iFixit team and an overreaction on Apple's part.
I don't get what Apple did - the AppleTV is seriously a dumb-box which is about as sophisticated as an iPod touch. The software is what had any sort of "secrets" inside it. I could see Apple going after hackers who tear into the OS code, but not people just opening up the silly thing to see the components.
 
I don't get what Apple did - the AppleTV is seriously a dumb-box which is about as sophisticated as an iPod touch. The software is what had any sort of "secrets" inside it. I could see Apple going after hackers who tear into the OS code, but not people just opening up the silly thing to see the components.
It's not a question of what they did, the important part is that they broke an agreement. Thus, Apple punished them by banning them. I think it's pretty fair to be honest. They could have gone worse and actually blackmailed them or even sued them.
 
Not sure what world you live in but an iMac with a crap CPU and an SSD would be nothing like an iPad. I mean they could put in a core 2 duo and an SSD and it would still have a keyboard, a mouse, USB ports, open to software other than from the app store, able to manage files, not touch...so basically nothing like an iPad and more like an old iMac that actually feels faster than a new one simply because it has an SSD
Then it sounds like you'll be fine on an older second-hand Mac.

Er, excuse me. Tim said that those processors were desktop class.
A processor which can compete against a desktop processor is nice, so why can't they make an OS worthy of competing against a desktop OS?
 
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I think they, osx and windows, are pretty close now. Up until el cap I would have given the edge to windows. Before el cap I was considering removing osx and installing windows, I'm going to stick with it for now. I predict the next version will be a buggy mess again though, every other version.

Really, close, huh! Are we actually using the same OS... And yes, I do use windows 10 (forced too....), just like I've used every version of windows since 3.0.
 
Really, close, huh! Are we actually using the same OS... And yes, I do use windows 10 (forced too....), just like I've used every version of windows since 3.0.

Yes. Guess you missed, or ignored, the thread about windows being faster than osx. Running boot camp 10 is faster on spinner than osx on ssd. Only with el cap sid my kernal panics and apps force closing go away. I won'tbe upgrading my computer for a couple of years or so but when I do this imac refresh has sealed my decision to go to windows. If the next osx is as bad as yosemite, which is likely, I will go to windows on this anyway but then my decisions are based on use and not brand worship.

I started on dos and have used every version of windows. With 3.0 started building "clones" to monitor security systems. Built tons through the years to sell), so don't bother jumping on the high horse. Doing a clean install on a clean build (my build) the only version I really had a problem with was 98. Se fixed it and it should have been free, but 98 was the worst.

I like osx but apple is more worried abour profit margins than quality.
 
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Then it sounds like you'll be fine on an older second-hand Mac.

I have a 2010 imac and a 2010 mac mini that I am clinging onto for dear life. The mac mini was the last one before they took out the superdrive for no reason and the iMac I wish I had a thick one that had USB 3 but this one does ok. The mac mini even with a core 2 duo flies with an SSD compared to the iMac with a hard disk and an i3 which is an absolute slug. I might put an SSD in that one one day but its mostly my kids and wife that use it so I don't really care as much
 
I have a 2010 imac and a 2010 mac mini that I am clinging onto for dear life. The mac mini was the last one before they took out the superdrive for no reason and the iMac I wish I had a thick one that had USB 3 but this one does ok. The mac mini even with a core 2 duo flies with an SSD compared to the iMac with a hard disk and an i3 which is an absolute slug. I might put an SSD in that one one day but its mostly my kids and wife that use it so I don't really care as much

The ssd will make the difference, osx is pretty much unusable on a spinner. Why they are still putting them out is beyond me.
 
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The ssd will make the difference, osx is pretty much unusable on a spinner. Why they are still putting them out is beyond me.

I said the same thing on here - Windows on a mechanical HDD is somewhat useable, but OSX is a disaster - especially on the 5400RPM drives.
 
I said the same thing on here - Windows on a mechanical HDD is somewhat useable, but OSX is a disaster - especially on the 5400RPM drives.

Boot camping windows on a spinner with osx on an ssd windows is stii faster. The wife and son both have windows on spinners and they are faster than mine on ssd. Apple needs to wake up, or better yet I do.
 
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