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Isn't this the same iFixit that lied and broke their NDA in order to get advertising clicks, and then tried to blame their lazily-ignored and non-updated app on Apple's software and accused iOS of having bugs which broke it? Sorry, but I am forced to give them a respectability score of 1 out of 10, which means whatever trust I had in their opinion is extremely difficult to repair.

What's the point?
First, they said that they didn't care about their app because it was ridded with bugs caused by iOS 9, which may be true because sometimes updates break some apps that then need an update...
If you disregard their teardowns because your little  fanboy hear was teared by them breaking the NDA, I have nothing more to say ;)
You look like the Lady Gaga fans who are angry and threaten people who leak her songs:D
 
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windows didn't sell ... it was either pre-installed on every computer, included the vast majority of cheap crap computer that flooded the market in the last 30 years, or pirated.

And when you buy one of those cheap crap computers, you've been buying Windows alongside it, since the license is included in the price.

So yeah, Windows sells.
 
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You either are a very unlucky guy, or there is a problem in the way you treat your devices.
I owned all the devices you listed here, and many many more, and in my 27 years as an Apple customer I only have an issue with:
iPod Nano 1st Gen (DoA, replaced by Apple)
Time Capsule (died and replaced OUT OF WARRANTY by Apple for free)
iPhone 4 (Home button not working after 14 months, replaced with a 4 months old refurbished under AppleCare)

I stand my position: Apple Quality is the best
I will try one more time.

Have you read my reference to the broken spring?

How is it my fault to install a new version of iTunes and the it renders my iPod unusable? What was the mistreatment I did?

All other issues are well known and documented over the Internet. I will post some references as I have time.

By your responses I guess you work selling or installing Apple products and feel threatened with "bad publicity" online.

All my references in this thread about Apple products with quality issues are real facts.

It's your determination to ignore them and I'm fine with it.

I bet there will be an instance in the near future when we will see one post from you asking for help on how to fix or get references to fix one quality issue you may be experiencing, hopefully it doesn't happen because is not nice that anyone should experience the sour apples, but they do exist and some times they come with a surprise worm.

Dear @Max(IT) how do you call this?
https://www.macrumors.com/2015/10/17/apple-mbp-ar-coating-quality-program-staingate/
 
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Love the iMac, hate that Apple is continuing down the road of making their products un-upgradable.

Apple products are essentially just disposable now.

Well I never known Apple to offer aftermarket upgradability to their products. sans PowerMac and Mac Pro
a few updates over the years for iMac and macBook Pro for RAM and sometimes HDD but really nothing else.
 
Well I never known Apple to offer aftermarket upgradability to their products. sans PowerMac and Mac Pro
a few updates over the years for iMac and macBook Pro for RAM and sometimes HDD but really nothing else.


Except now they are almost impossible to open up in order to repair or upgrade components at all. And clearly that the hard drive interface has been removed indicates that Apple wants to eliminate upgrading internal storage.
 
windows didn't sell ... it was either pre-installed on every computer, included the vast majority of cheap crap computer that flooded the market in the last 30 years, or pirated .

Are you serious ? That has to be one of the most dumb founded comments I have read on mac rumours .

How exactly did you think Microsoft make thier money?? They are in the business of selling software.

Seriously am I missing something here? Every machine that came with Windows had a liscenced and bought copy of Windows.....

Please provide proof where Windows has not been the number one OS you can buy each year.



Having had debates with him in the past about these "gates" they don't exist according to him and isolated to forums such as this.

I had a long debate about the iPhone 4 Antennagate.
 
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Except now they are almost impossible to open up in order to repair or upgrade components at all. And clearly that the hard drive interface has been removed indicates that Apple wants to eliminate upgrading internal storage.
Well they give you the option to get what you need when you order it,theres always external or cloud storage options as well. and there is the PC market too.
 
Too difficult to service. :/ over the life of my current iMac I've had to clean the screen out twice and replace one of the fans.

Admittedly Apple replaced my entire screen years outside of warranty (Their suggestion, they comply with European fit-for-purpose laws in ways I've never seen before. 3 years even without AppleCare if it's a design flaw and no fault of the owner.) - and since they did that the "stuff accumulating inside the screen" issues have stopped.. I just wouldn't trust the new machines though based on my past experience, which is saddening. None of the other macs fit my needs that well.

Holding out for a cheaper Mac Pro or a more powerful Mac mini now. :(
 
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Isn't this the same iFixit that lied and broke their NDA in order to get advertising clicks, and then tried to blame their lazily-ignored and non-updated app on Apple's software and accused iOS of having bugs which broke it? Sorry, but I am forced to give them a respectability score of 1 out of 10, which means whatever trust I had in their opinion is extremely difficult to repair.
Nice response! You totally burned them!
 
Wow never seen such a compilation of BS in the same post.
Unrepairable? Who said that ? Apple can repair EVERY SINGLE PRODUCT they sell. It is difficult for USERS or third party unauthorized to do it.
All the other things about apple being bad and evil just made me laugh and I don't even take time to comment.
But ..... Tim Cook oversaw what ? Dude reality check: most of the electronic products are made in China.
And you surely have plenty of evidence about Apple bribe congressman....

Your confusing "repair" with "replace" . The concept of repairing is fixing the faulty component . When everything is soldered onto the MB, you don't even diagnose the issue, you replace the whole guts.

Is it okay for some of us that have the technical skills and are used to fixing our computers to have an opinion about this.

We would all get along so much better if we did not force our opinions on others. Listen. Debate . Do not lecture .
 
I will try one more time.

Have you read my reference to the broken spring?

How is it my fault to install a new version of iTunes and the it renders my iPod unusable? What was the mistreatment I did?

All other issues are well known and documented over the Internet. I will post some references as I have time.

By your responses I guess you work selling or installing Apple products and feel threatened with "bad publicity" online.

All my references in this thread about Apple products with quality issues are real facts.

It's your determination to ignore them and I'm fine with it.

I bet there will be an instance in the near future when we will see one post from you asking for help on how to fix or get references to fix one quality issue you may be experiencing, hopefully it doesn't happen because is not nice that anyone should experience the sour apples, but they do exist and some times they come with a surprise worm.

Dear @Max(IT) how do you call this?
https://www.macrumors.com/2015/10/17/apple-mbp-ar-coating-quality-program-staingate/

You got a lemon, that's it.
It' not "Apple quality" in discussion, but the unit you bought.
You'll be amazed, but when you sell millions of unit, some thousands, yes thousands, are defective. It is normal.

How do I call that ? Good after sale behavior. They discovered some units have a manufacturing defect and they are servicing those units.
One of the good reasons I love Apple's products.
I remember what happened with my 1st gen Time Capsule. They serviced it out of warranty without a question, because they knew it was a defective product.

Your confusing "repair" with "replace" . The concept of repairing is fixing the faulty component . When everything is soldered onto the MB, you don't even diagnose the issue, you replace the whole guts.

Is it okay for some of us that have the technical skills and are used to fixing our computers to have an opinion about this.

We would all get along so much better if we did not force our opinions on others. Listen. Debate . Do not lecture .
What I'm finding very amusing is that I'm not defending Apple's choices in any way.
Since my first post after the new iMac presentation, my point is:
- i don't like a 5400RPM spinner in a Mac;
- i don't like the lack of dGPU option in the 21.5";
- I don't like the price policy.

I said "I'm not going to buy one".

But the point here is always the same: if you don't come here whining, crying and screaming at Apple, you are a blind fanboy.

Are you serious ? That has to be one of the most dumb founded comments I have read on mac rumours .

How exactly did you think Microsoft make thier money?? They are in the business of selling software.

Seriously am I missing something here? Every machine that came with Windows had a liscenced and bought copy of Windows.....

Please provide proof where Windows has not been the number one OS you can buy each year.

I was speaking about the retail version of Windows....
 
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You got a lemon, that's it.
It' not "Apple quality" in discussion, but the unit you bought.
You'll be amazed, but when you sell millions of unit, some thousands, yes thousands, are defective. It is normal.

How do I call that ? Good after sale behavior. They discovered some units have a manufacturing defect and they are servicing those units.
One of the good reasons I love Apple's products.
I remember what happened with my 1st gen Time Capsule. They serviced it out of warranty without a question, because they knew it was a defective product.
It's funny how you are trying to dismiss all my references with your own perception.
That is not good after sale behavior. It took them many months/years to acknowledge it. Its a given and expected service and the minimum they can do to compensate for all the losses a customer that paid them went through. It's simply poor manufacturing or design quality.
A great quality company don't produce that level of defects.
Apple doesn't care much as they simple charge back all the costs to the Chinese OEMs putting their parts together.
It still amazes me how blind certain Apple fans are.
 
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And when you buy one of those cheap crap computers, you've been buying Windows alongside it, since the license is included in the price.

So yeah, Windows sells.

It's the same with mac, buy the computer and you buy the os. I hope you don't believe apple doesn't figure in os in the price. I guess windows does sell and about 800% better.
 
I know, for people like you is difficult to interact with someone not coming here to say "apple sucks ... Tim Cook is greedy ... Macs have poor quality".
Dude I DONT CARE.
I'm here, since a while, and Im going to stay and to give my opinion nevertheless.
On this forum if you aren't an OCD serial complainer you automatically are a blind fanboy.
Again, I don't care.
Don't like, don't buy. This is actually THE ONLY thing to do when you facing a multinational corporation like Apple.
Tim isnt here to read a few complains by a couple of android users or vocal unsatisfied users.
He doesn't gives a crap about numlock not buying the new iMac.
But he would surely be worried about a drop in Mac sales after the introduction of the new iMacs.
So the "vote with your wallet" is the only thing to do.
But Im quite sure the new iMac are going to sell very well....

seriously this is your reply? are you feeling unwell or something?

however i am going to go through some of your points. i havent actually seen any of those 3 lines you mention in your first sentence in this thread. the tim cook is greedy might be implied here and there but who can seriously argue against that?

this isnt a "should i buy the new imac" thread which seems to be confusing you. this is a thread about how the machine is designed and assembled and the implications that it has on the end user, the environment and independent businesses out there. that dosent seem to interest you that much and you dont bring in any counterpoints to show this change is a good one.

yeah the imacs will probably sell fine. however it will mostly be bought by uninformed buyers.

But the point here is always the same: if you don't come here whining, crying and screaming at Apple, you are a blind fanboy.

two part question here.
  • have you ever made a post where you didnt go all out to defend apple?
  • have you ever made a post where you voiced your displeasure with one of apples decisions?
 
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The new display is DCI-P3, which features a wider color gamut than the more standard sRGB. The new iMac is one of the few devices that allows consumers to experience the new display technology.

This may be a stupid question, but why is Apple putting in a high-color-gamut display in while still limiting OS X to 8 bits per component?
 
It's the same with mac, buy the computer and you buy the os. I hope you don't believe apple doesn't figure in os in the price. I guess windows does sell and about 800% better.

Oh, I know Apple does. They're definitely not just giving away the OS.

This may be a stupid question, but why is Apple putting in a high-color-gamut display in while still limiting OS X to 8 bits per component?

Probably because 24 bit color can theoretically produce 16,777,216 colors, which is roughly 15 million more than the average human eye can discern.

The only time you ever see anyone going higher than 8-bit per color channel is for very specialized fields that need more than 256 shades of red, green, blue, or grey.
 
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Isn't this the same iFixit that lied and broke their NDA in order to get advertising clicks, and then tried to blame their lazily-ignored and non-updated app on Apple's software and accused iOS of having bugs which broke it? Sorry, but I am forced to give them a respectability score of 1 out of 10, which means whatever trust I had in their opinion is extremely difficult to repair.
Utterly roasted :')
 
two part question here.
  • have you ever made a post where you didnt go all out to defend apple?
  • have you ever made a post where you voiced your displeasure with one of apples decisions?
What Im writing here is not your business, but there you go, freely quoted from the Apple iMac launch thread:


add me to the list ....
I'm an huge apple supporter, but their price policy is scaring.
I have financial problems in upgrading my Mini (the iMac is way too expensive) and my iPad. Actually i don't know if I'm going to upgrade my iPhone 6 with the 6S, because a few days ago I spent 2300 € for my new MacBook Pro and my wife's iPhone 5S.
First World Problems, I know, but if Apple is going to scare loyal customers like me......
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That's the only part I really don't like ... 5400RPM on a 1800€ computer ?
...
5400 rpm drive ? Absolutely agree, it is totally unacceptable .... 1 Tb Fusion should be the base model.

The really upsetting news in my opinion is the price of the Magic "line" of input devices: $40 more than acceptable.
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In every other threads regarding the iMac I stated Im not going to buy one and Im not happy about several choices.
The only difference is Im not screaming to catch likes like many of you did.

It's funny how you are trying to dismiss all my references with your own perception.
That is not good after sale behavior. It took them many months/years to acknowledge it. Its a given and expected service and the minimum they can do to compensate for all the losses a customer that paid them went through. It's simply poor manufacturing or design quality.
A great quality company don't produce that level of defects.
Apple doesn't care much as they simple charge back all the costs to the Chinese OEMs putting their parts together.
It still amazes me how blind certain Apple fans are.
Are you really so naive to think a company like Apple, selling millions of MacBooks all over the world, can react to a production defect IN DAYS OR WEEKS ???
Oh my ....
Yes, it takes months. They have to collect data, examine production and then establish a procedure.

Apple is a great quality company, no matter how bad your experience was.
It's just anecdotal evidence.
Survey about customer satisfaction, year after year, are saying a totally different thing.
 
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What Im writing here is not your business, but there you go, freely quoted from the Apple iMac launch thread:


add me to the list ....
I'm an huge apple supporter, but their price policy is scaring.
I have financial problems in upgrading my Mini (the iMac is way too expensive) and my iPad. Actually i don't know if I'm going to upgrade my iPhone 6 with the 6S, because a few days ago I spent 2300 € for my new MacBook Pro and my wife's iPhone 5S.
First World Problems, I know, but if Apple is going to scare loyal customers like me......
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That's the only part I really don't like ... 5400RPM on a 1800€ computer ?
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5400 rpm drive ? Absolutely agree, it is totally unacceptable .... 1 Tb Fusion should be the base model.

The really upsetting news in my opinion is the price of the Magic "line" of input devices: $40 more than acceptable.
...

In every other threads regarding the iMac I stated Im not going to buy one and Im not happy about several choices.
The only difference is Im not screaming to catch likes like many of you did.

this is a public forum and not a private one btw.

would have been nice to have those linked but anyway. so if you can voice your displeasure in a general thread what is with the objection to people voicing their displeasure in a thread about a very specific (delicate) subject?

you think i am screaming to catch likes on here?
 
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This is great motivation for people to assemble their own iMacs with easily upgradeable/replaceable parts. I know that my macbook pro dying and forcing me to load osx on non apple hardware was a blessing.
 

When it comes to the human eye, no it's not. But the digital representation of colors is pretty well defined.

24-bits can output around 16 million colors, like I said, but the sRGB and Adobe spectrums that monitors are standardized around don't even come close to displaying the full range of colors the human eye can perceive. They focused more towards the bolder center of the spectrum, those colors most commonly seen in nature.

So monitors aren't even capable of displaying the maximum range of colors a GPU can output, which itself can supposedly extend beyond the full range of colors the eye can see. I'd say 8 bits per color channel is more than enough.
 
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Are you really so naive to think a company like Apple, selling millions of MacBooks all over the world, can react to a production defect IN DAYS OR WEEKS ???
Oh my ....
Yes, it takes months. They have to collect data, examine production and then establish a procedure.

Apple is a great quality company, no matter how bad your experience was.
It's just anecdotal evidence.
Survey about customer satisfaction, year after year, are saying a totally different thing.

:rolleyes:

Common...


Left me give you another set of "anecdotes":

Companies that are great with problem solving methodologies can find the root cause in hours, days, a few weeks, a couple months. We are talking here about solving a manufacturing quality spill, not finding the cure for Cancer. It takes Apple for certain issues years to first acknowledge the issue, as well as to implement a preventive action.

That they have great policies to replace the broken device with another one is another story, when in reality they do a really poor job executing their problem solving process. And there is no guarantee that the problem will not happen again to the same customer as what they typically give you is a replacement device containing the same design flaw or coming from the same manufacturing process that has their share of variation.

I see that you are in Italy, and there is no way you had received the first shipments of Apple products when there is new product launch, most of them come to the US first, and in Europe probably to other countries to before they get to Italy, so I give you that that you may receive different batches of production therefore you experience a lower probability to get products from the production mess that Apple OEMs go thru when launching new products.

Additionally design problems should be caught during product development and validation testing at the latest, not by the early adopter loyal customers.

Please check back my previous posts, don't even bother reading my comments again, as I am sure you read them pretty well, but as you had demonstrated refuse to acknowledge reality, go to Apple's own support website and do a search about how many 'anecdotal' cases are out there.

Apple is great quality company, I give you that, but to me it means that they provide great return on the investment to the shareholders, there is no doubt about it. You are confusing the quality of the product and the manufacturing process used to engineer, design, develop, launch and improve them with the company image, the perception of customers that came to Apple just a few years ago and their economical performance plus some surveys that reflect on how well the treat their customers when they face a difficulty (which is better than any other consumer electronics company out there).

I'm finding more annoying than the actual Apple product's quality issues the fact that there are plenty of customers that have so low quality standards and refuse to accept the reality, Apple's manufacturing quality is subpar and they have a solid record of being mediocre at actually resolving the root cause of the problems.

Robust products work well always, they withstand regular use and abuse.

Please go to your nearest Apple Store and try to get an appointment at the Genius Bar while you are there, count how many customers are actually waiting vs those that are actually buying.
 
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