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Only 1mm of travel. Why is Apple making the typing experience worse for it's desktop macs? I understand they needed to keep the MacBook thin but 1mm on a desktop keyboard!
 
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The article said: "Magic Keyboard earned a low repairability score of 3 out of 10." That's it, I'm not buying the Magic Keyboard. I open up and fix keyboards all the time. How could Apple do this?!?!

iFixit is hilarious :rolleyes:
 
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Speaking of expensive accessories, did anyone notice that you have to pay extra for the trackpad now??
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Did you also notice that the price for the trackpad also went up it's now $129, so you have to pay more if you want it.
 
Aside from novelty, the iFixit website is getting tiresome. Nobody buys these things thinking they are a long term investment and will get decades of use out of them. Also LiIon batteries do not have the problems of old NiMH batteries so the chances are that you will burn through the life of a LiIon battery and want to change it is minimal.

Also Apple should just offer free replacements if these things break down, which I would assume is an odd and infrequent reality. I mean the price Apple charges for their products, you should get at least 2 free replacements and Apple still makes a huge profit.

There is nothing more meaningless then someone who has a career tearing down a keyboard and giving it a repairability rating.

Eh, no but Apple devices aren't indestructable and faultless. They break too and it's good to know how much it'd cost or how much time it'd take to repair things. If I'm spending Apple-amounts of money on things I expect longevity (and most of the time I get that).

It's like just 2 years after buying my iMac I wanted to put a bigger HDD into it, rather than scrap a whole machine and replace it with a full one I asked Apple if they offered a service. They didn't so I read through a guide on the iFixit site and put a HDD in myself. That machine is now 4 years old and works like a charm.

Very glad iFixit and similar sites exist. Why waste money? I know some Apple fans would rather everyone around the world would just buy new models each year ;)
 
I'm probably the only one thinking this here. I think the move to internal battery is a step back. I have many spare Eneloops pre-charged ready to go. Takes me seconds to replace them when they run low. When the internal batteries wear out on these things, they're basically ready for the trash can. I suppose Apple will sell more of these things couple years down the line when the batteries wear out.

I haven't noticed much mention of the Logitech MX Master mouse here. Check it out before you plunk down the same $100 for the Apple mouse. All the gestures that can be done with the trackpad can be done on this mouse. Yes the battery is internal, but at least the charging port is on the front ;)
 
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I've never had issues getting accessories replaced as long as I mention one of the 3 active AC contracts I have.

Agreed. I've gotten several lightning cables replaced with no problems since I have AC contracts. Also got the power cords and brick replaced for my rMBP.
 
the chances are that you will burn through the life of a LiIon battery and want to change it is minimal.

I was just thinking about this...

Even after enough time has passed that the battery is at a QUARTER of its factory capacity, the keyboard, mouse and trackpad will still be quite usable. Their battery life is so long that you can lose a lot before the reduction in life becomes an actual problem.

I for one like old mechanical keyboards and the magic mouse doesn't fit well in my hand so I won't be using these. But for those who like them, I doubt the battery life will be an issue for a product lifetime of many, many years.
 
Speaking of expensive accessories, did anyone notice that you have to pay extra for the trackpad now??
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So you can order the Mac with a free Magic Mouse 2 and order a Magic Trackpad 2 separately for $129....or you can order the Mac with both a Magic Mouse 2 and Magic track Pad 2 for an extra $169.....the accountants must have stayed up all night to figure out that pricing.
 
Aside from novelty, the iFixit website is getting tiresome. Nobody buys these things thinking they are a long term investment and will get decades of use out of them. Also LiIon batteries do not have the problems of old NiMH batteries so the chances are that you will burn through the life of a LiIon battery and want to change it is minimal.
Yep, accessories are basically throwaway items, but in my long experience except for the very cheap ones they do last a long time. I'm typing this on a white plastic Apple keyboard from 2004, and right next to it on a PC is a Northgate Omnikey keyboard from 1989. The only real disasters I've owned have been the "Mighty" Mouse and cheap mice designed for notebooks (small, about $15-$20, and break quickly).

Admittedly, with a LiIon battery, I wouldn't expect 26 or even 11 years of life.
 
Amazing to think that these devices have more CPU power than many early Macintosh Computers themselves!

And as they say in the movie Hackers, RISC is good ;) .

I was commenting on this!

ST Microelectronics STM32F103VB 72 MHz 32-bit RISC ARM Cortex-M3

I would kill for a CPU like this on my 1st computer! All I had was an old 286!
 
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I agree the Lightning cable is placed inconveniently -- the only justification I can think of is at least it has 2-minute fast charging for 9 hours of usage.

Dude, you can get a 9 hour charge in a couple minutes. Go get some coffee and come back. Then use your charged mouse. Then set up to charge before sleeping.

Say what you want about the price, but this isn't as much of a burden as people are making it out to be.

Yes. If you ignore several days of "low battery" warnings, you will sit down and wait for two minutes while you build up enough charge to last eight or nine hours. Then you'll plug it in overnight to get a full month's use, and you'll promise yourself not to run it down to zero again in the future.

You don't actually have to sit down for those two minutes. For at least one of them, you can stand up and walk around so your Apple doesn't nag you about not reaching your goal of standing up for a minute at least once an hour.

The mouse's charge lasts a month. Plug it in one night before bed. If you forget to do that you can get 8-9 hours use after two minutes of charging. Plug it in a take a potty break.

You plug it in for 2 minutes for over 9 hours of battery life sooooo..... take a pee and you're good for more than a days worth of work?

You get nine hours battery use on a two minute charge and one month on a 2 hour charge. You don't have two minutes in a day or two hours in a month to charge this thing? Plus OS X gives ample warning when the battery is running low. To me this is a non-issue but some people just can't seem to survive if they don't have something to complain about.


The justification is Apple is saying you don't need to (and we don't want you to) use this while it is charging. And considering it gets nine hours on a two minute charge and one month on a two hour charge it seems like a non-issue.

Unlike the iPhone batteries, the battery for the mouse last a good month or so, so if you haven't had a chance to charge it that's on you. I also don't agree where they placed it, but like others said, charge it over night.

You can't think of anything to do for the few minutes it would take to get a significant charge? I think you are turning a nothing issue into a dire tragedy for yourself. Please don't think about a class action lawsuit.

But, wait, does one full charge last a few months? Oh, and can the mouse get nine hours of use from two minutes of charging? These points haven't quite been addressed yet… :p
 
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Thoughts: Location for charging the mouse is just a disaster, what are you going to do once the battery runs out? Sit down and wait? They should've opted for wireless charging with a mousepad hub having the lighting cable instead.

Yes, when the battery dies, you'll have to plug it in, go get a cup of coffee, come back, and it will work for the rest of the day.

Providing you didn't see the battery life at like 10% the previous day and charge it overnight.

But yes, I agree, the port should have been out the back to allow use of the mouse while charging, just like the keyboard or trackpad allow. But it's not a deal breaker, just a VERY annoying thing.
 
Old mouse has 2 AA slot which is 3800mah of battery capacity and also gets a month so it appears the current consumption of this unit is half of what the old one was. I just wish they put a double sized battery in there anyway (it obviously fits) and give me a few months of runtime between charges. Not sure why they are being stingy with power all the time. There is certainly room for it and the difference in cost of goods is at most $2. They really need to make these Bluetooth 4 to give them all year battery life.

ah i see it is 3.67v so even higher output then AA, my bad.

AA batteries are typically 500mAh each... that number you see in the box, is for the whole pack!

2AA ~= 1000mAh, when new
 
But, wait, does one charge last a few months? And can the mouse get nine hours of use from two minutes of charging? It's not quite clear… :p
A full charge takes about two hours, but if you need a bit of power to get you through the day, you can charge it for less.

It's bit like plugging in at the airport so you can have enough juice to call home before your flight. You don't have to miss your flight just because it's not up to 100%.
 
Aside from novelty, the iFixit website is getting tiresome. Nobody buys these things thinking they are a long term investment and will get decades of use out of them.

Decades, no, of course not. But I'm still using my aluminum Apple Keyboard from 2007 and my Magic Trackpad from 2010, so yeah, I do tend to keep them for a long time because when you find a keyboard and mouse/trackpad that feels right you stick with it. If I'm going to pay $129 for a new trackpad I'd like to know it's going to last me at least 5 years without diminished charging periods. My current Magic Trackpad goes about 2 months between batteries. Yes, they are throwaways but its consistent throughout the 5 years of ownership. Will that be true of the Magic Trackpad 2?

Everyone is saying "finally they got rid of the roll at the back of the trackpad!" I don't really understand that complaint as I fail to see how it's a nuisance. I like the idea of a rechargeable but there should be a way to replace the battery as I'm pretty sure it won't have the same charging power 3 years from now.
 
A full charge takes about two hours, but if you need a bit of power to get you through the day, you can charge it for less.

It's bit like plugging in at the airport so you can have enough juice to call home before your flight. You don't have to miss your flight just because it's not up to 100%.
It was a joke; eight people said the same thing and I feigned confusion as though they just hadn't driven the nail in far enough.
 
I thought the Magic Trackpad 2 requires a Mac supporting Bluetooth 4.0 and yet it only has the same Bluetooth 3.0 chip as the other Magic devices?

You can check out the Bluetooth capabilities of all the macs here: http://www.everymac.com/systems/by_...uetooth-different-bluetooth-capabilities.html

I'd assume that while the magic mouse and keyboard are backwards-compatible with Bluetooth 2.1+EDR, the trackpad might need that extra data rate of the Bluetooth 3.0 spec to support force touch. Since Apple never released any Bluetooth 3.0-only macs, the only macs that support Bluetooth 3.0 are the macs that support Bluetooth 4.0 and later. They can just put Bluetooth 4.0 on their requirements list and call it a day.
 
That's a very confusing name for the Broadcom chip with "3.0" in the name for a device (like the Magic Trackpad) that is Bluetooth 4.0 exclusively.

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They're actually Bluetooth 3.0 devices. It's Apple who states they're only for Bluetooth 4.0 devices.
 
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