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iFixit Tears Down Magic Keyboard, Magic Mouse 2 and Magic Trackpad 2
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Force Touch on a Logitech MX Product would be awesome! But what I have learned about tech over the past couple decades is by the time you wait for something you really want to be "better" you have lost all the time using the thing that is already here. For some people that works, for me I would rather be using the Force Touch today and then IF Logitech builds that into the MX product line, I will purchase that down the road and be even happier because I get Force Touch and the cool MX product line! But obviously you have to be able to afford to do that, either by having the money or by selling your previous product to help fund the new one. So that might not work for everyone. I don't throw money around, but I consider getting to use the tech TODAY worth the financial investment, especially since we are not talking about thousands of $, just a hundred or two on accessories to a very expensive tool/toy.
Ergonomics....tough one!
One man's junk is another man's treasure, right? I myself, don't have ergonomic issues with mice, I am probably one of the lucky ones. But I know that can be a huge consideration!For me, I am going with the new trackpad. I get all the gestures I would need, plus Force Touch. Plus in creative apps I get some neat features. I won't miss the buttons on the MX series because if I run out of OS X options for gestures, I can download one of many apps in the app store and program my own custom gestures to accomplish more than what I could on the MX series. Meanwhile I will wait for the MX Master 2 with Force Touch support and then run both. Trackpad for when I need more "hands on" control in my creative apps and the MX when I am doing more common tasks. Funny how Force Touch just came out and now I can't image not having it. It is like a keyboard short-cutter's dream!
(or at least this keyboard short-cutter!)
Yep. 40 year life! But I expect there are other factors involved rather than just recharge cycles.
Well I would say 3 years is a bit of a stretch. If they can take the same amount of cycles as an iPhone battery (300ish to 80% they say) and they are recharged once a month that is 25 years to 300 cycles!!! I think the bigger travesty is the white top of the trackpad. That thing will look pretty grimy after a few months if MacBook keys are any indicator.
Agreed, wireless charging would have been great or at least locate the charging port out the back so it can be used like a wired mouse while charging. I do wonder how reliable that 2min for 9 hours is?
But for me it doesn't matter, bought a magic mouse and while it was good I much prefer the track pad for my iMac, used nothing but the track pad for almost 3 years now and won't go back to a mouse again.
Would love the new one but I agree the cost is a bit much to have a bit more space and charging port.
Yeah I got that part re. score, but then, some hardcore, very competent geeks (me) might actually repair vs buy new, if the repair time didn't outweight the cost of a new one. Why not, if you're saving £80-100 it is worth an hour or two
- if one has the pre-requisite repair skills, one would be an idiot NOT to at least TRY.Also, if iFixit never took these apart, you'd be waiting an indeterminate amount of time for some half-cocked amateurish random YouTube video with jerky hand-held video and fuzzy, muffled audio to show you what's inside.
After seeing the internals of these new devices, they are massively overpriced. All that room for battery and 3 quarters of it is collecting dust. At least make the battery in the keyboard half its size. Hell use a larger batter and add backlighting which can be enabled or disabled like a MBP. The dumping of the AA options is really stupid, as when the device dies you just replaced the batteries, no cable required, no need to refer to your computer to find out your mouse status or keyboard status plus they had an LED so it was nice and easy.
So we've gone from the Magic Mouse which worked on AA batteries and required no cables and had a power LED to a Magic Mouse 2 which now only charges via a cable and no power LED - this is not going forwards. The Power LED is handy because you could tell battery life just by flicking a switch - no computer required. If it did not light up, the battery's were dead - see how simple it is - no need to plug it into anything. Hell they could have simply left the AA battery option with the cable option as well - best of both worlds. Now with no indicator if the internal battery fails you have no other method to verify power is going to the mouse - amazingly brilliant design - not.
Another important factor about the mouse is Apple don't say what optical engine it uses - all kept hush hush as the original would not work on certain surfaces with a patter. See Apple like to withhold information.
As for the keyboard with the 1mm movement, this is also stupid. As a touch typer less key travel means not being able to type as efficiently, as it reduces how tactile a key press is which also affects your speed. Its like typing on concrete. Another fine example of form over function. Whereas the previous aluminium keyboards including the version with the number pad were fine, and the previous wireless one. I guaranteed Apple have not fixed the issue of the keys on the keyboard starting to "shine" (literally) due to their poor quality plastic. This means a keyboard protector has to be used constantly to prevent this. Again going backwards.
As a few people have mentioned, all these new devices have Bluetooth 3 chips, not Bluetooth 4. So new hardware with and older BT controller - does anyone else see the pattern nm here?
So we've gone from the Magic Mouse which worked on AA batteries and required no cables and had a power LED to a Magic Mouse 2 which now only charges via a cable and no power LED - this is not going forwards. The Power LED is handy because you could tell battery life just by flicking a switch - no computer required. If it did not light up, the battery's were dead - see how simple it is - no need to plug it into anything. Hell they could have simply left the AA battery option with the cable option as well - best of both worlds. Now with no indicator if the internal battery fails you have no other method to verify power is going to the mouse - amazingly brilliant design - not.
Another important factor about the mouse is Apple don't say what optical engine it uses - all kept hush hush as the original would not work on certain surfaces with a patter. See Apple like to withhold information.
As for the keyboard with the 1mm movement, this is also stupid. As a touch typer less key travel means not being able to type as efficiently, as it reduces how tactile a key press is which also affects your speed. Its like typing on concrete. Another fine example of form over function. Whereas the previous aluminium keyboards including the version with the number pad were fine, and the previous wireless one. I guaranteed Apple have not fixed the issue of the keys on the keyboard starting to "shine" (literally) due to their poor quality plastic. This means a keyboard protector has to be used constantly to prevent this. Again going backwards.
As a few people have mentioned, all these new devices have Bluetooth 3 chips, not Bluetooth 4. So new hardware with and older BT controller - does anyone else see the pattern nm here?
I'm sorry but unlike cellphones, these devices, keyboard, mice and trackpad lasts for a very very long time. Its mechanism isn't complex and will surely outlive its Li-ion batteries. I'd stick with the old trackpad and keyboard. Sanyo Eneloop works well for me, been using it for almost two years without any hiccups. When the batteries have gone low, I pop in AA Energizer batteries during the charging gap.
One more thing, Li-ion batteries can get swollen as time goes on, which could pop open your device like what happened to my iPhone's screen.
One more thing, Li-ion batteries can get swollen as time goes on, which could pop open your device like what happened to my iPhone's screen.
there are reports on reddit of the trackpad working on older macs, both wired and wirelessly
Built in fixed rechargeable battery is the worst thing for a keyboard and mouse.
they will eventually degrade and won't hold charge,so user will be forced to buy a whole new keyboard/mouse.
unlike phones that will go obsolete after 2 years,people should not have to replace a keyboard and mouse after 2 years.
AA batteries were the best,easily replaceable..and you had both rechargable and disposable option.
I think the only real reason Apple switched to fixed battery is to make more profit by forcing people purchase additional keyboards and mice..definitely an anti consumer move..
I'm really starting to loose interest in Apple..so many disappointing things recently:
useless,incomplete and un-attractively designed Watch with rubber bands and ridiculously over priced steel bands as extra..
underpowered super limited Macbook..instead of a Macbook Air with high quality screen that everyone wanted..
increased price of Macs..
slow ancient hard-drives in latest iMacs instead of fusion drives..
super over priced 2-pieces case + cover for iPad Mini 4 instead of smart case..
and now this stupid redesign of keyboard and mouse..
they will eventually degrade and won't hold charge,so user will be forced to buy a whole new keyboard/mouse.
unlike phones that will go obsolete after 2 years,people should not have to replace a keyboard and mouse after 2 years.
AA batteries were the best,easily replaceable..and you had both rechargable and disposable option.
I think the only real reason Apple switched to fixed battery is to make more profit by forcing people purchase additional keyboards and mice..definitely an anti consumer move..
I'm really starting to loose interest in Apple..so many disappointing things recently:
useless,incomplete and un-attractively designed Watch with rubber bands and ridiculously over priced steel bands as extra..
underpowered super limited Macbook..instead of a Macbook Air with high quality screen that everyone wanted..
increased price of Macs..
slow ancient hard-drives in latest iMacs instead of fusion drives..
super over priced 2-pieces case + cover for iPad Mini 4 instead of smart case..
and now this stupid redesign of keyboard and mouse..
so like others here I'm confused why the trackpad has a Bluetooth 4.0-enabled Mac computer requirement but it has the same BT chip as the mouse and keyboard and those don't have the 4.0 requirement.
one good thing about making the mouse bigger u can afford to fit a huge battery in for more juice...
(Apple sure likes that adhesive) They use the stuff everywhere looks like where screws aren't.
An all-in-one design housing would of been good...
Easy to repair, just snaps right off... no screws, glue of anything else to worry about.
Would make us all happy, particularly the ones trying to get in
(Apple sure likes that adhesive) They use the stuff everywhere looks like where screws aren't.
An all-in-one design housing would of been good...
Easy to repair, just snaps right off... no screws, glue of anything else to worry about.
Would make us all happy, particularly the ones trying to get in
Whens the next version coming out?
Magic Trackpad - PERFECT
Keyboard - Needs backlight still
Mouse - Terrible position of lightning port.
Magic Trackpad - PERFECT
Keyboard - Needs backlight still
Mouse - Terrible position of lightning port.
my eneloop are much lower voltage. wouldn't a 3.6 AA burn out most devices you put them in that expect much lower voltage?
If you use the magic mouse for more than a days of work. You probably don't need this mouse because there are other better mouse for working all day. I admit it I like the look of this mouse but they're not very comfortable to use for a long period of time.
