iLife '05 and iWork '05

[Earendil]

I noticed some users were complaining about the retail price for iLife '05. I am not rich by any means, but I can't really understand this. After all nobody's life depends on purchasing/owning this software. Well, at least I would assume that.

So, if you really want the new iLife, then you'll find the money so that you can buy this -obviously- super important package. I try to look beyond the actual price and appreciate the added value it offers. I believe that for this price, you get excellent value.

Nobody seems to complain about Pages/Keynote. I purchased Keynote for the regular price a year ago. I don't feel bummed out that it is now offered for roughly half the price.

I'm looking forward to seeing more complaints, though! So keep 'em coming!

People People People, you misunderstand me (repeatedly ).
I don't complain about the price because I don't believe it it has the value. In fact I stated that I was AGAINST the iLife 0'4 whiners, and even mention that I think that iLife '05 is worth $200. I only show disappointment that the price I expected was not what it was, and that it was in fact twice that, putting it beyond what I can afford. Like I said, I have $90 to my name until I get a summer job. Yes, Setting aside a dollar a day for two months would be a great idea, unfortunately without any incoming money, that would leave me with $1.80 a week for the rest of the school year. Lundry almost cost that much

Anyway, I'd rather not try to explain myself to yet another person that can't read my posts, so if someone feels the need to take some time and misinterpret what I write again, don't expect me to reply.

If by chance someone with an actual income enters this forum complaining about the VALUE of iLife '05, expect me to be the first to rip him limb from limb

~Tyler

 

[oingoboingo]

I noticed some users were complaining about the retail price for iLife '05. I am not rich by any means, but I can't really understand this. After all nobody's life depends on purchasing/owning this software. Well, at least I would assume that.

So, if you really want the new iLife, then you'll find the money so that you can buy this -obviously- super important package. I try to look beyond the actual price and appreciate the added value it offers. I believe that for this price, you get excellent value.

Nobody seems to complain about Pages/Keynote. I purchased Keynote for the regular price a year ago. I don't feel bummed out that it is now offered for roughly half the price.

I'm looking forward to seeing more complaints, though! So keep 'em coming!

All the higher price for iLife '05 means is that more copies will be delivered to users via LimeWire and BitTorrent, rather than via Apple's preferred way. No copy protection and no serial numbers...it's going to happen if you raise the price.

For the record, I ordered copies of both iLife '05 and iWork this morning using my educational discount. Very happy about the price drop of Keynote and Pages (as opposed to the increase in iLife '05 cost).

 

[mox358]

Guys just chill a little. I see both points of this "money for iLife" argument and its pointless.

You guys agree on most of this -

iLife is worth the $79 price

it costs more than '04 and the edu discount isn't enough.

Sometimes you just don't have the money to get everything you want, or at least I don't. I want iLife '05 as bad as anybody else, I work at Radioshack 40hours a week and make more than enough money to but iLife several times over. But I also have to figure in bills, food, gasoline for my car, cell phone payment, money for smokes ( not necessary per se, but helpful in keeping me sane). I'm just gonna save up a little here and there extra so I can order iLife when it's financially comfortable for me. For some people its financially comfortable to do it right now, and others have to wait until the summer, and so on. Thats the way it goes. But its not going to do anybody any good to argue over it.

So lets shake hands and call truce... it'll be ok.

 

[mox358]

Back on topic...

I can definitely see iWork going the same route as iLife took. They just made it a package a little bit early. Since iLife was originally released separately for free, it wouldn't have made sense to make them a suite until they they functioned as a team. iWork is being crafted as we go, and marketing wise (with MS office as the closest competitor) the "suite" factor is much more important. I definetly see "Cells" or "Database" added on next year @ MWSF. They will slowly add programs, each time making iWork more functional and refined.

But hell, I paid $99 for Keynote, now I'm getting KN2 and Pages for $79. By the time they get Cells and Database it'll be $39

I'm happy... I'll be ordering iWork as soon as I can.

 

[cgc]

I am also dissapointed in the price. I was ready to buy it because I thought with my student discount, it would be about $30, but turns out, its $60 with my discount, so forget that.

iWorks 05 is $49 with student discount. Just checked.

 

[nspeds]

The bibliography template, and PDF and HTML exporting makes Pages an essential for me.

I would gambol if it offers a bibliography template in MLA format.

 

[Rower_CPU]

I don't know why it isn't expressed more obviously, but Pages exports HTML! This is HUGE. I know tons of less technically (sp?) inclined people who have been looking for an easy way to design a website that wasn't too expensive and they've been waitng for a long time for something like this. I have a friend that I know for certain will buy this once he hears about it.

Awesome.

I'll be happy if its output is standards-compliant or at least something that actually resembles HTML, unlike Word.

 

[macaddictann]

Someone mentioned the need for an upgraded iTunes to run a Shuffle? If I read that right? Erm...how upgraded? I have 4.5, which actually surprises me because I can't swear I've done many updates. (And I'm apparently quite behind on iPhoto, 2.0 versus 5.0.) Do I need 4.7?

I don't have iLife, I just have...stuff. And I don't use it. So I fear I'm a tad clueless. (I don't listen to music on here because of the TV running all the time, and I use my camera's software for downloading pictures and then Photoshop.)

iTunes is the only iLife app I could see using, really, and that's when I get an iPod. (OK, I'm sick of typing "i.") As for iWork (kill me, LOL, and hey, it's like a sentence)...what advantages does it offer over Office besides not being Office, if you follow, with Office's inherent glitches and the like?

 

[Zaty]

iDVD 5 now supports disk images! Hence the higher price

To all of you who wondered why Apple raised the price of iLife, I can tell you why. iDVD 5 now officially supports the creation of disk images that means that iDVD can encode DVDs on a Mac without SuperDrive. As you probably now, Apple has to pay royalties for the MPEG2 encoder. Until iDVD 4 those royalties were added to the price of a SuperDrive and was not included in the price of iLife. Apparently, Apple has changed that and levies those royalties with the purchase of the software. The only question, if iDVD 5 also supports burning to an external DVD burner. There's no information about this. Since iDVD 4 already that capability which could be unlocked with an easter egg, I wouldn't be surprised if iDVD could burn directly to external or third part drives.

 

[Digipimp]

if you're going to be in the software biz then you need to offer up upgrades to all of the people that are using and supporting your product, every other software company does it.

and while we're at it steveo mentioned that iphoto supports video but he didn't and the website doesn't say what formats. is it only mpeg-4, mp4, .mov. mpeg or what exactly. i don't think it would make sense for it to only support 1 format, but he didn't really talk about it much. it would be nice if iphoto could do what that handy little ivideo app is doing. then i might really have a use for it.

 

[JFreak]

A replacement for Excel was what I was hoping for.

why? excel is a great app, even if it says "microsoft" on the box. it's the best app they make and doesn't need to be replaced. if you need it, just use it.

 

[JFreak]

I would eagerly stop using bloated, buggy MS Office if iWorks contained a spreadsheet, but, now I've got to stick with Excel, so, no point in not using Word. I could care less about Powerpoint/Keynote, but, I really was hoping iWorks had a spreadsheet.

stop whining. excel is a great app. word and powerpoint are not. that's why apple has the iwork suite, to replace the sucky ones.

the point in not using word is making your life easier. word just sucks. i might buy iwork just to replace word if it makes me less angry.

now there's zero reason for upgrading my v.X office suite to the new one. if i need to, i will just buy a new excel standalone. my only gripe is that there is no upgrade path to iwork suite for keynote1 owners.

 

[Philsy]

So another word processor that's pretending to be a DTP package. Maybe I'm odd, but I use a word processor to do just that - process words. Apple doesn't mention spell check or grammar check - both things that Word does better than the competition. I need to know more about how useful Pages is for writing before I commit to a change.

 

[JFreak]

I was really looking forward to a spreadsheet app but it appears that they are on a path of releasing one part of the suite at a time.

or, maybe, they don't see the point in making a spreadsheet app because there already is excel which is great in what it does. i mean, come on, how much can you simplify a spreadsheet which is used by those of us who can already think? it's a pro app and apple's spreadsheet app should have to be VERY exceptional to compete with excel.

a regular joe doesn't need a spreadsheet app.

 

[JFreak]

Nobody seems to complain about Pages/Keynote. I purchased Keynote for the regular price a year ago. I don't feel bummed out that it is now offered for roughly half the price.

yep, and no upgrade path. anyway, the price is so low i don't want to complain too much. i mean, how much would the keynote1 -> keynote2 upgrade cost? then add some for pages, and it's not far from the price point of the iwork suite. now that i don't upgrade (but buy a new license instead) i can donate my old keynote1 for someone that i see is in need.

 

[JFreak]

So another word processor that's pretending to be a DTP package. Maybe I'm odd, but I use a word processor to do just that - process words. Apple doesn't mention spell check or grammar check - both things that Word does better than the competition. I need to know more about how useful Pages is for writing before I commit to a change.

i think it's not pretending to be indesign at all. it's rather a "ms works in apple style". it's only a positive thing that apple has not included spell/grammar check or any other totally useless features, but only a basic word processing app with templates (for the regular joes).

i might enjoy this "word lite"-ness because i publish my documents with indesign anyway, but composing text with textedit.app feels rather cheap. if it feels nicer composing text with pages, i'll buy that

 

[paleobiology]

iWorks is not supposed to be a MS Office replacement

To all those who wanted a spreadsheet:

I actually think it is a smart plan on Apple's part to not try to kill of MS Office; if the want people to switch to Macs, they have to let people have something familiar to jump to, and NOBODY is going to switch if the hegemon that is Office is not there. People can live without PC games; people can live without Windows' interface (or lack thereof), but they can't live without the security of knowing that there is an MS office version on Macs. M$ could kill a lot of switching of non-technical users by discontinuing Office like it discontinued the (admittedly terrible) IE for Mac. While I can't stand M$, and would like an Apple (or native Open Office) suite, MS office is necessary for Apple. Its also not a bad set of apps. Once the market share get better, maybe an Office replacement will be possible, and then all traces of Redmond, WA will be gone from my computer.

 

[GregA]

i think it's not pretending to be indesign at all. it's rather a "ms works in apple style". it's only a positive thing that apple has not included spell/grammar check or any other totally useless features, but only a basic word processing app with templates (for the regular joes).

Isn't spell check built into the system? Anyway, you may find it useless, others may not.

My girlfriend is a graphic designer and continually has problems with people submitting documents to her in MS Publisher, and occassionally MS Word. Positioning on the page alters with every machine that opens the file.

Although Pages may not replace indesign, it may be aimed at Publisher. MS doesn't even offer Publisher for the Mac. Personally, I don't work in the industry and am not sure why MS has Word and Publisher (and Frontpage) doing very similar jobs.... I'll have to ask my girlfriend.

I'm eager to try Pages. I want to try before I buy though.

 

[oldpismo]

A newbie question, I know… but is there any reason to wait for Tiger before purchasing these new programs?

I'd just like to reiterate this question as I didn't see an answer, and it's one I would like to know the answer to as well.

 

[Bern]

I think the prices are fine. In fact I just bought both

It's about time Apple updated their word (pages) application and just the update to iPhoto alone is worth it.

I bought an iPod Shuffle 1gig too

 

[JFreak]

Its also not a bad set of apps.

no. it's just a good set of bad apps (word,entourage,powerpoint,messenger) around one good app (excel).

 

[Sagedaddy]

iLife '04 Proof of Purchase coupons

Hello All,
This is my virgin post on MacRumors:Forums.

I received my iMac in December with iLife '04 preinstalled and with Apple software proof-of-purchace coupons for both iLife '04 and OS X 10.3.

Does this suggest to anybody a future upgrade path for recent hardware purchasers?

 

[Sir_Giggles]

I got iLife 04 for Christmas, and I just registered it like two weeks ago. Now I have to pay full price for an upgrade? Man that's annoying.

And wtf, no Powerbook updates AT ALL?

Bound to happen I suppose. Did you get it as a gift?

 

[Omad0n]

I understand the whole cikekge bit and being poor, thoug hI now havea job and go to school, in my final year woohoo!, but back when I didn't have a job, freshman year as you seem to be in, I would donate plasma to earn an extra $20 which I could do twice a week. Only took a couple hours, and I could study during that time too. Also, you can look for little things like helping out old ladies do yard work, I hunted around for that and found some pretty sweet weekend deals, which if you must, you could havea friend get you to. In a way I sympathize because being poor and a college student goes hand in hand, but on the other hand, there are ways of making some extra money, you jsut have to try harder.

You dont have $60.00??

I bet you spend more than that on a "College Night Out"



Read my post again, I'm in College.
College for me means keeping a 3.5 GPA, which as a CS major without a car means that atm no job. My money comes when I go home and sign my life away to the DNR for the summer. Summer checks are written to college tuition, so as to keep poans as low and as few as possible. I entered college with $250 to my name, and still have $90 left for the rest of the year. I'm feeling pretty good about only spending THAT much. Now maybe you see a difference between $30 and $60

My room, food, and internet are paid for. No girl friend, and no car, and I don't drink, so my "college nights out" aren't too often, and don't cost anything.
We all make choices, I know, those are mine. But now you understand how I can be "dirt poor" until summer, and yet still have a place to live, and internet access.

~Tyler

 

[Philsy]

i think it's not pretending to be indesign at all. it's rather a "ms works in apple style". it's only a positive thing that apple has not included spell/grammar check or any other totally useless features, but only a basic word processing app with templates (for the regular joes).

i might enjoy this "word lite"-ness because i publish my documents with indesign anyway, but composing text with textedit.app feels rather cheap. if it feels nicer composing text with pages, i'll buy that

Like you, I 'compose text' with (in my case Word) and then export it to a DTP package (sadly, Quark) so I don't need the facility to format and lay out the text in Pages.

However, I don't agree that a spell/grammar check is useless. Far from it, my typing is far from perfect and to have the computer pick up silly typos is essential. The Word grammar checker is useful, too, if you use it intelligently.

I'm going to wait for feedback from other users before committing to Pages.