iLife - Last Minute Reconsideration?

[iAlan]

What about DVD Studio Pro?

I am looking forward to my free downloads of the iApps. It wouldn't surprise me if Apple were concidering charging forhte iApps. I am sure they have thought about (in the past too) and may have 'leaked' the idea to see how it would play out.

Good decision not to charge, as the iApps are a key selling point for 'Switchers'

What I want to know is, why are the DVD SP users being left behind? It would be great if you could incorporate the iDVD themes into DVD SP. I really liked the 'picure in picture' and 'movie curtain' themes Steve demo'd.

 

[TheInevitable]

Sorry for bringing back up the off-topic topic of .mac, but....

I think that .mac would have a greater value if they included an ISP. I would pay $240 a year (thats $20 per month payed monthly for a year) for that, especially since its money I got to spend anyway, why not spend it with Apple.

 

[greenaa]

iphoto2/imovie3 compatibility with osx.1

reply to BEAR -

so are you saying that iphoto2/imovie3 are definitely not compatible with osx.1? can anyone else give feedback on this?

thanks

aaron

 

[terevos]

We already knew this - this is not new news!!

Hey guys.. umm.. this doesn't seem like news to me. Macslash had reported this the day of the keynote.

"And, of course, the price. This new suite of iMedia iApps, now called iLife will retail at $49 and will be available on Saturday January 25. It will bundled with all new Macs. In addition, you can download iTunes 3, iPhoto 2 and iMovie 3 for free."

So I don't see why this is a rumor, nor why people think this is something new. This was reported since their initial announcement of the iLife product line.

 

[Tue12]

You guys are WAY WAY WAY WRONG about iMovie.

iMovie 2 WAS FREE for early adopters of OSX. It was available for download when 10.0.0 was released. I know. I downloaded a copy.

Should Apple charge for the iApps. Yup, I'm all for it, once they stop price gauging their customers for obsolete hardware -ie, the entire hardware lineup*.

*Plz don't argue me on this.

 

[Billicus]

Re: iphoto2/imovie3 compatibility with osx.1

Originally posted by greenaa
reply to BEAR -

so are you saying that iphoto2/imovie3 are definitely not compatible with osx.1? can anyone else give feedback on this?

thanks

aaron

YES! 10.2 is the future, so get off the bandwagon of 10.1 and joing the future.

 

[LethalWolfe]

Re: Re: iphoto2/imovie3 compatibility with osx.1

Originally posted by Billicus


YES! 10.2 is the future, so get off the bandwagon of 10.1 and joing the future.

As soon as Apple releases a version of 10.2 that doesn't have a tendency to crash FCP I'll consider switching from 10.1.


Lethal

 

[h'biki]

FCP under 10.2

FCP 3.0.4 under 10.2.3 is probably the most stable version fo FCP I've used. And I've been using it since 1.0. Beats FCP under 10.1 too.

10.2 is still beta, as far as I'm concerned, but its very good beta. 10.1 wasn't.

All we need now is DVDSP2 based on Spruce (with timeline editing) and I'll be a happy little digital media guy.

 

[bretm]

Re: Re: Re: Nice crystal balls boys....

Originally posted by jayscheuerle


I did realize (that's why I dropped it ).

&

Not enough to justifying spending an additional $100 (or even $50, though $25 might have swayed me ). Value is in the eye of the beholder and is often determined by how much extra money you have to play with. I guess I just have a lot better things to do with $50!

Didn't you say you're paying 16.95 a month for your ISP? They can be had for cheaper than that. Generally $10 a month. So say that extra $7 a month is basically supporting the extra services you're gettng. Multiply that by 12 months and you're paying $84 a year for something that isn't integrated into the OS, has 1/10th the space, doesn't integrate into any of your apps, doesn't sync or backup your important data, etc.

And 100mb of web space is actually pretty small these days with a few photos to share. When you start placing 100k photo images on the web with thumbnails, maybe some qt movies, etc. you can fill a site pretty quick with a couple vacations and a video or two.

 

[drastik]

here is something interesting aout iLife. Now, if I go and buy a superdrive (A04, the one apple uses) and slap it into my old sawtooth tower, I can use iDVD. Previously you had to have a superdrive that came installed to qualify to get the program.

 

[lmalave]

Re: Nice crystal balls boys....

Originally posted by jayscheuerle
It's a shame Steve and co. didn't get as much insight concerning .Mac.

My service provider, AT&T Worldnet, gives me an online calendar(with email alerts), online address book, webmail, 5 email accounts and 10MB for my website as part of my $16.95/month (150 hrs) plan. Everything works.

I know that sounds like an advertisement, but what is Apple giving me for $100 more? I'd bet that the discount price of $50 (still overpriced in my book) is going to become the standard price next year.

At least they're learning..... - j

Well, they give you iDisk. Keep in mind that the largest player in that market, XDrive, charges $5/month for 100MB storage. So there's $60 of value right there that .Mac is providing you.

 

[JBracy]

Do your research!

From the iLife pre-Order page:
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?productLearnMore=M9063Z/A

System Requirements
Macintosh computer with PowerPC G3 or G4 processor.
256MB of physical RAM.
Mac OS X v10.1.5 or later (Mac OS X v10.2.2 or later recommended).
2GB disk space required to install iTunes, iPhoto, iMovie, and iDVD (Apple SuperDrive required for iDVD) or 250MB disk space to install iTunes, iPhoto, and iMovie only.

Note 2 items:
1) OSX 10.1.5
2) Apple SuperDrive required for iDVD

 

[Floop]

I can believe this - but Steve Jobs is cunning, and here is why.

I really want iMovie 3, iDVD 3, and to a lesser extent, iPhoto 2 and iTunes 3.

If Apple had made me pay $50 to get them, I would have been annoyed.

However, they are giving iMovie 3, iPhoto 2 and iTunes 3 away for free.

They are charging $50 for iDVD 3 - because the size of it necessitates it to be provided on CDs.

I will pay $50 to get iDVD 3.

Do you see what I'm saying here? I'm still going to pay $50, and I'm going to end up with exactly the same software, but I don't feel ripped off, as mentally I got three software items free, and I paid a reasonable amount for the fourth.

This is very clever on Apple's part. I don't feel ripped off, instead I feel like I'm getting a good deal. It's a way better strategy than telling everyone they have to pay, if they want to use the iApps. Cunning as hell!


Floop

 

[drastik]

Re: Do your research!

Originally posted by JBracy

2) Apple SuperDrive required for iDVD

Yes, but the apple superdrive is the Pioneer A04 (new ones may be A05). You can buy these seperately and install them yourself.

 

[JBracy]

Re: Re: Do your research!

Originally posted by drastik


Yes, but the apple superdrive is the Pioneer A04 (new ones may be A05). You can buy these seperately and install them yourself.

Yes it is the same mechanism. However, it has different firmware which iDVD checks on launch. If it doesn't see the Apple FirmWare then it quits with a message that it can't find the correct hardware. At least that's what happens with the current iDVD. Maybe they've changed it with version 3, but no one outside of Apple will know until it ships.

 

[gbojim]

For what it's worth I was talking to my Apple rep this morning, and having seen this thread before hand, I asked her what was up with packaging and charging for iLife.

She said that some info that was to be announced at the keynote was leaked ahead of time, misinterpreted and then reported incorrectly. It was always intended that the only iApp that would be paid for was iDVD. The other iApps would be free and downloadable as they have been in the past. But Apple is planning to make a big marketing push with "iLife", so all of the iApps get bundled together on CD and labeled iLife so there would be something physical associated with it. From what she told me, this decision was made months ago.

 

[jayscheuerle]

bretm and lmalave

Are you guys hooked up with broadband? Even 10MB of space tests my patience on a dial-up.

I like your argument about my spending an extra $7/mon compared to the cheapie ISPs, bretm. I've always been under the impression that these are less reliable and more likely to fold than a big player, but of course if .Mac carries your mail, you won't need to worry about address changes... The fact that .Mac charged for additional email addresses (for my family) also added to the cost... I'm not impressed with the integration yet, though I did use my iDisk every once in a while before I dropped the service. For transferring files, one of those usb keychain foibles with 128megs would be the best trick... I've never had to worry about Virus's before & I've taken care of my own back-ups for years...

What reliable $10/mon ISPs do you know of? If Apple keeps the $50 price or adds features that I truly consider valuable, maybe I'd go that route and pocket the extra $34 for a few pints. My old .mac email address is still mine (for life), right?

 

[jayscheuerle]

Re: Re: Re: Do your research!

Originally posted by JBracy


Yes it is the same mechanism. However, it has different firmware which iDVD checks on launch. If it doesn't see the Apple FirmWare then it quits with a message that it can't find the correct hardware. At least that's what happens with the current iDVD. Maybe they've changed it with version 3, but no one outside of Apple will know until it ships.

I'm not sure of the exact legal reasoning, but DVD burning software requires some sort of encoding liscense that is built into the cost of machines with the Superdrive. If you buy 3rd party DVD writing software, the cost is built in. If Apple gave away iDVD, there would be no accounting for this fee.

- At least this is something like I remember reading once!

 

[Hmm]

Keep in mind...

Don't forget that iMovie 3 will be OS X only, unlike iMovie 2. iPhoto has always been OS X only, of course.

By making these attractive and free downloads, Apple not only may inspire Windows users to switch to the Mac, it may inspire OS 9 holdouts to switch to X, something also in the best interests of Apple.

 

[gopher]

Re: Re: Nice crystal balls boys....

Originally posted by clonenode


.mac is QUITE a value. Realize what you get for $99.95:

- a cool "your name@mac.com" email address... web mail available any time, any where

Well yes, but it doesn't let you host your own domain. I can get one that does that for $60 a year

- the 100MB iDisk; on-line storage that mounts on your desktop like a regular disk. Not need to FTP files, just drag and drop photos, movies and web sites

Nice to have integration with Finder, but that same $60 a year provider supports FTP, PHP, SQL, CGI-BIN.

- Back-up: software to back-up your Mac - to your iDisk or CD-R

CD-R is built-in to the Finder. To iDisk? Only if you have broadband. And who has only 100 MB of data to backup anymore? Now if it worked to an external hard disk that would be a value

- Virex: an industry standard virus protection software

When was the last time your Mac had a virus? Since I've worked and owned Macs since 1989 I haven't seen a single one!

- .mac members only support forums

Support? When I write to complain that I didn't get the ability to use free photos because I don't trust using my credit card online to signup for one-click, all I get is a reply, sorry, but you must use one-click to get free photos. Some free photos! First you have to use a credit card, secondly you need to use it through the web which isn't secure, and the people you are purchasing it through you can't speak to in order to verify the order goes through correctly the first time, and you have to hope the one-click isn't accidently overdone so you aren't accidently overcharged. Very nice support.

AND the biggest thing of all: INTEGRATION with the Mac OS. Use iSync to shareyour iCal calendars on the web wth anyone you want. Post a photo album directly out of iPhoto. Build a website with easy to use on-line tools. Soon you will also be able to put your Address Book on-line too, for access from any computer any where.

For some that may be worth the remaining $40. I'm using my iPod to store my addressbook and calendar. And so far, I can't just log in via a web browser to view my calendar, and just get webmail. Oh and webmail has been down 20% of the past two weeks. Plus webmail does not let me set my own reply-to address separate of my .Mac address. The photo on the website feature only works on certain web browsers. Many people still use Netscape 4.7.

Free services from your ISP pale in comparison.

For now the $50 I spent the first year is fine. But I don't think I'll spend $100 next year unless it is seriously boosted to have better online performance.

 

[Blackcat]

Originally posted by Tue12
You guys are WAY WAY WAY WRONG about iMovie.

iMovie 2 WAS FREE for early adopters of OSX. It was available for download when 10.0.0 was released. I know. I downloaded a copy.

Not quite...

iMovie2 was released for 9.0 as a $49 upgrade/purchase quite a while before 10.0 was released. Once MacOS X became "non beta" (in Apples opinion) they included it for X.

I was a bit miffed, but these things happen!

As for charging for iApps, the $49 seems okay, especially as iDVD costs Apple money for the MPEG2 encoder.

 

[rugby]

Re: FCP under 10.2

Originally posted by h'biki
10.2 is still beta, as far as I'm concerned, but its very good beta. 10.1 wasn't.

I think some people have certain phrases stuck in their heads they can't get rid of. Repeat after me, "OS X isn't beta anymore". It feels good, trust me.

 

[Blackcat]

Re: Re: Re: Do your research!

Originally posted by JBracy


Yes it is the same mechanism. However, it has different firmware which iDVD checks on launch. If it doesn't see the Apple FirmWare then it quits with a message that it can't find the correct hardware. At least that's what happens with the current iDVD. Maybe they've changed it with version 3, but no one outside of Apple will know until it ships.

I know people who've added an AO3 or AO4 internally and it just works with iDVD, but it refuses with external drives regardless of model.

Now anybody can buy iDVD it really ought to work on externals too. It's not like built-in DVD-R is a selling point now like it was in 2001.

 

[JBracy]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Do your research!

Originally posted by Blackcat


I know people who've added an AO3 or AO4 internally and it just works with iDVD, but it refuses with external drives regardless of model.

Now anybody can buy iDVD it really ought to work on externals too. It's not like built-in DVD-R is a selling point now like it was in 2001.

I know people who have bought internal A03/A04's on the advise of forums like this saying it will work and it doesn't.

 

[bdkennedy1]

Too many upgrades.

I sent them an e-mail a couple days before MWSF and told them I was lucky I was even able to afford a Mac and that it seemed all I was doing last year was forking out money to keep upgrading everything (Jaguar, .Mac). I told them if they start charging for the iApps, I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to keep using my Mac, since the iApps were made to be part of the OS and one of the reasons I switched.