iLife Updates (iTunes, iMovie, iPhoto, iDVD, New App)

[galactusofmyth]

Originally posted by QCassidy352
ah, it's funny that you were posting this just as I posted my last message. It doesn't matter if the bitching is justified. Suddenly charging for formerly free software pisses people off. And pissed off customers are customers who aren't going to buy from you again. And that's a problem for apple. "Justified" and "reasonable" have nothing to do with it.

It seems to me the simplest answer to the complaints about the price of iLife is, if custormers don't see $49 of value, they don't have to buy it. The previous versions work well (why are people suddenly acting like they are stuck with these dog applications, lol) so it should be ok to stick with those. For myself, I liked them. I made so many videos, photo slide shows, ordered a couple of bound books and organized music compilations over the holidays. The introduction of iLife '04 didn't make my current iApps any worse. But I also see benefits to iLife '04, so I bought it.

As always, you can use your dollars to vote on the value of iLife '04 to you. For me, $49 for iPhoto and iMovie alone would have been worth it.

 

[johnnyjibbs]

However good value it is, people don't like it when a company starts charging for software that was free.

It's also about price comparisons.

e.g. iPod mini looks good value next to crappy 256MB MP3 player but bad value next to regular iPods.

iLife '04 looks good value next to a lot of other apps (considering what you get) but bad value to someone wanting iPhoto upgrade that was previously free.

Personally I have no problems because they will all be useful to me. I would pay double just for GarageBand and iDVD. What people don't like is when Apple starts charging (however little) for something that was free.

What Apple should have done was offered iPhoto and iMovie (or each one separately) for $20 separately, alongside the iLife $49 package. Then they could have got round it by saying it was a "shipping and handling fee" 😉

 

[dgdosen]

I've tried to play with Garageband on my iBook G3 900Mhz, with 648 GB ram and it sucks! I'm sure one reason Apple released this was to encourage early obsolesence.

I can only lay three tracks to a song, and after that, a "Your system sucks please buy a G5"

How is this running on a Powerbook G4? Is anyone having problems?

 

[johnnyjibbs]

Now we know why iBooks went G4...

But you'd think Apple would support 3 month old computers decently! Tusk.

EDIT: I'd tell you how GarageBand fairs on a PowerBook G4 if they would just hurry up and ship it to me! 😀 🙄

 

[iMan]

Originally posted by louden
I'm sure one reason Apple released this was to encourage early obsolesence.

Still waiting for my iLife to reach my PB G4... not released here in Norway until february (now THAT sucks 😉

Before harrassing Apple for the demand of hardware to use GB, please also remember that it is already 6 months since G5 got loose... which means that most should think that G3 was kind of obsolete already then...

I would be rather put off if all software for my upcoming dual G5 should be able to run on a G3 also - why would I then want the G5 in the first place?

I suppose a lot of people were feeling bad for not being able to use iPhoto on their OS9 boxes also (I was 🙂

 

[johnnyjibbs]

Originally posted by iMan
Still waiting for my iLife to reach my PB G4... not released here in Norway until february (now THAT sucks 😉

Before harrassing Apple for the demand of hardware to use GB, please also remember that it is already 6 months since G5 got loose... which means that most should think that G3 was kind of obsolete already then...

I would be rather put off if all software for my upcoming dual G5 should be able to run on a G3 also - why would I then want the G5 in the first place?

I suppose a lot of people were feeling bad for not being able to use iPhoto on their OS9 boxes also (I was 🙂

But GarageBand is a consumer app. The idea is that it enables any old joe to make music on their iBook. iBooks were being sold with G3 processors up until October. Few people (consumers) can afford G5s.

 

[iMan]

Originally posted by johnnyjibbs
But GarageBand is a consumer app. The idea is that it enables any old joe to make music on their iBook. iBooks were being sold with G3 processors up until October. Few people (consumers) can afford G5s. [

I partly agree with you - and understand the frustration - but I am still of the opinion that the G3 iBook's were long overdue rather than GB being to demanding. Remember iMacs have been on G4 for a while - and are supposedly coming to G5 this year...
Also remember that the way GB apparently works is extremely hard on processor power - up to now hardly any pro-apps have had all the same features this one does in one box (the loops, soft-synths,amps, ability to simultanously record live music etc.). I suspect there would be no GB anywere nearly interesting to work with if they made it flow on G3s also - I am sorry to say, but G3 IS pretty old stuff now... 😱

 

[johnnyjibbs]

True, but it sounds like Apple has not tried very hard to optimise the code. I have a great consumer music app which I used on my P3 500MHz PC (5 years old nearly) with Windows 98 and that computer could handle many simaltaneous tracks with real-time effects and the like.

My copy of GarageBand hasn't arrived yet so I can't test it out for myself, but I hope it is not as slow as the other apps (again can't comment yet on '04 versions). For example, why can my computer handle Final Cut Express far eaiser than it can handle iMovie? It should be as simple and hassle-free for consumers as possible.

 

[dgdosen]

GarageBand

Does anyone else have problems running this on a G3 900?

How is this running on a G4? How many tracks can you add to a song before your mac starts to choke?

 

[wombat2]

My G4 450 tower chokes after three tracks.

 

[johnnyjibbs]

Well, iLife '04 arrived before its target shipping date and now I've had a chance to test out GarageBand on my 1GHz G4 PB.

I have to say that it works well so far with no problems. I haven't done that many tracks (up to 6-8) - a mixture of software and real instrument tracks with numerous effects and it's coping well.

In fact, the whole interface is pretty snappy - better than I was expecting. I'm also pleased that I didn't have to spend any cash on a pre-amp for my guitar - the line in on my Mac works perfectly 🙂.

 

[numediaman]

I don't know if this is the right place for this post, but . . .

In preparation for buying a G5 I've reading the forums for iMovie and iDVD on the Apple site. My impression is that iDVD just does not work on the G5 (which I find remarkable).

Most people are finding that their burn times are longer -- except G5 people, who find that they can not burn at all using the new iDVD. This sucks.

I already have a copy of Toast that I'm sure will work, but I was hoping the new iLife would be an upgrade, not a bust.

How about the G5 owners here? What are you finding?

EDIT: There seems to be a huge disconnect between the new software Apple is introducing and the ability of Apple computers to run that software. If you really want to run GarageBand, or edit video, or burn DVDs you are going to need some real horsepower. A G3 or G4 won't cut it.

 

[jbeetz]

Originally posted by numediaman
Most people are finding that their burn times are longer -- except G5 people, who find that they can not burn at all using the new iDVD. This sucks.

yikes. I just finished a large project using DVD studio 2 on a dual G5 and it went flawlessly.......... can't stand that music when iDVD launches!

Haven't tried iDVD to burn, but have toyed with the app itselc and didn't have problems.😕

 

[johnnyjibbs]

I find iDVD4 to be a lot slower in general than iDVD3 was. I guess some of the new themes like Reveal are quite processor-intensive with motion turned on but even the old themes seem faster. And there is a long pause between pressing the preview button and actually seeing the preview. 🙁

Haven't burnt anything yet though. I expect burn times to take at least twice as long because Apple sent me 4x DVD-Rs instead of the (now discontinued) 2x DVD-Rs that I ordered for my PowerBook 😡