Jrshelby
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And if apple charges 1600 for a non mini led 27” 5K display could only imagine what the asking price would be if they did offer mini led and pro motion 27” and above display. ?
I'm genuinely surprised by the negative reviews of the Studio Display
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Unregistered 4U
macrumors G4
That, for me, is most curious. That someone, who already finds 1600 too much to pay would find a more expensive monitor perfectly fine if it only included technologies and features that aren’t even available in 5k at ANY price.
Jrshelby
macrumors regular
Well I would not pay 2500-3000 for HDR and 120. and the ASD display will play HDR content on YouTube where as the 5K iMacs are locked out. And it looks gloriou. I love the ASD it’s the 5 K iMac display panel only better. The extra 100 bits is great. The MacBook Pro only goes to 500 bits when not displaying HDR. I like my trade off there over not having promotion.That, for me, is most curious. That someone, who already finds 1600 too much to pay would find a more expensive monitor perfectly fine if it only included technologies and features that aren’t even available in 5k at ANY price.
haruhiko
macrumors 604
To be fair, it can display "HDR" content on YouTube but when you compare it with the MacBook Pro 2021 XDR screen or even the 2021 iPad Pro, the difference is huge true blacks and eye-blinding 1000+ nits peak brightness is nuts. I wish Apple put mini LED in the Studio Display but it seems that we still need to wait some time for the tech to be more affordable at Apple's current price range.
haruhiko
macrumors 604
I don't know where the 'thunderbolt limitation' theory came from, once I heard it I thought about the 6K Pro Display XDR. It's the cost vs. Apple's asking price vs. Apple's margin.
In another post there is a Lenovo Creator Extreme monitor which is 27 inch, 4K, mini LED, P3, etc. the asking price is north of USD2,600.
Jrshelby
macrumors regular
No doubt about the HDR but my point is 85+ of my content is SDR so the extra 100 nots is awesome. I do realize there is a company that can unlock the MBP to do up to 1000 SDR. Here is a link to the app that can double the MPB’s 500 nit’s to 1000.
'Vivid' doubles usable display brightness of the new MacBook Pro and Pro Display XDR - 9to5Mac
Vivid for macOS doubles the usable display brightness of your 2021 MacBook Pro or 2019 Pro Display XDR. Here's how it works.
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Didn’t the apple.com screen capture from above clearly state DSC implementation in the XDR Pro Display?
This is not indicative if a 5k 120Hz display is in the works, but at least this shows one Apple product already uses DSC.
Jrshelby
macrumors regular
This all started when you question why my post said apple could not possibly do 120 hrz without direct communication with the built in display controller. Not gonna go around and around.
Jrshelby
macrumors regular
go Back and read my forst or second post of today. I was challenged on exactly that point and the challenger stated apple could do 120 Hertz based on DSC. It got convoluted and twisted by said challenger along the way.
I see. Well frankly I was also of the impression that Thunderbolt 4 being capped at 40Gbps would never be able to pass 5k120Hz until like last week. A few years ago this was true, but the appearance of DSC spec and further Apple’s implemntation on the XDR Pro Display proved otherwise.
Jrshelby
macrumors regular
It implies it is capable if the GPU requirements are meet. Another post right after says it is not built into apples GPUS just states it’s a requirement. Please don’t flame ? me I did not say it. DSC was stated as being a VESA technology. My post was about 120 hertz external panels vs internal panels. There are plenty of 4 K 120 hertz panels that don’t scale well with macOS. The ASD is a great display at 60 hertz. DSC was stated as only doing 5 k 120 hrz and hdr with display port 2.0 anyways. look at my post after my 120 hertz hurtle post and see it was implied the Xdr was could do 120 hertz because of DSC which is absolutely not the case. And when I showed and screen shot of the xdr only capable of 60 hertz max things went on a tangent. ?
turbineseaplane
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Also, the timing controller stuff really isn't a thing or concern here.
Apple could absolutely make a ProMotion external display and I suspect they will before too much longer
Jrshelby
macrumors regular
Agreed. Apple true specialty is they are masters of milking every last dime out of us. The specific release of certain products and features or the withholding of certain products and/features, just so we crave them more. Absolutely brutal, but genius.
Unregistered 4U
macrumors G4
The 6K Pro Display does not run at 120Hz. Only 60Hz and below.
By conjecture can we assume all Macs that are capable to output native 6k60 to the XDR Pro Display must already be DSC capable in its "GPU", thus can have the ability to output 5k120 if such an external panel exists and connects to it via Thunderbolt?
If this is the case all it takes is for Apple to release a product exactly doing this. Ross Young's (sketchy) report on the existent of such a panel also helps in this prospect. Of course this could very well be an iMac Pro 27" but why not both.
If this is the case all it takes is for Apple to release a product exactly doing this. Ross Young's (sketchy) report on the existent of such a panel also helps in this prospect. Of course this could very well be an iMac Pro 27" but why not both.
Cashmonee
macrumors 65832
No doubt about the HDR but my point is 85+ of my content is SDR so the extra 100 nots is awesome. I do realize there is a company that can unlock the MBP to do up to 1000 SDR. Here is a link to the app that can double the MPB’s 500 nit’s to 1000.
'Vivid' doubles usable display brightness of the new MacBook Pro and Pro Display XDR - 9to5Mac
Vivid for macOS doubles the usable display brightness of your 2021 MacBook Pro or 2019 Pro Display XDR. Here's how it works.
Just a head's up, running SDR content at that brightness is going to look pretty terrible. SDR is expecting a certain brightness from a display and is mastered with that in mind. Cranking the brightness will only give you a picture the content creator did not intend along with pain in the eyes and potential damage to a display that is running at twice its intended brightness. I would not advise installing that app, much less paying for the privilege.
**EDIT** The developer claims they are only using Apple's APIs and that Apple says the monitor can run at 1000 nits. So it may be safe, though I would still be hesitant. There is a reason Apple is not running these at 1000 nits. And it still would not produce accurate colors. However, it could be useful if you are in a very bright environment.
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spiderpumpkin
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I probably would have bought one immediately if it had at least one more Thunderbolt port for another computer. Also, a HDMI port to hook up an Apple TV or other HDMI device would have been nice too.
Unregistered 4U
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I haven’t found anything that specifies that, over DisplayPort 1.4, DSC would enable driving 5K at 120Hz with HDR. It looks like DisplayPort 2 could definitely handle it, though, even without DSC.
Most DisplayPort specs (without DSC) talks about 5k 120Hz requiring 52Gbps bandwidth, and the next resolution is 8k. Then DSC/VESA specs almost always only talk about 4k to 8k with nothing in between, in fact due to lossy compression it goes in length on color subsampling instead of image dimensions. Most of these assume a 60Hz and need a table of bandwidth conversion for other refresh rates.
The 6k (6016 x 3384) is already a sort of exotic dimension that no one uses but Apple. I am thinking by now it takes actual engineers to answer questions raised in this thread, but for practicality sake, I just don't think Apple will release any display that not even M1 MacBook Pro can drive for now, would they.
And in an attempt to sway back to the original thread topic, personally I don't think the Studio Display as a product is under-spec, it is just over-price for what it provides (strictly in its display capability). If ProMotion or HDR is going to drive cost way higher or that the tech is not ready, then it should be reserved for the next gen XDR Pro Display (there is a 7k panel rumor I think).
Unregistered 4U
macrumors G4
Which would very likely be why Apple hasn’t purchased any 5K, HDR, 120Hz panels from LG. With the current tech in machines that they are shipping, it isn’t possible.
5K at 120 Hz is possible using DSC. No idea about HDR though.
6K only exists because it is in the “ideal” (215-255) PPI range for macOS at 32”.
No, we can’t. The XDR can also do 6K60 using a dual-link (HBR3) SST via Thunderbolt 3 connection on Macs that don’t support DSC.
Unregistered 4U
macrumors G4
With DisplayPort 2.0 it should be, but I haven’t found anything indicating whether or not Apple supports DisplayPort 2.0.
CalMin
Contributor
It's a frustratingly focused product. Apple took a specific use case and built the display for those customers only. Connecting to multiple devices from different devices (i.e. those with HDMI connections) wasn't part of the planning.
It is not your:
- high refresh rate gaming monitor
- HDR calibrated professional grade video display
- Color accurate DTP/Photoshop monitor
- TV replacement
- all purpose display for connecting to your old Windows PC
- monitor designed to daisy chain to other monitors
- etc.
AFAIK nothing supports DisplayPort 2.0 yet.
turbineseaplane
Contributor
What's annoying is how limited it is, even for that target user base...
All users, even in the target, could benefit enormously from a second input option for instance.